Theory about nerving APS. (I know another one...)
Dragono - Lost City
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So I know these APS-threads are getting on the nervs now but I want to post and discuss a theory of what could happen when PW nerv the aps.
Situation before nerving:
PW get a lot of money from the cash shoppers!
Many other ppl QQ about 5aps.
So my situation when aps is nerved:
1) No aps any longer except with demon spark/skills so you can only have a bit more aps and not so much that the client cant show the animation any longer.
So 5aps isnt the final goal in the game any longer what will the peolple do to be the strongest now?
Look for other ways of getting other strength maybe HP, Evasion, strong Runes(I've never seen anyone using runes) no matter what.
2) So now you will need more time to get these strong Equipment and what do ppl normally do to get these things faster?
They use the cash shop cause thats fast money
3) Arcane classes wont get useless and everyone will still do his job like he should do in a normal balanced game AND PEOPLE MAY SPEND MORE MONEY AT CASH SHOP cause Arcane classes may also spend $ in the game cause the have goal they ant to reach now.
Would be good for PW
But just a theory and sounds a bit confused cuase of my bad english...
DISCUSSION OPEN!!!
P.S: I know would that would end know one cares what a silly little Barb say about 5aps cause he is just envy and the thread is closed after 2 days ^^
Situation before nerving:
PW get a lot of money from the cash shoppers!
Many other ppl QQ about 5aps.
So my situation when aps is nerved:
1) No aps any longer except with demon spark/skills so you can only have a bit more aps and not so much that the client cant show the animation any longer.
So 5aps isnt the final goal in the game any longer what will the peolple do to be the strongest now?
Look for other ways of getting other strength maybe HP, Evasion, strong Runes(I've never seen anyone using runes) no matter what.
2) So now you will need more time to get these strong Equipment and what do ppl normally do to get these things faster?
They use the cash shop cause thats fast money
3) Arcane classes wont get useless and everyone will still do his job like he should do in a normal balanced game AND PEOPLE MAY SPEND MORE MONEY AT CASH SHOP cause Arcane classes may also spend $ in the game cause the have goal they ant to reach now.
Would be good for PW
But just a theory and sounds a bit confused cuase of my bad english...
DISCUSSION OPEN!!!
P.S: I know would that would end know one cares what a silly little Barb say about 5aps cause he is just envy and the thread is closed after 2 days ^^
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Lol yea that might happen if they nerfed aps.
But i doubt it will ever happen.
PW gets too much money from all the 5 aps
And dont listen to all those people that are about to offend you
This is what a forum is for.
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I think how APS will be nerfed is at the next gear tier.
Once rank 10 comes about, I suspect the weapons base damage will deal more damage than todays 5 aps users in a single second. The defense on the armor will be exponenially higher to take 10-20x more damage.
The next tier of Monsters/bosses/instances will deal 10-20x more damage than todays bosses and have the resistances to accomodate for the 5 aps damage per hit rank 10 weapons.
The next tier of gear will have low APS except for classes that have low APS weapons (ie archers bow, barbarians).
The only thing that the next tier doesn't fix is how Overpowered sins are.0 -
angellicdeity wrote: »I think how APS will be nerfed is at the next gear tier.
Once rank 10 comes about, I suspect the weapons base damage will deal more damage than todays 5 aps users in a single second. The defense on the armor will be exponenially higher to take 10-20x more damage.
The next tier of Monsters/bosses/instances will deal 10-20x more damage than todays bosses and have the resistances to accomodate for the 5 aps damage per hit rank 10 weapons.
The next tier of gear will have low APS except for classes that have low APS weapons (ie archers bow, barbarians).
The only thing that the next tier doesn't fix is how Overpowered sins are.
I don't get it. b:surrender0 -
angellicdeity wrote: »I think how APS will be nerfed is at the next gear tier.
Once rank 10 comes about, I suspect the weapons base damage will deal more damage than todays 5 aps users in a single second. The defense on the armor will be exponenially higher to take 10-20x more damage.
