A guide to class complexitiy
AqueoLupas - Lost City
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no i haven't played all the classes but using info experience and estimation i fuigured out this the older the class(and i know that human,untamed,and evles came out at the same time) the least complex it is so it goes somthing like this
At the bottom of the complexity chain is the human race this is because they are pure damage dealars so what is there to think about at the bottom of the human complexity is the warrior he (no offense to you BM's) justs has to use various skills to bash those mobs on the head.The wizard has a bit of a more compicated problem he has to worry about squishyness and has to utilize the right spells so that he can kill a mob before he is killed.
next is the untamed race they require a bit more thinking than humans beacause of their ability to shape-shift. Barbs however require less thinking then venos because there tank ability leaves room for trial and error on top of them are the venos they are required to think of how to use their pet and attack without diveting aggro to themselves.
third on the complexity list are the elves. when it comes to stratigy the elven archer needs it but not as much as celtric while the archer worries of sniping without getting hit much like the mage the celtirc has to utilize his/her heals while fighting the monsters.
second to top on the comlexity chain are the tideborn. when it comes to thinking things befor the attack tideborn is second to first that needs it.below the phyics are the sins they have to asesses how to take down the enemy befor the fight because of their supreme squishyness and not-so-supreme damage the phyic is above the sin not beacause of need to suirvie but their versital (excuse my spelling) roles they can heal DoT more or less tank (with the right build and buffss) and do plain 'ol damage
the race that is number one is the earthgaurd.due to little info on them i ca only say that seekers are more complex than BM's beacuse their ability to do melee and ranged damge and at the top of the top is the mystic they require more thinking than anybody else beacuse they are the phyic the,the veno,the mage (not beacuase of damge but super fast mana usage),and the celtirc all in one the package deal with a little bit of evrey thing they cannot go ahead with out thinking things through they use a combonation of summons (both plant and normal),heals,and damage dealing all the while keeping an eye on their mana these componets when taken apart are not so great if not horrible but with a skilled tactist they can be explioted to their max potential
so there you are and my advice if you are a lazy thinker don't be earthquard because even though you may suirvive you will not use ur max potential and if you love the feeling of carring out an excuted plan dont be human because with massive damage at you finger tips whats their to think about?
last of all i would like to say that this is just an estimate some of my info may be wrong and you are free to comment about it also as i cannot stop it anyway critizim is expected and i will accept it if it is useful
thank you for looking at this fourm
Aqueolupas
At the bottom of the complexity chain is the human race this is because they are pure damage dealars so what is there to think about at the bottom of the human complexity is the warrior he (no offense to you BM's) justs has to use various skills to bash those mobs on the head.The wizard has a bit of a more compicated problem he has to worry about squishyness and has to utilize the right spells so that he can kill a mob before he is killed.
next is the untamed race they require a bit more thinking than humans beacause of their ability to shape-shift. Barbs however require less thinking then venos because there tank ability leaves room for trial and error on top of them are the venos they are required to think of how to use their pet and attack without diveting aggro to themselves.
third on the complexity list are the elves. when it comes to stratigy the elven archer needs it but not as much as celtric while the archer worries of sniping without getting hit much like the mage the celtirc has to utilize his/her heals while fighting the monsters.
second to top on the comlexity chain are the tideborn. when it comes to thinking things befor the attack tideborn is second to first that needs it.below the phyics are the sins they have to asesses how to take down the enemy befor the fight because of their supreme squishyness and not-so-supreme damage the phyic is above the sin not beacause of need to suirvie but their versital (excuse my spelling) roles they can heal DoT more or less tank (with the right build and buffss) and do plain 'ol damage
the race that is number one is the earthgaurd.due to little info on them i ca only say that seekers are more complex than BM's beacuse their ability to do melee and ranged damge and at the top of the top is the mystic they require more thinking than anybody else beacuse they are the phyic the,the veno,the mage (not beacuase of damge but super fast mana usage),and the celtirc all in one the package deal with a little bit of evrey thing they cannot go ahead with out thinking things through they use a combonation of summons (both plant and normal),heals,and damage dealing all the while keeping an eye on their mana these componets when taken apart are not so great if not horrible but with a skilled tactist they can be explioted to their max potential
so there you are and my advice if you are a lazy thinker don't be earthquard because even though you may suirvive you will not use ur max potential and if you love the feeling of carring out an excuted plan dont be human because with massive damage at you finger tips whats their to think about?
