Slingshot Archer

terrorofseas
terrorofseas Posts: 0 Arc User
edited April 2011 in Archer
I want to know if it is worth to invest on using Slingshot weapons? Im thinking on that because i enjoy more PVE than PVP and i feel i could use the benefits of a interval sling more then a bow/xbow... Opinions please?
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  • Elendirah - Sanctuary
    Elendirah - Sanctuary Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I used the Sinister Shooter from 42 to 60, Wind & the Clouds from 69 to 80 and I really loved those weapons. If you have enough Divines Honor you can get both for free.
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  • Chaialyna - Dreamweaver
    Chaialyna - Dreamweaver Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I found the sling highly useful in addition to the bow or crossbow. The Wind & Clouds makes a great grinding weapon into the mid-80s.
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  • Ilyrec - Archosaur
    Ilyrec - Archosaur Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Slingshots have the capability to have the highest dps for an archer.

    They have consistent damage, and work fast. With -int gear you can shoot stuff really quickly b:chuckle In fact, at 100, you can get the famous near 2aps with wind and clouds, demon spark, and all the -int gear ever.

    At level 69 I had wind and clouds + rank 4 -int gear, leading to .8aps, which was fab.
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  • Allynna_ - Dreamweaver
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    While sling shots are great, there's like 2 guarenteed decent ones in the entire game. I suppose a decent G15 Nirvy Sling might be good, but other that that, most slings don't really have decent adds compared to bows/xbows.
  • Yulk - Raging Tide
    Yulk - Raging Tide Posts: 49 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    -int x 3 sling is the best archer weapon
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Yulk - Raging Tide wrote: »
    -int x 3 sling is the best archer weapon

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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Yulk - Raging Tide wrote: »
    -int x 3 sling is the best archer weapon

    SHOO, TROLL.
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    lmao Teach me that skill please. :P
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    SHOO, TROLL.



    lmao Teach me that skill please. :P

    Anytime , i think it will be useful in the future b:pleased
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I just wonder if said troll knows that 3x -int is statistically impossible. :P But then, maybe that's the point.

    I want to see someone with a Nirvana slingshot though. Particularly the Lunar-made one. If I ever was crazy enough to get a Nirvana wep, that would be it.
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I've seen a CV slingshot. It was pretty good, but the stats aren't as great as the CV bow. I'm not sure who's holding that sling now though.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Ilyrec - Archosaur wrote: »
    In fact, at 100, you can get the famous near 2aps with wind and clouds, demon spark, and all the -int gear ever.

    And get laughed for being an idiot.
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And get laughed for being an idiot.

    Don't be so mean, I have one of those slings.

    Although admittedly I never used it...

    2 aps is not very useful. The whole point of having APS with claws/fists is to have permanent spark. A bow autoattacking and claws autoattacking without spark means the bow is better dps.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    2 aps is not very useful. The whole point of having APS with claws/fists is to have permanent spark. A bow autoattacking and claws autoattacking without spark means the bow is better dps.

    Most people don't realize that anything short of perma spark on anything aps related is just plain ****. *Note all the BMs running around 97 mold fists... trying to out damage an r8/r9 archer... and wonder why its not working.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    If archers can get 2aps on something ranged and g15...it would be very good
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Isn't it 2 aps with spark? Which means it's not constant. I don't know, I did hear the slingshot is decent dps but at that point I was already PKing and I wasn't going to PK with a slingshot. I did buy one, as I said, but I never used it because I only refined my bow and the refines meant the dps > slingshot, and I wasn't going to refine two weapons.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    In theory, a sling would always better than a bow with the same average DPS... and a sling with slightly less DPS than a bow could easily make up for that by taking better advantage of aps-boosting methods such as Relentless Courage or demon spark (as well as anything that boosts attack by a set value, such as Quake Shot vs. Dragotennas). Not only that, but the better aps of a sling makes for inherently greater chi gain, reducing the interval between sparks (we're assuming that the person is using ranged weapons and not aps fists for this exercise -_-).

    I used a W&C "just to say I did" along with Vast Land and Windcatcher for the early 90s... the DPS of all three was roughly comparable to each other.
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I seriously doubt wind catcher was anywhere near the other two.

    Interval will make for better dps but the stats on bows are better. How did you measure the dps anyways?

    I'm still not taking slings to PvP, which means they'll never get refined, which means they'll always be worse dps...FOR ME
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I seriously doubt wind catcher was anywhere near the other two.

    Interval will make for better dps but the stats on bows are better. How did you measure the dps anyways?

    I'm still not taking slings to PvP, which means they'll never get refined, which means they'll always be worse dps...FOR ME
    I didn't. :P I'm one of the few posters here that doesn't do the hard math (not because I can't, but because I don't care). I'm speaking generally, based on their performance on standard mobs and bosses alike. Though it's worth noting that W&C was not refined (except maybe to +1, idr) while the other two were +3d.