The next tier of Monsters/bosses/instances will deal 10-20x more damage than todays bosses and have the resistances to accomodate for the 5 aps damage per hit rank 10 weapons.
The next tier of gear will have low APS except for classes that have low APS weapons (ie archers bow, barbarians).
The only thing that the next tier doesn't fix is how Overpowered sins are.
So...
Those with aps gear won't upgrade. Problem solved.Some people risk to employ me
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Removing bloodpaint is the best way to do it. Now they would need barbs, clerics, charms and maybe venos a bit more.
Mages still won't be wanted that much, but at least it's not as broken./quit.
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angellicdeity wrote: »I think how APS will be nerfed is at the next gear tier.
Once rank 10 comes about, I suspect the weapons base damage will deal more damage than todays 5 aps users in a single second. The defense on the armor will be exponenially higher to take 10-20x more damage.
The next tier of Monsters/bosses/instances will deal 10-20x more damage than todays bosses and have the resistances to accomodate for the 5 aps damage per hit rank 10 weapons.
The next tier of gear will have low APS except for classes that have low APS weapons (ie archers bow, barbarians).
The only thing that the next tier doesn't fix is how Overpowered sins are.
I think he want to say that the next goal after nerving aps would be rank 8/9 or 10 when it comes out maybe some day.
He also wants to say that rank 8/9(10) will be the same problem like aps is now.
So thats the way I understand that ^^
And yes thats true I think one problem makes place for another one.
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well.. increase the cap to 6.0 aps, and my guess, none will QQ about 5.0 aps anymore.
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RouxLouka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Removing bloodpaint is the best way to do it. Now they would need barbs, clerics, charms and maybe venos a bit more.
Mages still won't be wanted that much, but at least it's not as broken.
And then what?
How would a sin be able to kill even a normal quest mob? They're a dex based class, and therefor require LA.
LA has notoriously **** defence's. And trying to survive a melee hit without BP on a sin is akin to running up to a mob as a mage and smacking it with your sword. You can pretty much imagine how that outcome will be.
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RouxLouka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Removing bloodpaint is the best way to do it. Now they would need barbs, clerics, charms and maybe venos a bit more.
Mages still won't be wanted that much, but at least it's not as broken.
Unless of course you don't need bloodpaint to solo most of the instances that you do, like me. I only like BP because it makes things a little easier, but I can still solo a good bit of what I do.Lady_Seolfor - Dreamweaver wrote: »well.. increase the cap to 6.0 aps, and my guess, none will QQ about 5.0 aps anymore. b:victory
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LadyofReal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Unless of course you don't need bloodpaint to solo most of the instances that you do, like me. I only like BP because it makes things a little easier, but I can still solo a good bit of what I do.
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Dragono - Lost City wrote: »I think he want to say that the next goal after nerving aps would be rank 8/9 or 10 when it comes out maybe some day.
He also wants to say that rank 8/9(10) will be the same problem like aps is now.
So thats the way I understand that ^^
And yes thats true I think one problem makes place for another one.
PWI will ALWAYS have problems as long there are ppl who give PWE enough money to produce more bugs in the game b:thanks
I guess I didn't make it clear. The idea is:
The next Rank 10 armor, Next instance armor will have the power to deal more damage than a 5 aps user, and the power to tank 5 aps users.
The next bosses/mobs/etc will be scaled to this new level of damage.
This way 5 aps users have no choice but to upgrade because the armor is on "the next tier" of power (which deals more damage than 5 aps today but has less aps.)
If they dont upgrade they'll be 1 shots in PvP and wont be able to kill anyone.
With new gear like the one I described above the devs can reduce the APS of the classes and rebalance the game. However, they cannot rebalance Sins without giving them a real nerf.0 -
Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »+1
Potting with token pots helps as well.