last of all i would like to say that this is just an estimate some of my info may be wrong and you are free to comment about it also as i cannot stop it anyway critizim is expected and i will accept it if it is useful
thank you for looking at this fourm
Aqueolupas
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second to top on the comlexity chain are the tideborn. when it comes to thinking things befor the attack tideborn is second to first that needs it.below the phyics are the sins they have to asesses how to take down the enemy befor the fight because of their supreme squishyness and not-so-supreme damage the phyic is above the sin not beacause of need to suirvie but their versital (excuse my spelling) roles they can heal DoT more or less tank (with the right build and buffss) and do plain 'ol damage
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I don't see the point of this thread at all. OP, if you're trying to give everyone helpful advice...just don't. Or wait until you really know what you're talking about x.x0
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AqueoLupas - Lost City wrote: »last of all i would like to say that this is just an estimate some of my info may be wrong and you are free to comment about it also as i cannot stop it anyway critizim is expected and i will accept it if it is useful
Aqueolupas
The only part that is actually true.
Venos and Mystics don't have to think, just send pet, wait for mob to die, heal pet, rinse, repeat. No mana cost and no repairs.
And also, Assassins are just spark auto-attack, that's even less thinking.
Actually, no class really takes brain-power to use.How come, if someone asks a question in a forum, at least 13/20 posts answers the question in the same exact way, 5/20 word the exact same answer differently and 2/20 say something completely unrelated to both life and death?0 -
ya i know its stupid but 1 im bored 2 im waiting for down load (wictch is takeing FOEVER so i made a stupid threadb:laugh0
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Omea - Lost City wrote: »The only part that is actually true.
Venos and Mystics don't have to think, just send pet, wait for mob to die, heal pet, rinse, repeat. No mana cost and no repairs.
And also, Assassins are just spark auto-attack, that's even less thinking.
Actually, no class really takes brain-power to use.
Archer, Wizard, and Cleric use a bit more brain.
Like keeping range with mobs so *click* *click* *click* the ground a lot
Adrenaline that mobs coming to you straight away without a pet / summon defend you
Heal heal heal is part of grinding . .
The angry archer when their disable or killing blow arrow missed . .
With their last breath mobs do one last hit to you . . even though your combo supposedly able to kill them before reaching you.
Oh and seeker because you have too see is the de buff already active or not.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Aqueo, you probably shouldn't start a guide like this until you've played every single class, because a lot of this has no basis in fact. Heck, I have played every class, and I still wouldn't feel comfortable writing a guide like this, because I haven't reached decent levels with some of them, so have no idea about what their general gameplay is like. And that's on top of the fact that "complexity" is highly subjective.
Yeah, a BM is simple if you just think of it as "smash in face until it dies, repeat"... but then you get into all the weapon paths, and which armor to go with (or maybe both?). Do you want a heavy-hitting HA axe BM with lots of fun AOEs, or a fast-hitting-but-squishier LA fist BM? Just deciding what build to do alone can be hair-pullingly complex, much less if you decide to use mulitple weapons at the same time.
On the opposite side, yeah, Mystics are complex, if you micro-manage your pet at the same time that you're casting. But they have the same just-sic-pet-on-it-til-it-dies ability as Venos... what could be more simple?
It's an interesting discussion to have. Maybe next time, you should just ask the people who've played most of the classes, and get a discussion going. Instead of writing up a bogus 'guide' "because you're bored."