    I haven't done a solid test with the Windcatcher lately, but it continues to be my utility weapon when the range is helpful. I'm considering replacing it with Soul Crusher at 99, but the unlikelihood of that coming out 2 sockets is the only reason I hesitate with it. But meh, maybe I'll be crazy and merch the ones that come out 1s. Depends on whether I have time to indulge in that experiment after getting my last couple of gear pieces and lv11 skills. XD

    @the blacktext: If you refined the slings, wouldn't they be just as good for PVP? Especially if it's recast Nirvana which gives you some flexibility in the addons. I dunno, I'm struck by the irony in the fact that I'm the one pointing out the "you have no one to blame but yourself" argument here. :P (And I don't even agree with it, but you and I both know that's what half this board would say to me if I said what you said)
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I didn't. :P I'm one of the few posters here that doesn't do the hard math (not because I can't, but because I don't care). I'm speaking generally, based on their performance on standard mobs and bosses alike. Though it's worth noting that W&C was not refined (except maybe to +1, idr) while the other two were +3d.

    I haven't done a solid test with the Windcatcher lately, but it continues to be my utility weapon when the range is helpful. I'm considering replacing it with Soul Crusher at 99, but the unlikelihood of that coming out 2 sockets is the only reason I hesitate with it. But meh, maybe I'll be crazy and merch the ones that come out 1s. Depends on whether I have time to indulge in that experiment after getting my last couple of gear pieces and lv11 skills. XD

    @the blacktext: If you refined the slings, wouldn't they be just as good for PVP? Especially if it's recast Nirvana which gives you some flexibility in the addons. I dunno, I'm struck by the irony in the fact that I'm the one pointing out the "you have no one to blame but yourself" argument here. :P (And I don't even agree with it, but you and I both know that's what half this board would say to me if I said what you said)
    No, in PvP you want the spike damage to bypass charms. That's why crossbows WERE preferable to bows for PvP before the CV bows came in the form of packs, even though their DPS was lower. Also I don't really know what you're talking about with the "no one to blame but myself." I don't really think I'm missing out on anything. There's interval on my bow and it has better dps stats. Perhaps you read into what I said and presumed I meant something I didn't? I honestly don't know where the red text came from or what they refer to.
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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Erm goodluck killing barbs/BMs with a sling. Lack of spike damage kinda sucks, not to mention they're still ugly :P
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Erm goodluck killing barbs/BMs with a sling. Lack of spike damage kinda sucks, not to mention they're still ugly :P

    ....is the biggest reason I don't use them. For everything an archer can do another class can do better...except for one thing which is to look cool and that goes down the drain with a slingshot.


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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Bold/underline for you instead of red text because it's just wrong to change your text color.

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  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    http://pwcalc.com/7a037a8b679be631

    1.54 with 3 spark (25%)

    It should be over 1.6 with quickshots since its 30%


    Unless you get another .05 on sling.. Which i doubt, but i had .05 .05 on my bow once.


    Stats.. Seal is kinda decent.


    Even though i never like to use slingshots, One of my friends had a g15 slingshot and before he quit I used it to try out damage.

    It does hit really fast and damage difference against bow is not really that "High" if you notice.. that you actually hit like 2-3 more hits. That makes up for the damage over time.

    Down part is killing a heavy class, Unless bm has narrow up. It be better using the bow for Spike damage.


    P.S. Slings **** any LA/Robe


    Archers will be op when 5.0 gets nerf to 3.0 ;x
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    KedgeSniper - Lost City wrote: »

    Archers will be op when 5.0 gets nerf to 3.0 ;x

    Considering archers were the preferred dps when permaspark wasn't available I'd say so. However I doubt 5 aps would ever be nerfed.
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  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Considering archers were the preferred dps when permaspark wasn't available I'd say so. However I doubt 5 aps would ever be nerfed.

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  • terrorofseas
    terrorofseas Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I was making some calculations based upon a table some guy provided me to calculate DPS ( i dont know if it is right...but is a something to base upon for now...) in a long run (like killing bosses without 5 APS guys) using the Slingshot will give more benefits because of more hits= more crits, and the Bow/Xbow weapons better for fast killings (like weak mobs)... The calculation i found is:
    Avg DPS = ((Max damage - Min damage)/2) x (1 + crit rate) x Attack speed
  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    terrorofseas wrote: »
    I was making some calculations based upon a table some guy provided me to calculate DPS ( i dont know if it is right...but is a something to base upon for now...) in a long run (like killing bosses without 5 APS guys) using the Slingshot will give more benefits because of more hits= more crits, and the Bow/Xbow weapons better for fast killings (like weak mobs)... The calculation i found is:
    Avg DPS = ((Max damage - Min damage)/2) x (1 + crit rate) x Attack speed
    Dont need math

    Its like comparing Axes and fist

    Fist have lower damage but higher speed, Obviously 5 hits > 1 hit .

    Difference is that when you compare Bow to slingshot

    The damage is not really that big.. Simple fact that full interval = 1.33 with bow and sling = 1.54

    In a long normal shooting session.. The sling will deal more damage. Sling is highly better if you just spam normal hits.

    Bow a bit of spike damage help giving last blow to people with heavy armors.

    Bow also has a superior Stats rank9/nirvana.


    In general Both weapons are good to use.
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