About the Token Scamming...
EmeryFlower - Dreamweaver
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Lately on DW server, and I'm sure other servers as well, people have been getting "scammed" out of 4mil+ coins on what they believe is a Token of Best Luck.
I just guess I'm sick of seeing morons QQing on World Chat, so I will express my opinion here.
Honestly, if you have over 4mil and you're NOT double checking the items in the other person's trade window/catshop, you shouldn't have 4mil+ at all. It takes all of two seconds to put your mouse over the item and read the big (what should be) Dark Purple text that says "Perfect Token of Best Luck". When you QQ on WC or rage on the forums, it does nothing but make you look like an idiot.
A.) GMs will NOT refund you for not checking what you're buying unless it's something like the other player glitched the trade window so you didn't get anything out of the trade.
B.) If the person doesn't specify that it is a Best Luck Token, they can sell regular tokens for whatever price they want. Whether or not people buy them for that price doesn't matter.
So really, learn to read before you purchase anything for over 1mil and stop crying over your own mistakes.
I just guess I'm sick of seeing morons QQing on World Chat, so I will express my opinion here.
Honestly, if you have over 4mil and you're NOT double checking the items in the other person's trade window/catshop, you shouldn't have 4mil+ at all. It takes all of two seconds to put your mouse over the item and read the big (what should be) Dark Purple text that says "Perfect Token of Best Luck". When you QQ on WC or rage on the forums, it does nothing but make you look like an idiot.
A.) GMs will NOT refund you for not checking what you're buying unless it's something like the other player glitched the trade window so you didn't get anything out of the trade.
B.) If the person doesn't specify that it is a Best Luck Token, they can sell regular tokens for whatever price they want. Whether or not people buy them for that price doesn't matter.
So really, learn to read before you purchase anything for over 1mil and stop crying over your own mistakes.
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EmeryFlower - Dreamweaver wrote: »people have been getting "scammed" out of 4mil+ coins on what they believe is a Token of Best Luck
If people are too lazy (or not smart enough) to look at the item's description to verify what it is, then they deserve to be scammed, in my personal opinion.0 -
you are right
that being said, i do report people who i see advertising best lucks and selling regulars, because i just dont like it0 -
No one "deserves" to be scammed or deceived. The only people who think that are the scammers themselves attempting to justify their predatory actions. Scammers exploit new and inexperienced players and GMs have plenty of reason to protect these new players for the long-term growth of the game.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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lol protection b:chuckleAsterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »No one "deserves" to be scammed or deceived. The only people who think that are the scammers themselves attempting to justify their predatory actions. Scammers exploit new and inexperienced players and GMs have plenty of reason to protect these new players for the long-term growth of the game.
this is 100% wrong
the ppl who get scammed need to be scammed to be alerted at how stupid they are at not pay attention to what theyre buying
like someone new enter this game and think "oh i think i will buy up tokens of luck for 4m!"... ur obviously trying to embellish threat to protect new players... just come out and be honest and say u want gm to ban them cuz they annoy u and not hide behind the poor new players who need protection excuse0 -
I got scammed once like that back in the 6x, I learnt my lesson.
The ones who gets scammed again are the ones who deserve it.0 -
Eden - Raging Tide wrote: »... just come out and be honest and say u want gm to ban them cuz they annoy u and not hide behind the poor new players who need protection excuse
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bought teles once for 180k each, and bought 20..I learned my lesson and never did such again.
Scammers exist because most people will either do it once, and learn their lesson, or you have the rare people that will do it more than once because they just don't look, or have that much money to play with they don't care.
I propose that since there is a large margin of people in category B, that "scamming" has become a reliable inflow of cash. (sad as that is)
QQ moar at your own stupidityLost City Sage barb and Retired Coven Marshal.0 -
Nobody deserves to be scammed and I wish there were no scammers at all, but it's a giant waste of time for GMs to try and prevent it. People will generally get scammed once and learn their lesson that just like in the real world, you can't trust anybody, especially when a deal sounds too good to be true...or somebody is rushing you to quick quick press trade, oh sorry try again, now quick quick press trade again.