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OP be trollliiinnnggggg b:shocked
He trollin' you allzzzZZzZzZZzzz
btw sins take epic brain power. You can't play a sin if you isn't a geniamooss. I mean it's not just sarking and auto atacking oh no. You have to remember to blood paint too b:shockedb:shockedb:shocked
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AqueoLupas - Lost City wrote: »the celtirc has to utilize his/her heals while fighting the monsters.
What's a celtric? o.o
On a more serious note, I kinda disagree with your post.BMs don't just auto-attack-smash-the-mobs till they're dead.In my opinion you actually need to know how the class in order to play it properly.At least that's how I see it (haven't played a BM myself b:surrender).
Assasins complex?pffft.Honestly, I barely see one actually using their skills, just spark-auto-attack-spark-auto attack-occasional extreme poison-spark-auto...owaitmobdead.Just don't forget to use bloodpaint! ^^
No offence, but this guide's dumb b:surrender0 -
if there were poll what class needz most of brain usage to play. i'd vote wizard. terrible lots of wizard have problems with 1-90, but they are pretty easynon-cs0
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If you put that poll up, I'd personally spam every moderator on the forum to change it so every answer was 'Most people who play PWI', since quite obviously, there are a lot of idiots playing that have no idea what they're doing.
I've seen Clerics at 80 who have no idea what healing is. Fist/bow clerics. Psy that had a legendary +8 soulsphere with a flawless Garnet in it, and way out-leveled, vendor trash armor. That idiot pulled aggro on everything, and died in one hit every time. And wtf, a garnet? I've seen Arcane Barbs. Barbs that didn't have a CLUE what their skills were. Barbs that insisted it was better to tank in human form. Sins that would follow a Veno's pulling pet right into a group of mobs, and then die.
You want me to go on?101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
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Soira - Raging Tide wrote: »What's a celtric? o.o
On a more serious note, I kinda disagree with your post.BMs don't just auto-attack-smash-the-mobs till they're dead.In my opinion you actually need to know how the class in order to play it properly.At least that's how I see it (haven't played a BM myself b:surrender).
Assasins complex?pffft.Honestly, I barely see one actually using their skills, just spark-auto-attack-spark-auto attack-occasional extreme poison-spark-auto...owaitmobdead.Just don't forget to use bloodpaint! ^^
No offence, but this guide's dumb b:surrender
The spark > auto attack thing really only useful on bosses. I actually use my sins aoe's a lot while grinding.Some people risk to employ me
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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That's exactly what I thought xD
I think the OP has never seen a sin.0 -
Soira - Raging Tide wrote: »What's a celtric? o.o
On a more serious note, I kinda disagree with your post.BMs don't just auto-attack-smash-the-mobs till they're dead.In my opinion you actually need to know how the class in order to play it properly.At least that's how I see it (haven't played a BM myself b:surrender).
Assasins complex?pffft.Honestly, I barely see one actually using their skills, just spark-auto-attack-spark-auto attack-occasional extreme poison-spark-auto...owaitmobdead.Just don't forget to use bloodpaint! ^^
No offence, but this guide's dumb b:surrender
You are wrong. First of all, on a PVE perspective, there is no need for the Extreme Poison skill, especially since it can be replaced by Subsea Strike. A wise assassin also uses Rib Strike every 30 seconds, to minimize the amount of hits taken and decrease the attack speed of a mob/boss. An even wiser assassin can tank most bossess without a cleric (and succeed). No offence, but your judgemental attitude is bad for your health. It's a game, remember ?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Play a mystic and say that again.Omea - Lost City wrote: »The only part that is actually true.
Venos and Mystics don't have to think, just send pet, wait for mob to die, heal pet, rinse, repeat. No mana cost and no repairs.
And venos use MP as well >>.0 -
topic should be called writing complexity, dont know exactly what was you trying to say, but all classes are complex if you dont know what you doing... :P0
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Omea - Lost City wrote: »The only part that is actually true.
