Dear pw SALES and polearm...

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear
Healforwimps - Heavens Tear Posts: 152 Arc User
edited March 2011 in General Discussion
Need more pack sales or rep sales please,i have no incentive to charge zhen when neither of those are running(or 15% bonus zhen) seriously the rest of your sales are pretty **** and don't get me enough bang for my buck b:chuckle

On a more serious note(although my first note was in itself pretty damn serious if i do say so myself)how the hell did polearm debuff my bm(who at 85 is fist/axe fully buffed except with barb buff)has 6.5k hp and around 12k defense... then hit me twice for 4k each time...yet completely bypass my charm and ko me?The damn thing never ticked >< Oh and i was getting ironhearted,eating crab meat.

1#edit Since i'm writing,sins...seriously...****ing use your ribstrike,it is usefull,its in your skills for a reason.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    You have 6.5k and were being healed.

    Got hit once, healed before your charm could tick up to 3.4k hp, then hit for 4k again.
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  • Healforwimps - Heavens Tear
    Healforwimps - Heavens Tear Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Shouldn't the charm have ticked straight away though soon as i got hit for the first 4k?I get the healing would have put me over half my hp inside a second,but still...i thought charm should tick soon as hp went below half?
  • azurluen
    azurluen Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Thing is, maybe it never got below half. Not sure about it, but looks like the damaga it's not always calculated before the healing on certain situations.

    I see that often, at least while healing Venomancer pet. Maybe it's something similar. Or just a lag related issue.
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  • Healforwimps - Heavens Tear
    Healforwimps - Heavens Tear Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    azurluen wrote: »
    Thing is, maybe it never got below half. Not sure about it, but looks like the damaga it's not always calculated before the healing on certain situations.

    I see that often, at least while healing Venomancer pet. Maybe it's something similar. Or just a lag related issue.

    Eh...it does make sense i guess,maybe if i'd got 1k at least in heal just as i was hit the first time,i would have been around 3.5k odd health,with no charm tick and the second 4k hit KO ing me....sucks though>.< Especially since i'd tanked him 5 times previous with no problems =/
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Healforwimps - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    1#edit Since i'm writing,sins...seriously...****ing use your ribstrike,it is usefull,its in your skills for a reason.

    I've actually been told not to use my Rib Strike since it's Sage and has a 10% hp debuff.
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  • Melora - Lost City
    Melora - Lost City Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I've actually been told not to use my Rib Strike since it's Sage and has a 10% hp debuff.

    Has been proven countless times that hp debuffs DO NOT effect exp gained...
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I've actually been told not to use my Rib Strike since it's Sage and has a 10% hp debuff.
    Polearm's not in Frost, the amount of HP lost from max HP reduction is minuscule (you get the XP from the quest completion, not the kill.)
    Has been proven countless times that hp debuffs DO NOT effect exp gained...
    Actually... the opposite is the case. However, the ONLY place where this is a serious concern is Frost.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Melora - Lost City wrote: »
    Has been proven countless times that hp debuffs DO NOT effect exp gained...

    has been proven that it does, actually
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Polearm's not in Frost, the amount of HP lost from max HP reduction is minuscule (you get the XP from the quest completion, not the kill

    And what if I'm the only sin in the squad?

    Well, I wasn't but I was the only one using Rib Strike. Our other sin was too busy demonsparking with his 2.86 sparked aps.

    And hilariously, the one who told me not to Rib Strike was the barbarian. As far as I know, barbarians benefit the most from Rib Strike as it reduces the damage they have to take and their repairs.

    And I can personally say that the exp loss is there, as I've noticed getting a "weird" amount of xp from an Increased Life mob. Hell, I could probably go kill some Increased Life mobs and take screenshots.
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  • Wolfixxxx - Lost City
    Wolfixxxx - Lost City Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And what if I'm the only sin in the squad?

    Well, I wasn't but I was the only one using Rib Strike. Our other sin was too busy demonsparking with his 2.86 sparked aps.

    And hilariously, the one who told me not to Rib Strike was the barbarian. As far as I know, barbarians benefit the most from Rib Strike as it reduces the damage they have to take and their repairs.

    And I can personally say that the exp loss is there, as I've noticed getting a "weird" amount of xp from an Increased Life mob. Hell, I could probably go kill some Increased Life mobs and take screenshots.


    just use it. the exp is not all that noticeable unless its in frost. anyone telling u to not use it outside of frost is just a plain dumbass.
  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Barbarians don't like rib strike because for some reason it messes up Pole's debuff timing, so then it messes up the cancellation timing. Someone told me this and then I found it true on my barb when I tested it... I can get my timing set to cancel every armor break, but when rib strike is used everything shifts and Pole changes his pattern completely. So if a barb asks you not to use it that is why. However, if there is no barb tanking, there is no reason not to use it.
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  • ItsAWolf - Archosaur
    ItsAWolf - Archosaur Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And what if I'm the only sin in the squad?

    Well, I wasn't but I was the only one using Rib Strike. Our other sin was too busy demonsparking with his 2.86 sparked aps.

    And hilariously, the one who told me not to Rib Strike was the barbarian. As far as I know, barbarians benefit the most from Rib Strike as it reduces the damage they have to take and their repairs.

    And I can personally say that the exp loss is there, as I've noticed getting a "weird" amount of xp from an Increased Life mob. Hell, I could probably go kill some Increased Life mobs and take screenshots.

    The increased exp from increased HP mobs is not related to the "Reducing max hp reduces exp gain" theory.

    IIRC Increased HP and Sacrificial Strike give x2 exp
    Increased Movement, Increased physical / Magic defense mobs give x 1.5 exp
    Weak mobs give x 0.5 exp

    As sacrificial strike and weak mobs have the same amount of hp, yet one gives 4x the exp of the other, you can conclude that HP is not a factor when regarding special mods of mobs.

    I do recall reading some thread with proof showing that skills that reduce max HP can reduce the exp gain from a mob if applied before it lost this amount of HP in natural ways (getting damaged). This is most likely because exp split between different parties is calculated by the amount of damage caused, and thus your party never manages to cause 100% of the damage, unless possibly you let the mob regenerate its HP (dunno about that).
  • Healforwimps - Heavens Tear
    Healforwimps - Heavens Tear Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Barbarians don't like rib strike because for some reason it messes up Pole's debuff timing, so then it messes up the cancellation timing. Someone told me this and then I found it true on my barb when I tested it... I can get my timing set to cancel every armor break, but when rib strike is used everything shifts and Pole changes his pattern completely. So if a barb asks you not to use it that is why. However, if there is no barb tanking, there is no reason not to use it.

    I don't think i've ever seen a barb in 69 yet(while on my sin)use their cancel =/

    Although yeah,while on my bm tanking it is different and makes a big difference for me.
  • Alsiadorra - Sanctuary
    Alsiadorra - Sanctuary Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Melora - Lost City wrote: »
    Has been proven countless times that hp debuffs DO NOT effect exp gained...
    Proven, tested myself with Sage Soul Degeneration. Really sucks in FCC.

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