Pots, spark, Diamond Sutra, Tree of Protection...but honestly, nothing can replace knowing w t f you're doing.Not motivated enough to make another PWI siggy0 -
angellicdeity wrote: »The next Rank 10 armor, Next instance armor will have the power to deal more damage than a 5 aps user, and the power to tank 5 aps users.
The next bosses/mobs/etc will be scaled to this new level of damage.
This way 5 aps users have no choice but to upgrade because the armor is on "the next tier" of power (which deals more damage than 5 aps today but has less aps.)
I wonder if you are seriously going to try to tell me that you have NEVER been happy about a strong APS person in your squad who made your BHs a little bit easier than usual.
There's a quite high percentage of irony in there. You want to defeat something as powerful and "overpowered" as 5.0 APS with something even more powerful and overpowered and it will most likely cost even more than the currently already incredibly high amount of gold for R9. Thats a fail in itself because people will just start to cry over the new stuff instead of 5.0.
You can't just readjust the damage of bosses to make it harder for APS players without making it harder for everyone else too. Have you ever wasted a single thought on the not-so-good-geared players who already have a hard time with doing BH 3-3 as it is right now? Think about it and you will for sure see the blind spot in your theory.LadyofReal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Pots, spark, Diamond Sutra, Tree of Protection...but honestly, nothing can replace knowing w t f you're doing.
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angellicdeity wrote: »I guess I didn't make it clear. The idea is:
The next Rank 10 armor, Next instance armor will have the power to deal more damage than a 5 aps user, and the power to tank 5 aps users.
The next bosses/mobs/etc will be scaled to this new level of damage.
This way 5 aps users have no choice but to upgrade because the armor is on "the next tier" of power (which deals more damage than 5 aps today but has less aps.)
If they dont upgrade they'll be 1 shots in PvP and wont be able to kill anyone.
With new gear like the one I described above the devs can reduce the APS of the classes and rebalance the game. However, they cannot rebalance Sins without giving them a real nerf.
Effectively turning PWI into "Pay to play" as no one but said rank 10 users would survive said instance. I doubt an instance would be scaled so seeing as there is already rank 8/9 and no instance that challenges those gears. Heck, TT90 (normal) can do every instance, easily, with mediocre refines.
What you're proposing is a jump in 'difficulty' that only a VERY select few could do, hurting PWE in the long run.HEY! Let's all do <instance> that requires gear that's probably just as expensive as getting a warsoul weapon![In a distorted place and time][The knife that stabbed me in the back grants me wings]
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »There is no Shinji, Rei, or Asuka in here, so error 404: NERV not found.
I don't get it... If you're making fun of the op it says right in his sig he's german. >.> Think about how most v's sound in german.
Anyways. What you said would most likely happen... Or more people would quit than when rank came out in the boutique. Could go either way. Tbh it does suck trying to do a regular bh 3-3 with normal people.
The other day I was doing a 3-3 with some faction mates, 2 bms (not with a ton of -interval gears), a veno, me, my barb husband, and a psy. Everyone was pretty well off on their gears. We got to colluseast and we fought for a good 15 minutes everyone dying, and by that time it was only at half. My res scrolls were on cool when I died the second time, so I towned, and everyone was dead when I got back. Used to be able to do regular bhs with a squad like that. But that's why I skip 3-3 now, cause I refuse to spam wc looking for 5.0 aps melees for a damn bh.
And not making another post for the person under me, we're on different pages. ._.
I was referring to how he spelled nerfed, it wasn't a typo since everytime he said it was spelled that way. Or maybe I'm dumb, who knows. Oh well.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Jellytoast - Sanctuary wrote: »I don't get it... If you're making fun of the op it says right in his sig he's german. >.> Think about how most v's sound in german.
Anyways. What you said would most likely happen... Or more people would quit than when rank came out in the boutique. Could go either way. Tbh it does suck trying to do a regular bh 3-3 with normal people.
