Endgame Archers
My archer will be hitting 89 later today and I've been reading as much as I can on high level archers. I really like using my bow and taking down mobs before they can get close to me, so its been fun to level this toon. FC has been fun, since I get lots of chances to open up with BoA.
What I'm wondering is once I hit 100 and move into end game like Nirvana, it sounds like bow archers are basically gone. Everyone wants aps, so that means fists, not bows. Is that really how it works? Am I basically stuck being a less effective BM or Sin? I've seen the demonhunter bow and it seems awesome, but do people actually get to use it in runs?
Just a bit worried before I start plunking down millions on gear that I'm better off just rolling a sin for endgame and leaving my archer to go farm mobs or something.
What do you high level archers say?
What I'm wondering is once I hit 100 and move into end game like Nirvana, it sounds like bow archers are basically gone. Everyone wants aps, so that means fists, not bows. Is that really how it works? Am I basically stuck being a less effective BM or Sin? I've seen the demonhunter bow and it seems awesome, but do people actually get to use it in runs?
Just a bit worried before I start plunking down millions on gear that I'm better off just rolling a sin for endgame and leaving my archer to go farm mobs or something.
What do you high level archers say?
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You are correct. Without aps, you will have diffuclty getting into Nirvana runs, unless you have a good, active faction.
Furthermore, if you do not have aps, you will make more coin grinding on spiders than going on Nirvana runs with non-aps DDs.
I have 4 aps now. If I go on a Nirvana run that takes 30 minutes (which usually has 2 or 3 aps DDs), I actually make more grinding than that run. So, it is worth it to get R8 for an archer.
Now, is it worth it to take the archer to endgame or get an assassin instead, that may be another answer.0 -
Like most archers at 100 your have some -interval gears anyways. My advice is to set up a off-spec gear for farming.
So, if you planning rank 8 your get the -0.1 chest, get a lunar -int cape, 2 parts of HH99 including the wrists. This is pretty average lvl 100 archer gear.
Now for the fists / claws. You can get either the FC fists, these are cheaper and give -0.05 int, putting you at 4aps, they also have a nice little proc that adds patk and recovers HP, very usefull, or the lunar claws with -0.1 giving you 5aps, the proc on these isnt great, it doesnt work in nirvana anyway and your ST is a more effective version. The other option for 5aps is too get the 4aps gears and farm the double recast nirvana legs.
Too be able to wear the claws i wouldnt advice restating as this will hurt your damage in your PvP (bow) spec, get gears that add too your str enough too use the fists/claws. For example, Sky demons pearl, HH80 Pdef belt and best off all get 2 Band of heavens Jail (http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8386). These are all relatively cheap, prob not a huge ammount more than a restat item.
The only parts your paying out on that wont help you in PvP are the Fists/Claws themselves and perhaps some of the +str gears, but some of those you might use anyways (sky demons is a good neck for example).
You wont be putting out as much damage as a 5aps BM for example, but if you get a reasonable refine of say +5 and learn how to do runs quickly and be an asset too a squad your get invited back. Something i would advice is if you have a nice genie keeping using amps and debuffs on bosses, will make people want too take you again, for the slight cost in Pstones for 10min or under nirvana runs...its a good deal.
This means you have a PvP and a PvE (farming) spec. Get the best off both worlds.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
this thread has helped me alot i was already planing on (closer to endgame) TT99 HA belt and necky TT99 ashuras boots adn wrist i have 293k rep getn the last 7k at lvl 100 r8 chest maby warsoul of earth helm r8 bow and posibly Desides claw -.1 int Wing trophy lunar glade energetic i think (-.05) aps im going for the 4.0 or 5.0 to be a aset and maby after i have nirv gears roll a BM Sin or psy (BM and sin for gears) Psy just to goof off and i have acct stash so it gets passsed around
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Vicarcher - Heavens Tear wrote: »this thread has helped me alot i was already planing on (closer to endgame) TT99 HA belt and necky TT99 ashuras boots adn wrist i have 293k rep getn the last 7k at lvl 100 r8 chest maby warsoul of earth helm r8 bow and posibly Desides claw -.1 int Wing trophy lunar glade energetic i think (-.05) aps im going for the 4.0 or 5.0 to be a aset and maby after i have nirv gears roll a BM Sin or psy (BM and sin for gears) Psy just to goof off and i have acct stash so it gets passsed around what do you guys think??
That's a standard build. No one will really criticize you for that build.
Are you Demon? If so, you can get Gorenox Vanity instead of Deicide and still have 5 a/s. GV is usually cheaper.0 -
Gv is not only cheaper, it also doesnt make you look like a moron, and requires less str. As stated in another thread, proc'd gv dmg is about the same as deicide. When 5apsing, you'd be proc'd 87% of the time(iirc).
