R9 belt or Warsong +10?

Okeano - Harshlands
Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
edited March 2011 in Blademaster
The trade off is pretty clear, 999 m def vs 700 of both def. The add-ons of Warsong is also more defensive comparing to R9.

I'm considering R9 belt because R9 casters don't really give me as much trouble as R9 Archers in 1v1 (even tho I don't have cube neck yet), since R9 Archer's auto attack still hurts quite a bit through demon magic Marrow. I'm switching out my LA bracers and boots later for Nirvana so I would get nice p def boost from there. 199 m def for 700 more p def seems like a good trade off to me. Although, I will probably be hit with mostly magic in TW? I also won't have other R9 pieces so won't get set bonus from the belt.
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    The trade off is pretty clear, 999 m def vs 700 of both def. The add-ons of Warsong is also more defensive comparing to R9.

    I'm considering R9 belt because R9 casters don't really give me as much trouble as R9 Archers in 1v1 (even tho I don't have cube neck yet), since R9 Archer's auto attack still hurts quite a bit through demon magic Marrow. I'm switching out my LA bracers and boots later for Nirvana so I would get nice p def boost from there. 199 m def for 700 more p def seems like a good trade off to me. Although, I will probably be hit with mostly magic in TW? I also won't have other R9 pieces so won't get set bonus from the belt.

    Do you already have the Rank 9 ring? This is required before you can get any other Rank 9 piece.

    If you already do, it's 150M ish more for + 3 Def level from belt and 700 p def/m def.

    If you don't, it's 300M ish for + 3 Def level from belt and 700 p def/m def.

    150M ish for +10 warsong belt it's + 1 Def level and 999 m def.

    The difference is like comparing 1 JOSD + 6 Garnet Gems vs 3 Saphire Gems

    It's going to depend on what you need more. I like to keep my Phys Def / Mage Def balanced when Demon Mage Marrowed and full buffed (around 13K each).
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I will get the ring of course, but the ring doesn't count into the set bonus according to the database, that's why I said I won't get any set bonus. I already have G15 axes so I won't get R9 axes. If I get belt + boots, then I'll need the Nirvana cape for 5 piece bonus of Nirvana, which means I'll have to switch cape for interval mode. That's a hassle I guess, and it'll be costly to not only get another cape but also refine and shard it. The upside of that setup (R9 belt + boots, 5 other peices Nirvana) is that I'll have more magic def from the cape as well as 20 def level from both sets. I'm leaning towards it, but R9 boots will just look so odd with the rest of my set of armor.

    The best defensive setup for TW would obviously be full R9 with Nirvana cape and helm, but that will waste my Nirvana plate and also means a LOT of gear switching to change to interval mode.

    Money isn't too big of an issue, since my merchanting is taking me close to 1.5 bil but I don't like to waste it. I would like to keep a bil or so invested in merchant so the gears will have to come slowly. I was going to get R9 for Seeker if I liked the class, but as it seems they are quite limited in PvP, I can go back to focusing on BM.

    The belt gives 3 attack instead of def. If belt and ring gave set bonus, the choice would have been easier.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    I will get the ring of course, but the ring doesn't count into the set bonus according to the database, that's why I said I won't get any set bonus. I already have G15 axes so I won't get R9 axes. If I get belt + boots, then I'll need the Nirvana cape for 5 piece bonus of Nirvana, which means I'll have to switch cape for interval mode. That's a hassle I guess, and it'll be costly to not only get another cape but also refine and shard it. The upside of that setup (R9 belt + boots, 5 other peices Nirvana) is that I'll have more magic def from the cape as well as 20 def level from both sets. I'm leaning towards it, but R9 boots will just look so odd with the rest of my set of armor.

    The best defensive setup for TW would obviously be full R9 with Nirvana cape and helm, but that will waste my Nirvana plate and also means a LOT of gear switching to change to interval mode.

    Money isn't too big of an issue, since my merchanting is taking me close to 1.5 bil but I don't like to waste it. I would like to keep a bil or so invested in merchant so the gears will have to come slowly. I was going to get R9 for Seeker if I liked the class, but as it seems they are quite limited in PvP, I can go back to focusing on BM.

    The belt gives 3 attack instead of def. If belt and ring gave set bonus, the choice would have been easier.

    Yeah, I realized this and edited my post. But since you don't have the ring it's 300M Rank 9 vs 150M Warsong belt +10. Personally, I'd take this 150M difference and just +10 both your rings for the phys def, and still gain the 300 Mage def from belt for same cost.