The other day I was doing a 3-3 with some faction mates, 2 bms (not with a ton of -interval gears), a veno, me, my barb husband, and a psy. Everyone was pretty well off on their gears. We got to colluseast and we fought for a good 15 minutes everyone dying, and by that time it was only at half. My res scrolls were on cool when I died the second time, so I towned, and everyone was dead when I got back. Used to be able to do regular bhs with a squad like that. But that's why I skip 3-3 now, cause I refuse to spam wc looking for 5.0 aps melees for a damn bh.
I didn't 'notice' anything except another "omg let's 'introduce' a fix for 5.0" thread, which has been hammered to death. Instead of being an ***, I made a joke based on a typo in the thread title.
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Jellytoast - Sanctuary wrote: »Anyways. What you said would most likely happen... Or more people would quit than when rank came out in the boutique. Could go either way. Tbh it does suck trying to do a regular bh 3-3 with normal people.
The other day I was doing a 3-3 with some faction mates, 2 bms (not with a ton of -interval gears), a veno, me, my barb husband, and a psy. Everyone was pretty well off on their gears. We got to colluseast and we fought for a good 15 minutes everyone dying, and by that time it was only at half. My res scrolls were on cool when I died the second time, so I towned, and everyone was dead when I got back. Used to be able to do regular bhs with a squad like that. But that's why I skip 3-3 now, cause I refuse to spam wc looking for 5.0 aps melees for a damn bh.
I do BH 3-3 quite frequently on both my BM and archer. Both toons can are 4.0+ provided what gear they are equipped with. I very seldom see a death doing that BH. The point isn't what gear you're using, it's how well you know your class. Not you in particular, just in general. I've done BH with so many people with less than average gear that died far less than those with good, to great, gears. No matter what gear is equipped, if people don't know what they are doing, then everyone is going to have a hell of a hard time.Not motivated enough to make another PWI siggy0 -
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_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »i would love a 10 aps cap, so us fish can be even more OP
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LadyofReal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Pots, spark, Diamond Sutra, Tree of Protection...but honestly, nothing can replace knowing w t f you're doing.
could not have stated this better myself
Personally, you know how to beat aps? oh wait....he already said it... know WTF you're doing.
I have no problem with 5 aps, at all, 1/2 the time they get me the other half I get them, no biggie to me.
Sins are not that op again.... IF you know WTF your doing.
If you are out and about questing you should be fully buffed at all times anyway... right?
And if you are on a pvp server you should know that after lvl 30 you gotta watch out for pkers and be on your guard.
As far as mages not being wanted...hmmmm I am usually in decently high demand
I will admit, a psy has little place in a nirvana squad if any at all, same said for wizards... but so what... be imaginative.. Nirvana is not the only way to farm and/or make money after lvl 100.
Here is the deal, and I do not even have a melee char built, 5 aps is fine, I have no problem with it, and I doubt pwi will ever get rid of it since it is very popular and probably always will be,
So please for those QQing about 5 aps.....Just learn your char and learn how to defend against it and defeat it.. and no I will not explain it cause every class must take different steps
let's just say against high aps you have to be very defensive in nature, because you are going to take some damage, that is a given. This is where instead of worrying about how fast you can kill someone, you wonder about how long you can stay alive to kill someone.0 -
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_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »i would love a 10 aps cap
You would need -0.5 interval for that? Or -0.55? That would be... Archer only, I believe, since only archers can even get to 5.0 unsparked as it is.
However, if I could have 5.0 with a bow, it would blow away 10.0 on a sin. I think if there was more -int gear available, like rings, and you could get a bow to 1.43 or so, it would further unbalance the game anyway.
4.0 and 5.0 glitches the RNG as it is. 10.0 or even 8.0 would be worse, even. They would be forced to use a better RNG, or WB's would be a 4 second solo for Sins (if they could even get past 5.0).
I'd like to see the devs break the game further, since that seems to be their end-goal, anyway.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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