Venos and Mystics don't have to think, just send pet, wait for mob to die, heal pet, rinse, repeat. No mana cost and no repairs.
And also, Assassins are just spark auto-attack, that's even less thinking.
Actually, no class really takes brain-power to use.
LOL at the part for mystics, really. It looks like you never played one...
1. As for the mana usage, well venos need too but between Nature's Grace and Soul Transfusion, they hardly ever have troubles keeping their mana up. Go try a mystic and talk about the mana cost, really x_x. I'm not complaining at all, I got used to it and just think other classes have their own big costs, but it's a fact that mystics are the biggest mana suckers ever. Especially if, like me, you keep passing mana to summons in order to use their skills., which veno don't need to use their pets.
2. Also, HAHAHAHA to the "send pet, heal, wait for mob to die". Personally, I try to maximize my char's potential and take advantage of ALL his abilities. Try to use right summons skills, use plant debuffs, support heal squad member's, watch cleric's hp, keep the cleric rez buffed, DD, don't forget to watch summon's hp too, watch your mana take a dive every 10 sec, and all this more or less at the same time. Trust me, you gotta be focused and not have something else in mind than what you're doing.
This was one of the only things the OP was right about. Mystics recquire quite alot of brain usage, and having multi-task abilities.0 -
Abstractive - Archosaur wrote: »You are wrong. First of all, on a PVE perspective, there is no need for the Extreme Poison skill, especially since it can be replaced by Subsea Strike. A wise assassin also uses Rib Strike every 30 seconds, to minimize the amount of hits taken and decrease the attack speed of a mob/boss. An even wiser assassin can tank most bossess without a cleric (and succeed). No offence, but your judgemental attitude is bad for your health. It's a game, remember ?
*scratches top of head* Well I admit that when I posted I completely forgot about subsea.My bad, sorry b:surrender
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Read what I said, "send pet, wait for mob to die, heal pet, rinse repeat". NOT "send pet, faceroll key-board, spam mana-pots, rinse, repeat".
If you only heal the pet you get no repairs and little to no mana-cost.How come, if someone asks a question in a forum, at least 13/20 posts answers the question in the same exact way, 5/20 word the exact same answer differently and 2/20 say something completely unrelated to both life and death?0 -
Just sitting there and wait for pet/summon to kill stuff for you is kinda boring... b:sweat0
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I wouldn't be playing mystic if that was so easy. Not to mention that if you only rely on a summon to kill a mob it's gonna take 3x times longer, you're gonna be bored to hell and either way if you try to nuke the target, you're gonna steal aggro at the first attack (that's my case). Summons are extra DDs, not tanks or soloers.0
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I've tried most classes. Didn't play barb, didn't play archer (at least not high enuf).
I can say this much :
- There is more to clerics then meets the eye. Healing/Purifying/BB/RB/DD/AoE...way more complex then i'd ever imagined.
- Sin. One word : Demon. nuff said.
- Veno : like posted above : send - heal - kill - goto line 100.
- for new classes : only tried seeker so far. Not high enough to comment much.
- BM : involves a lot more thought then you might think. I hate the different skillpaths, esp when you have one that isn't really used much. (or not at all.)
I would just ask a lvl 100+ of each class to sum up the likes and dislikes, then combine that into an "opinion review". but absolutely not make a "guide".0 -
to the people who keep saying this either 1-havnt played mystic or 2-are total fail mystics. if you seriously only send your pet out and wait for it to die, u are taking 10x longer to kill a monster than you should be.Soira - Raging Tide wrote: »Just sitting there and wait for pet/summon to kill stuff for you is kinda boring... b:sweat[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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you're confusing "wisdom and skill" with "interval and refines"Abstractive - Archosaur wrote: »You are wrong. First of all, on a PVE perspective, there is no need for the Extreme Poison skill, especially since it can be replaced by Subsea Strike. A wise assassin also uses Rib Strike every 30 seconds, to minimize the amount of hits taken and decrease the attack speed of a mob/boss. An even wiser assassin can tank most bossess without a cleric (and succeed). No offence, but your judgemental attitude is bad for your health. It's a game, remember ?