    Ultimately though, the most ideal set up is to have balanced phys and mage def when demon mage marrowed and full buffed.

    I also have G15 axes already with GOF on em, so I'm not going to bother with the Rank 9 Axe. Rank 9 is just not really worth it if there's no set bonus imo.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I won't consider the cost of the ring since it's something I know I'm getting. a G12 garnet shard worth of attack boost with 5 def level is just too much to pass up. My both def are just slightly over 10k each buffed with marrow. It'll tip to magic more once I get the cube necklace. I've been wearing Lionheart neck since I gave 5% hp mold neck to cleric b:embarrass. Then when I switch out LA wrists and boots for HA, it'll tip back to physical a bit, so both will probably be about the same later.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    I won't consider the cost of the ring since it's something I know I'm getting. a G12 garnet shard worth of attack boost with 5 def level is just too much to pass up. My both def are just slightly over 10k each buffed with marrow. it'll tip to magic more once I get the cube necklace. I've been wearing Lionheart neck since I gave 5% hp mold neck to cleric b:embarrass. Then when I switch out LA wrists and boots for HA, it'll tip back to physical a bit, so both will probably be about the same later.

    Okay, if you were going to get the ring anyways, get the rank 9 belt. At this point it's 150M vs 150M.

    You're going to gain mage def from cube neck, so you may as well balance it with more phys def from belt.

    Edit - Normally you're going to have 2 Mage def orns, and 2 Phys def rings for refining. Since you're losing 1 Phys def from Rank 9 ring, it's best to balance the lost refines from ring with belt. This way you still have 1 Mage def orn (neck) and 1 Phys def ring to balance.
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  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    If you're switching to NV boots, why not just get R9 boots instead? Then you end up with the same pdef/mdef of lunar nv, +60 hp refine base vs +56 hp refine base, 10 vit vs ~6-10 str, 180 hp vs 1% phys reduce, AND if you get r9 belt instead of ws belt you get the +10 def lvl from the 2-piece r9 bonus.

    So you'd get higher refines, more stats, more dmg reduction (180 hp > 1% phys reduce unless you have over 18k hp unbuffed and don't get hit by magic classes lol)

    Oh and I forgot. r9 armor costs less than nv armor. r9 armor costs ~80-90m ish? while nv armor easily costs over 100m. r9 is also auto-4 sockets
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    If you're switching to NV boots, why not just get R9 boots instead? Then you end up with the same pdef/mdef of lunar nv, +60 hp refine base vs +56 hp refine base, 10 vit vs ~6-10 str, 180 hp vs 1% phys reduce, AND if you get r9 belt instead of ws belt you get the +10 def lvl from the 2-piece r9 bonus.

    So you'd get higher refines, more stats, more dmg reduction (180 hp > 1% phys reduce unless you have over 18k hp unbuffed and don't get hit by magic classes lol)

    Oh and I forgot. r9 armor costs less than nv armor. r9 armor costs ~80-90m ish? while nv armor easily costs over 100m. r9 is also auto-4 sockets

    Because then I need to get the Nirvana cape for the 5-piece set bonus of Nirvana. Yeah it sucks that R9 is about the same cost as Nirvana now, I liked how Lunar Nirvana looked.
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Because then I need to get the Nirvana cape for the 5-piece set bonus of Nirvana. Yeah it sucks that R9 is about the same cost as Nirvana now, I liked how Lunar Nirvana looked.

    5 piece NV bonus is +10 def lvls. 2 piece r9 bonus is +10 def lvls. hmmmm.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    5 piece NV bonus is +10 def lvls. 2 piece r9 bonus is +10 def lvls. hmmmm.

    Yeah... the best would to get the R9 boots and Nirv cape for 20 def. I'll have to shard and refine another cape but oh well. If only R9 armor looked like Lunar Nirvana >_>.
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited March 2011
    5.. piece? for what do you absolutely need those extra 10 defense levels for?
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    prof wrote: »
    5.. piece? for what do you absolutely need those extra 10 defense levels for?

    Well... it'll be nice to have. Would be a shame to stop at 4 and get nothing. With all these R9s running around, I need all the def lvl I can get, that's why I'm leaning towards R9 belt + boots and 5 pieces of Nirvana. Even tho I'll have to switch out 3 pieces of gears mid battle to change to 3.33 based.
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Well... it'll be nice to have. Would be a shame to stop at 4 and get nothing. With all these R9s running around, I need all the def lvl I can get, that's why I'm leaning towards R9 belt + boots and 5 pieces of Nirvana. Even tho I'll have to switch out 3 pieces of gears mid battle to change to 3.33 based.