It's a good life lesson and will be helpful in all future games, as trading scams haven't changed from 10+ years ago, and likely never will.0 -
So...ignore the fact that the scammers are -trying- to scam someone, and focus on "people who are scammed deserve to be scammed"? What an ****-backwards way to think. No one "deserves" to be scammed, but people trying to scam definitely deserve to be punished. Forgive me the severity of this, but that's like saying "people who get ***** deserved it, while the rapist...meh, the victim deserved it for wearing that short skirt/being out at night/etc". And NO, I'm not comparing being scammed in a game to being ***** - but the way of thinking is the same : intention to do harm is being ignored, in favour of blaming the victim.
Completely backwards and wrong.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »So...ignore the fact that the scammers are -trying- to scam someone, and focus on "people who are scammed deserve to be scammed"? What an ****-backwards way to think. No one "deserves" to be scammed, but people trying to scam definitely deserve to be punished. Forgive me the severity of this, but that's like saying "people who get ***** deserved it, while the rapist...meh, the victim deserved it for wearing that short skirt/being out at night/etc". And NO, I'm not comparing being scammed in a game to being ***** - but the way of thinking is the same : intention to do harm is being ignored, in favour of blaming the victim.
Completely backwards and wrong.
I had to lol a little at this, those two aren't even in the same category, people don't get "scammed against their will" (as would happen with ****) they willingly enter a trade/deal and don't do all their research or homework. They are "willingly" looking the other way. It's the same reason people don't take deals that sound too good to be true, in the real life. If you get scammed in RL , people have little sympathy for you..why is this different in game?
Also, bravo for bringing **** in as your go to. People willingly get scammed (that's the hard truth) People do not willingly get ***** and bringing that in for shock value does not a good argument make.Lost City Sage barb and Retired Coven Marshal.0 -
Scamming in real life is definitely illegal. There are also many laws against deceptive advertising and lots of protections for consumers.
If your grandmother died eating poisoned food at a restaurant, is it her fault for being too stupid to recognize the smell of cyanide? Is she to blame for not doing more research about all the other people who died there?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »Scamming in real life is definitely illegal. There are also many laws against deceptive advertising and lots of protections for consumers.
If your grandmother died eating poisoned food at a restaurant, is it her fault for being too stupid to recognize the smell of cyanide? Is she to blame for not doing more research about all the other people who died there?
people scam cars all the time, just look at Creig's list. There is no law that protects private sales scams, which is what we are talking about here.
When you eat at a restaurant, you are protected by the FDA (at least in america) that is expected, when you enter into a private sales, you void all right (that's typically why you can get things cheaper.) to any kind of liability. Hence why certain cars loose titles like (honda for example) "certified used car".Lost City Sage barb and Retired Coven Marshal.0 -
ItsAWolf - Archosaur wrote: »Nobody deserves to be scammed and I wish there were no scammers at all, but it's a giant waste of time for GMs to try and prevent it. People will generally get scammed once and learn their lesson that just like in the real world, you can't trust anybody, especially when a deal sounds too good to be true...or somebody is rushing you to quick quick press trade, oh sorry try again, now quick quick press trade again.
It's a good life lesson and will be helpful in all future games, as trading scams haven't changed from 10+ years ago, and likely never will.
im a very cautious person and never have been scammed cause well i just dont trust people but i still dont like scammers they ruin the game for me. i have noticed people selling teles for 11k then a stack next to them for 30k each and almost dragged the 30k ones cause i assumed the catshop was all the same but i looked to make sure saw that they had that scam going left that catshop and paid more then 11k for a tele because point blank i wont deal with any scammers at all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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That's all well and good, but scamming players IS against ToS - http://perfectworld.com/about/terms11. User Conduct
You must observe these Terms, all Rules of Conduct, all applicable laws and all basic rules of etiquette and common courtesy when using the Website and the Service. Any conduct that violates the law in an offline, real world community is also a violation of these terms. PWE will not tolerate any illegal or offensive conduct.