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Vixter - Harshlands wrote: »to the people who keep saying this either 1-havnt played mystic or 2-are total fail mystics. if you seriously only send your pet out and wait for it to die, u are taking 10x longer to kill a monster than you should be.
Well, that's what I really meant and I agree with you.Why would I just send my pet for the mob and just sit there and look at it killing my mob? o.o I certainly don't do that on my veno... b:sweat0 -
Ok, I'm not the pro player, but I'd like to have my 3 cents in this topic. So:
1. Blademasters:
- AoE grinding isn't so brainless
- playing an all-weapon path BM and using skills of all weapons requires a lot of thinking both in PvE in PvP, it can make BM really great or really bad
- APS BMs are like Aura of the Golden Bell -> Spark -> Autoattack ......................... Spark.............. Spark............ Diamond Sutra.... Spark...... zzzzz... *snore*
2. Wizards - they require a lot of thinking. Being so squishy isn't easy. Wizards have great potential, but are hard to play. Class for ppl who know what they're doing.
3. Barbarians - They also require a bit of knowledge, holding aggro and catapulling in PvP isn't piece of cake. Just like BM though, APS Barbs aree booooooooooooooooooring
4. Venomancers:
a) PvE - piece of cake
b) PvP - here Venos have to know sth about multitasking. It's not so easy anymore.
5. Archers - well, pretty same as Wizards, just that they have one more irritating thing - taking care of ammunition...
6. Clerics - now these ones require a lot of brain. If u don't pay attention to what you're doing, u may destroy whole squad...
7. Assasins - LMAO, unless they're non-APS
8. Psychics - Kinda like Wizards, but they are a bit easier to play, I think
9. Seekers - With the mix of Melee/Range Physical/Magical attack and without stunning skills except Voidstep they are a bit of challenge. They have great potential in PvP due to their AoEs, especially Genimi Slash combined with Debuff, but it's not for brainless people. The most interesting meele class IMHO.
10. Mystics:
a) Solo PvE - Venos with much weaker pets and much bigger MP usage. Still easy and comfortable
b) Bosses, FBs, BHs, and all that stuff - now here you need to know really well how to multitask, because you are to:
- keep Cleric Rez buffed
- watch Cleric's [and Barb's if u have to] HP
- watch your Summon's HP
- use plants wisely and watch out when are they going to disappear
- DD in every second you don't have to do anything from above list
- did I mention you're gonna burn whole MP bar in few seconds?
c) PvP - again, kinda like Veno, but:
- Pets > Summons
- remember about plants
- Mystics are much more squishy than HA Venos (Or HA/AA ones), so u need to remember about self-healing
So, reasuming:
1. Boring classes, not requiring much of a brain:
- APS classes, mostly Sins and BMs
2. Classes requiring some thinking:
- non-APS Barbs, Sins and BMs
3. Classes requiring a lot of thinking:
- Wizards, Psychics, Archers, Clerics
4. Classes easy to play, but requiring a lot of thinking to be played really well:
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Vixter - Harshlands wrote: »to the people who keep saying this either 1-havnt played mystic or 2-are total fail mystics. if you seriously only send your pet out and wait for it to die, u are taking 10x longer to kill a monster than you should be.
I usually send my mystie's pet out then I work on another mob while my pet is killing his own mob... 2x the kill in less than 2 minutes >:D[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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AqueoLupas - Lost City wrote: »no i haven't played all the classes but using info experience and estimation i fuigured out this the older the class(and i know that human,untamed,and evles came out at the same time) the least complex
I think it's one of the evles classes. b:chuckleSoira - Raging Tide wrote: »What's a celtric? o.o[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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