    Or you could get 5 pieces of r9. That would be another 10 def lvls. But there's no -int on r9 bracers or pants for sin soooo yeah.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    Or you could get 5 pieces of r9. That would be another 10 def lvls. But there's no -int on r9 bracers or pants for sin soooo yeah.

    I'm talking about my BM lol, hence the BM section. Who gives a f*** about Sin? I could get full R9, but the problem with that is neither the wrists or pants have interval, so I'll have to refine 2 sets of armor, one for group PK and one for 1v1 fights or farming. I also wouldn't be able to stash my R9 to my Seeker, where as if I +10 my Nirvana set, both characters can have good gears.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I'm kinda stuck in the same dilemma. I've already got my G15 Nirv axes and my interval gear set.

    Just kinda don't feel like getting Rank 9 axes for an extra +30 attack on em for another 400M.

    I'm taking my 700-800M investments and putting em towards my G15 fists for now. Maybe eventually if I have nothing to spend on would I consider get 2 pieces of Rank 9.
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  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm talking about my BM lol, hence the BM section. Who gives a f*** about Sin? I could get full R9, but the problem with that is neither the wrists or pants have interval, so I'll have to refine 2 sets of armor, one for group PK and one for 1v1 fights or farming. I also wouldn't be able to stash my R9 to my Seeker, where as if I +10 my Nirvana set, both characters can have good gears.

    Doesn't matter with r9 between those 2 classes. Same int problem with BM.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'm kinda stuck in the same dilemma. I've already got my G15 Nirv axes and my interval gear set.

    Just kinda don't feel like getting Rank 9 axes for an extra +30 attack on em for another 400M.

    I'm taking my 700-800M investments and putting em towards my G15 fists for now. Maybe eventually if I have nothing to spend on would I consider get 2 pieces of Rank 9.

    I wish i wasn't half way to my G15 when R9 sale came out. I wouldn't have to deal with keep re-rolling and failing for GoF.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    I wish i wasn't half way to my G15 when R9 sale came out. I wouldn't have to deal with keep re-rolling and failing for GoF.

    I wasn't very motivated to get my own axes until a 2x, because no one ever sells raptures on 1x. They were like 1.3M ea right before a 2x, but then they jumped to 2M ea when 2x rolled along. I ended up farming a huge portion of the raptures at like 1.8M ea from squads.

    After finishing my axes, it came out with 4% crit, 3% crit, 3% crit, GoF. I was panicking too hard to wait to farm more, I was spam buying out all the shops for 2.4M ea lmao.

    I'm hoping to get some epic adds on my G15 fists as well. I re-rolled a new fist cause gold was too high for chienkungs, figured might as well have 2 weapons. I got 2 sockets on my G13 without chienkungs so far, hoping my luck holds out until they're G15ed and sockets transferred.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I wasn't very motivated to get my own axes until a 2x, because no one ever sells raptures on 1x. They were like 1.3M ea right before a 2x, but then they jumped to 2M ea when 2x rolled along. I ended up farming a huge portion of the raptures at like 1.8M ea from squads.

    After finishing my axes, it came out with 4% crit, 3% crit, 3% crit, GoF. I was panicking too hard to wait to farm more, I was spam buying out all the shops for 2.4M ea lmao.

    I'm hoping to get some epic adds on my G15 fists as well. I re-rolled a new fist cause gold was too high for chienkungs, figured might as well have 2 weapons. I got 2 sockets on my G13 without chienkungs so far, hoping my luck holds out until they're G15ed and sockets transferred.

    I was heading my desk so hard after 24 rolls and no GoF on axes. R9 would have been cheaper after all those rerolls... But I still love my axes because they look so much more badass than R9.

    I really can't take anymore reroll **** on another weapon. I'll stick with my TT100 til something better with -0.1 comes out. I'm sure they'll release new fists soon b:chuckle.
  • Noc - Harshlands
    Noc - Harshlands Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I'm going for rank 9 belt myself, but I'm aiming at a different gear set up then you.

    http://pwcalc.com/1f828fbef6f9a632
    This is gonna cost a lot so I'm aiming for this 1st.

    http://pwcalc.com/2a8620f043205e93
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    I was heading my desk so hard after 24 rolls and no GoF on axes. R9 would have been cheaper after all those rerolls... But I still love my axes because they look so much more badass than R9.