Without limiting the foregoing, in addition to the User Content rules set forth in Section 10 above, you agree not to take any of the following actions:
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(j) Engage in any actions that defraud or attempt to defraud, scam or cheat others out of any items that have been earned through authorized game play;
So there is a "law" here, and people who read the ToS and agreed to it, are breaking this law willingly by scamming. So you're saying this is fine, the victims still deserve it?Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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Still if you check craigslist terms of use:
http://www.craigslist.org/about/terms.of.use7. CONDUCT
You agree not to post, email, or otherwise make available Content:
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i) that is false, deceptive, misleading, deceitful, misinformative, or
constitutes "bait and switch";
If you were to advertise something as a "car" on craigslist but were really selling something worthless that was not a car, you would be in violation of those terms and would be blocked from using craigslist. GMs should be expected to do the same in PWI.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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EmeryFlower - Dreamweaver wrote: »Lately on DW server, and I'm sure other servers as well, people have been getting "scammed" out of 4mil+ coins on what they believe is a Token of Best Luck.
I just guess I'm sick of seeing morons QQing on World Chat, so I will express my opinion here.
Honestly, if you have over 4mil and you're NOT double checking the items in the other person's trade window/catshop, you shouldn't have 4mil+ at all. It takes all of two seconds to put your mouse over the item and read the big (what should be) Dark Purple text that says "Perfect Token of Best Luck". When you QQ on WC or rage on the forums, it does nothing but make you look like an idiot.
A.) GMs will NOT refund you for not checking what you're buying unless it's something like the other player glitched the trade window so you didn't get anything out of the trade.
B.) If the person doesn't specify that it is a Best Luck Token, they can sell regular tokens for whatever price they want. Whether or not people buy them for that price doesn't matter.
So really, learn to read before you purchase anything for over 1mil and stop crying over your own mistakes.
You're right there... except for one thing. GM's WILL do something. or at least they SAID they would like a year ago on here. They said it's bannable, if you're blatantly trying to scam people. e.g you put "Best Luck" or w/e in the cat shop title and only have a reg token for 4.9 mil. OR..... Teles for 15k and you ALWAYS have them for 150k (not just one night then realize u put one to many 0's).
Of course.... whether the GM's do their job anymore is beyond me... I sent in two SS's a couple months ago, i saw one of the guys all week, the next week.. (not in a shop but he was still playing.....) and he's still around. So......
Although i have to admit if you get scammed by this you're pretty stupid for not loking at what you're buying. ALOT of things in this game use the same icon for some reason (they couldnt' draw something different?).
Edit: and like to point out Kat's post two above mine.... it's obviously against the rules and'll get you banned. Or you should....0 -
The difficult thing about scams, is you have to prove the person purposefully and maliciously went outright to scam you from the beginning. This is why scams are a gray area in the legal system. Someone who makes a catshop for teles for 11k, but their stack is actually 110k each, can simply be looked upon as a typo and cannot be considered a "scam"
Now, seperated tokens with one price being 4 mil, obvious scam. But, if they do not specifically mention best lucks, they aren't falsely advertising. In fact, you have to specifically notice the 4 mil price while not reading the token of luck, NOT Best luck, to even be taken in by such a scam, or not read the final buy price. In this way, there is no false advertising as the information isnt even hidden, it is specifically laid out for you and you simply failed to notice it.0 -
You're right, Liolin, and that's another unfair thing. The "scammer" can "accidentally" add a 0, and they can get away with it, regardless of their actual intention.
The victim can "forget" to look to make sure what they're buying is actually what they want, and they get told "you deserve to get scammed".
It's an unfair double standard.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »You're right, Liolin, and that's another unfair thing. The "scammer" can "accidentally" add a 0, and they can get away with it, regardless of their actual intention.
The victim can "forget" to look to make sure what they're buying is actually what they want, and they get told "you deserve to get scammed".
It's an unfair double standard.
If they advertise Best of luck for X amount of coin but have regular for the same amount of coin then it's an obvious scam. You could say there selling both for the same price but it's still an obvious ploy to decieve people.0 -
I never get scammed once, I always keep all my coin in bank, every 10k goes straight to account stash. I have almost always less than 10k on each char, to share coins for each other. It is easy not to get scammed, I do not understand how people get scammed even ONCE. Scammers deserve punishment, no if's and's or but's regardless of people too stupid enough to buy tokens for 5 mil, too much dumb csers IMO.I, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.