As for my own build, i'm going with tt99 set, ha orns, with r8 top and lunar cape, wich gets me to 5aps sparked, using gv. I considered getting my reforged nirvana pants, but i didnt, mainly because i would need luad to actually get to 5 base, and 4aps doesnt help me that much in pvp. I only really use my fists for lulz (, for taking out DeathArrow. (I would like to take this chance to nominate him for worst archer on HL.)) and for chi. Once i get decent fists, i'll probably go for 5 base.
@OP: unless your (BM) friends are wealthy enough to afford either luad, reforged nirv or both as soon as you hit 100, you may, for a while, be a more effective fist dd than they are. (because 4 tt99 + deicide + nirv pants cost more than r8 + gv + 4 tt99 or any other (marginally efficient) combination of gear that will get an archer to 5aps. Also, last i checked (the forums, that is) archer fire buff works on fists. (and improves your fist dmg quite a bit during your first demon spark after casting it, if you have demon blazing)
(inb4 the moron that's planning to post any build involving luad, tt100, etc; that's not efficient.)0 -
My archer will be hitting 89 later today and I've been reading as much as I can on high level archers. I really like using my bow and taking down mobs before they can get close to me, so its been fun to level this toon. FC has been fun, since I get lots of chances to open up with BoA.
What I'm wondering is once I hit 100 and move into end game like Nirvana, it sounds like bow archers are basically gone. Everyone wants aps, so that means fists, not bows. Is that really how it works? Am I basically stuck being a less effective BM or Sin? I've seen the demonhunter bow and it seems awesome, but do people actually get to use it in runs?
Just a bit worried before I start plunking down millions on gear that I'm better off just rolling a sin for endgame and leaving my archer to go farm mobs or something.
What do you high level archers say?
I never play my archer anymore since i got assassin on same account to 5.0. Think a huge majority of archers have done the same thing.
If its being useful and needed in pve that you're after, no point investing in the archer. I only use mine if its Rebirth for BH100 and sometimes to grind DQs. If i actually stay up for a TW during the weekend id pick my archer over assassin to.
People generally choose archer over sin for Mass-PvP and TW. Archers is also one if the best classes to get R9 for.
But for 90% of all instances and 1v1 PvP, you would benefit more from making a sin really.
If i play my BM/Sin i honestly hate hate hate to party archers that uses a bow, i think most mele classes with high aps will agree. Archers have a tendency not to wait and let you triple spark/get full aggro before they start attacking. They shoot from range and due to spike dmg, of course get aggro and the mob/boss moves. All mele classes just wasted 3 sparks on nothing and have to move 20+ meters to the archer location to save his butt. Any boss with random aggro will cause the same thing to happen, than its not even the archers fault.0 -
Thanks for all the input. I admit I'm still a bit on the fence. I am in a small faction and don't do PvP or TW, so getting gear for that seems a bit of a waste. It appears I'd still be only using my bow post level 100 for maybe full delta runs, and be fists the rest of the time. I started as a BM but chasing ranged mobs at 60+ was just annoying and I didn't enjoy it that much, which is why I made the archer in the first place. Just seems sad that my bow becomes sort of useless except for farming mobs at endgame.
I suppose bow archers might come into vogue again if the rumored aps nerf happens, but I've yet to see any evidence that will happen in this version of the game.0 -
i went for a -.1 int wep so that i could use a non TT99 neck/belt; as said im not a decides fan i think they make archers look weird so i saved for tt100's. Now tho i can use a Sky Pearl for the 5% hp and the OHT gold belt which has good Hp/Pdef/MdefTigerLily - Lost City wrote: »I never play my archer anymore since i got assassin on same account to 5.0. Think a huge majority of archers have done the same thing.
because there arnt already enough Sin's in this game?
im not saying your wrong, but this is why im not making one to follow the "craze"[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »If i play my BM/Sin i honestly hate hate hate to party archers that uses a bow, i think most mele classes with high aps will agree. Archers have a tendency not to wait and let you triple spark/get full aggro before they start attacking. They shoot from range and due to spike dmg, of course get aggro and the mob/boss moves. All mele classes just wasted 3 sparks on nothing and have to move 20+ meters to the archer location to save his butt. Any boss with random aggro will cause the same thing to happen, than its not even the archers fault.
I imagine that, if you and your archers are capable of talking with each other, and if you are going to be in that instance long enough to learn about how the monsters there behave, you might be able to work out how to make this be efficient.
For example, rather than running up to the monster, sparking, and then running after the monster, you could just have your archer pull the monsters and spark near where they are likely to be running to. If done right, this will save you some of the time you spend running up to the monster.
This also assumes, of course, that the monster is going to live long enough to be worth sparking on... (if it's not that healthy, triple sparking might be a waste of time and chi).