    I really can't take anymore reroll **** on another weapon. I'll stick with my TT100 til something better with -0.1 comes out. I'm sure they'll release new fists soon b:chuckle.

    That's why I decided to keep my TT100s +10 and re-roll the G15s on a separate weapon, because there's no way in hell I'd ever want to buy another HoN for 150M. If new fists come out, I'll still have those to spare in case G15 gets screwed over.

    And +1 on the G15 axes looking way more bad *** than R9. I'm also going for the TT G15 fists since they're way more bad *** than lunar claws/fist or TT claws.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Noc - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm going for rank 9 belt myself, but I'm aiming at a different gear set up then you.

    http://pwcalc.com/1f828fbef6f9a632
    This is gonna cost a lot so I'm aiming for this 1st.

    http://pwcalc.com/2a8620f043205e93

    Yeah R9 plate will be very nice to have. It's a damn shame that I love the looks of Lunar Nirvana plate too much.
  • Noc - Harshlands
    Noc - Harshlands Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    Yeah R9 plate will be very nice to have. It's a damn shame that I love the looks of Lunar Nirvana plate too much.

    Ya I'm debating if I should replace rank9 ring with frost. I don't know if i want the the extra +5 defense or the phys res from refines.

    http://pwcalc.com/2c0fa06dd68586e7

    The Frost ring improves my resistances by a decent amount, but I'm not sure if that would be better then +5 defense.
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Noc - Harshlands wrote: »
    Ya I'm debating if I should replace rank9 ring with frost. I don't know if i want the the extra +5 defense or the phys res from refines.

    http://pwcalc.com/2c0fa06dd68586e7

    The Frost ring improves my resistances by a decent amount, but I'm not sure if that would be better then +5 defense.

    Umm hate to break it to ya, but those are lunar and CoA rings.
  • Noc - Harshlands
    Noc - Harshlands Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    Umm hate to break it to ya, but those are lunar and CoA rings.

    The Lunar ring is called sign of frost chaos and in my previous post I had the build with the rank 9 ring instead. Thats why i called it frost and the coa ring was on both builds.
  • pflegefall69
    pflegefall69 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    http://pwcalc.com/9e757058e1f63fdc
    i see no future in aps bms since there are alot r9ers out there.
    r9 badge> warsongbelt if you wannah go with perma m.marrow.
    as you are demon i guess you want.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    pflegefall69 wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/9e757058e1f63fdc
    i see no future in aps bms since there are alot r9ers out there.
    r9 badge> warsongbelt if you wannah go with perma m.marrow.
    as you are demon i guess you want.

    TBH, my view of BM is different. I understand the importance of axes, but I also know their limit. Axes and fists with interval are both needed for a complete BM, and that's why I spent pretty much as much on my Nirvana axes alone as my fists + rest of the interval gears. Full R9 would be the best option in group PvP, but I'd be crazy trying to kill an equal geared BM or Barb using R9 axes.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Yes, axes and fists both have their place. The most logical thing to do is to have a hybrid set up so you can use both. Going too far either way is pretty ineffective and it's not worth it for non cash shoppers to try refining/building two full sets of gear +10-12 end game.

    There are times when DPH (AoE) is more useful, other times DPS on a single target for 1v1s in essence.

    I just G15ed my fists, +10ed and garnet gemmed them after 8 re-rolls. I managed to get zerk, -.05 and max phys atk. Great for 1v1, but blow *** in mass PvP.

    In essence, an intelligent BM will know when to use what, where and when to apply balance to their set up. Going too far either way is a horrible idea.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I just G15ed my fists, +10ed and garnet gemmed them after 8 re-rolls. I managed to get zerk, -.05 and max phys atk. Great for 1v1, but blow *** in mass PvP.

    I hate your luck with rerolling b:cold.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »
    I hate your luck with rerolling b:cold.

    Try standing on the forges, it works. b:victory

    I also can use my G15 fists in PvE. Zerk proc --- > then switch to TT100 fists. Stays 5.0 and gain benefit from str buff. Epic ownage lol.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Try standing on the forges, it works. b:victory

    I also can use my G15 fists in PvE. Zerk proc --- > then switch to TT100 fists. Stays 5.0 and gain benefit from str buff. Epic ownage lol.

    have to say it

    gratz on the worst possible main add on g 15b:cute
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