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I think Katz is just QQing because she was one of those dumb people who didn't look over the item before purchasing it b:chuckle. And I also LOL at your **** comment. You compared someone getting scammed for game coins, which aren't even real, to something as tramatizing as ****? Seriously? I have to give you a standing ovation for using the most irrevelant and by far inapproriate comparsion to a cash shop scammer. I'm sure this is a proud moment for you.0
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I know you can't read properly, dear Turg, but I did say I wasn't comparing being ***** to being scammed - I was comparing the thought process of people -blaming the victim-, rather than the person hurting others.
And no, I've never been scammed, because I do check my purchases first, and make sure things add up.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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Best Lucks look different enough, people really need to stop falling for it.
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wait so, you're calling us heartless idiots because we expect the same out of other people so that they are never scammed, but you do the same yourself? "double standard" much? b:puzzledKatzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »I know you can't read properly, dear Turg, but I did say I wasn't comparing being ***** to being scammed - I was comparing the thought process of people -blaming the victim-, rather than the person hurting others.
And no, I've never been scammed, because I do check my purchases first, and make sure things add up.
also, again about the **** that's the most backward comparison in existence (as I stated earlier)Lost City Sage barb and Retired Coven Marshal.0 -
Oh dear Katz, I can read perfectly fine, it's just most of your comments are gibberish so I don't read thoroughly when you post something. Whether you were comparing the thought process or the situation itself the comparsion was still irrevelant and higly inapproriate. The point is the coins aren't real, the game isn't real, so therefore, the are no real victims because the stuff they are getting "scammed" for doesn't really exist.0
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »Best Lucks look different enough, people really need to stop falling for it.
They could stand to look a lot more different. The two images are like 98% identical pixels. The graphics artists in this game are extremely lazy.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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1) Where'd you pull "heartless idiots" from?
2) There's a HUGE difference between "expecting the same out of other people so they don't get scammed" and "telling people they deserve to be scammed". As I said in my first post in this topic, yes they should check, but telling them "you deserve to be scammed if you don't check" is wrong.
3) Jeez, you people can't get past the word ****. Shoulda just used Aster's example of the poisoned food. Same concept. Let me bold it for you - Blaming the victim, rather than the person who is purposely trying to hurt/scam/etc. someone is backwards thinking. Did you get it that time? Can't really make it any simpler.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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Let me break down my first post for you, Katzyn.
You have 5mil on your character. You want a Best Luck token for some reason. Someone PM's you and says they'll sell it for 4mil. You agree and meet up in West Arch. In the trade window, the person puts the "Best Luck Token" there, and you put in 4mil. BEFORE you hit confirm, you should take the two seconds to check if it really is a best luck token. It's not that hard. Therefore, it IS your fault for falling for the scam, since you could have easily avoided it by taking two short seconds to check. The people that don't check, should not have that amount of money in the first place and do deserved to get scammed. This way, they can learn from their mistakes and not do it again. There is no point in crying over it if you could have prevented it. Also, I will go back to your first statement about ****. That is a completely different thing because it you never willingly tell someone you want *****, whereas you paying for a regular Token with 4mil says you are willingly getting scammed. You cannot do anything to prevent ****, aside from staying in your house all your life, but you can prevent getting scammed. I don't see how stupid people can be to NOT check what they're buying. I even check armor/weapons that I'm buying from someone else before I even put the coins in the trade window.
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People will -always- try to scam, even if no one falls for it. The act of trying to scam, itself, is the problem. Yes, if people looked before confirming, they wouldn't get scammed, but that still doesn't fix the fact that people are still trying to scam other people. If people weren't trying to scam others, no one would get scammed, either.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »1) Where'd you pull "heartless idiots" from?
2) There's a HUGE difference between "expecting the same out of other people so they don't get scammed" and "telling people they deserve to be scammed". As I said in my first post in this topic, yes they should check, but telling them "you deserve to be scammed if you don't check" is wrong.
3) Jeez, you people can't get past the word ****. Shoulda just used Aster's example of the poisoned food. Same concept. Let me bold it for you - Blaming the victim, rather than the person who is purposely trying to hurt/scam/etc. someone is backwards thinking. Did you get it that time? Can't really make it any simpler.
Do not argue with them, they are idiots for falling for tha even once, they need to learn how to read HAHAHAH.... Stupid trolls.I, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.
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