And there's variations on these themes -- some monsters can be stunned, some bosses are vulnerable to sharpened tooth or metal defense reduction, the archer can use a long channelling skill so everyone has some reaction time and can coordinate, and so on. And if you let your archers know when they have done a better than normal job, they might understand you...
But I am still trying to understand how bosses with random aggro and melee attacks are supposed to be handled by archers. The worst case, here, is probably claw barbs that take 10+ seconds to get aggro back. That so very much not fun if it's something like Colluseast.0 -
thx for the help but i want to not look like every other 100 archer around then what gear do i go for?0
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Vicarcher - Heavens Tear wrote: »thx for the help but i want to not look like every other 100 archer around then what gear do i go for?
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im not a crack head ** Axes thats why there are mostly Fist barbs now b:cute and wht alt do i make i was thinki sin but there are just to damn many >.< maby psy? wht u guys think ?0
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I am making an archer because archers are sexy, fun, shoot from distance, have great skills, and r8 + -int + fist can make archers some of the best pve+pvp FUN class imho, like ElenaCostel said.
I do not want to become an aps robot, I want to have fun playing my class. Why hoard cash with one class if you don't enjoy doing it? Play sin 4 hours/day, farm vana, equip ur fun class and enjoy your fun class 1-2 hours per week? No way, lol!
And I think archers are underestimated. Yeah, 5aps sin/bm are good, but each person trashing everything else in their favor is a pure and genuine SNOB.
That being said, I'm not dreaming to be as good as Asterelle, but I'm looking forward to r8:)0 -
... and r8 + -int + fist can make archers some of the best pve+pvp FUN class imho, like ElenaCostel said.
I do not want to become an aps robot, I want to ...
But you just said that.0 -
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i was thinking full lay out of endgame gear bescues i wanna reck ppl b:laugh
listen clostley
5.0 aps
5 atk lvl
EVERYTHING +3 no shards
1. Desides -.10 int
2. Ancestral devine hat (2 pic. +5 attk lvl) + 2.5 attk lvl
3. r8 armor of dem. hunter (-.05 int) -.05 int
4.Shadow ashura greaves (2 pic. +5 attk lvl) +2.5 attk lvl
5.Ashuras boots (2 pic. -.05 int) -.05 int
6.Ashuras wrists (2 pic. -.05 int) -.05 int
7.WTLG (-.05 int) -.05 int
8.lion heart necky (2 pic. -.05 int) -.05 int
9.lion heart belt (2 pic. -.05 int) -.05 int
und. est. resolve +4 str +3 vit
Perfect endgame wrecking archers SO LETS GO SHOW THEM OTHER CLASSES WHOS BOSS!!!!! make them QQ like lil bishes0 -
Vicarcher - Heavens Tear wrote: »i was thinking full lay out of endgame gear bescues i wanna reck ppl b:laugh
listen clostley
5.0 aps
5 atk lvl
EVERYTHING +3 no shards
1. Desides -.10 int
2. Ancestral devine hat (2 pic. +5 attk lvl) + 2.5 attk lvl
3. r8 armor of dem. hunter (-.05 int) -.05 int
4.Shadow ashura greaves (2 pic. +5 attk lvl) +2.5 attk lvl
5.Ashuras boots (2 pic. -.05 int) -.05 int
6.Ashuras wrists (2 pic. -.05 int) -.05 int
7.WTLG (-.05 int) -.05 int
8.lion heart necky (2 pic. -.05 int) -.05 int
9.lion heart belt (2 pic. -.05 int) -.05 int
und. est. resolve +4 str +3 vit
Perfect endgame wrecking archers SO LETS GO SHOW THEM OTHER CLASSES WHOS BOSS!!!!! make them QQ like lil bishes
Hate to break it to you... with that build my bow is at least going to double whatever damage you can dish out. And you are going to be a one shot for half of the server.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
its to do nirv for my psy :P thats all the archer is0
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Vicarcher - Heavens Tear wrote: »its to do nirv for my psy :P thats all the archer is
Let me get this straight... you are going to get an archer to lvl 100 just so you can run a mediocre (at best) nirvana run (with claw/fist) for another class?
Lets face it... with your "planned" gears you are not going to get into any 10 minutes or under run... i highly doubt you'll even get in to a 20 minute squad. So essentially you are going to be running 30 minute runs... for about a best case average of 700-800k per run without double drops. At today's gold to coins ratio... thats less then 2 usd per hour... not even minimum wage.
It might just be me... but as far as i am concerned. Any money runs that yields me (personally) less then 5 gold per hour IS NOT worth my free time. Even then... it'll require some convincing to get me to go.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
I used GV's until I got my TT100 fists for my BM, account stash ftw! 5.0 is a piece of cake for a demon archer, a bit tougher for a sage BM or Sin though.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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