Lets talk about Stream of Rejuvinations correct use...

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · March 2011

On my barb I have been getting healed more and more with only, or primarily, Stream of Rejuvination. SoR is a great heal but its being used to stack me during bosses like BH3-3. IHs heal over time (HoT) is much stronger than SoRs.

Skill Descriptions

SoR
Heal the target's HP, recovering 1230 plus 50%
of your base magic attack and an additional
1230 HP over 15 seconds.

IH
Bless the target to recover 714 HP plus 30% of
your base magic attack over 15 seconds.

I asked some clerics their reasons for using SoR. One said "its a better heal overall, just takes longer to cast so once I had enough channeling I stopped using IH." Another said (and I actually liked this) that they stack the tank with SoR once then IH,IH,IH,IH... and then hit the people who are are attacked with random aggro with SoR. Personally I would have hit them with wellspring, faster channeling and heals almost everyone in 1 WS, just like SoR only quicker.

I also have noticed a DD cleric who was DDing in Nirvana and instead of stacking a few IHs would just give the occasional blast of a heal with SoR. It worked. I didn't die while I tanked Nirvana bosses, but I would watch my hp get very low before I got the next SoR blast, lol.

So, what would you guys say the best time to use SoR is, and when should you use IH, WS, or a combo.

Jamiesangus - Lost City · March 2011

normally i only use it when the tank needs a big hp boost at once then ill go back to IH. like in frost if im slow getting to a boss and they have started already ill hit IH twice then stream then IH from then on

magena · March 2011

I use SoR, especially in Nirvana, on one of the other DDs that typically pull aggro off the tank. Being demon, it gives the added physical defence buff, buying me time to WS him/her and then continue with IH. Add with 51% reduced channeling and Relentless Courage, I often find myself casting SoR in dire situations that need large amounts of HP returned in the shortest time possible.

Gol_D_Chad - Sanctuary · March 2011

Jamiesangus - Lost City wrote: »

normally i only use it when the tank needs a big hp boost at once then ill go back to IH. like in frost if im slow getting to a boss and they have started already ill hit IH twice then stream then IH from then on

Similarly to me. on any tank needing a lot of hp regained in a critical moment, i would use stream and hope i can heal in time, then i would stack IHS.

Back to the OP,i'm wondering why there are some clerics who use stream when any random class loses damage. The best method (that i use) would be to use wellspring and then IH b4 tank regains aggro or if another class takes aggro for some period of time, I would wellspring and then stack IHs or alternate IHs and wellspring if the person is getting hit hard.

Soira - Raging Tide · March 2011

I only use it when my target needs to get a lot of hp back and I can afford the channeling time SoR has.Otherwise, I just stack IH or spam wellspring (or maybe alternate both :P).Depends b:cute

Jellytoast - Sanctuary · March 2011

I usually use SoR on a barb with either a charm about to tick or who doesn't have one and is about to die. They have a lot more hp, so I never bother with wellspring on them. Plus, once I cast SoR, there's already a HoT going so I can get IH stacked. But I'd never use SoR as a primary heal.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · March 2011

Soira - Raging Tide wrote: »

I only use it when my target needs to get a lot of hp back and I can afford the channeling time SoR has.Otherwise, I just stack IH or spam wellspring (or maybe alternate both :P).Depends b:cute

same. hence the reason i dont use SoR at all personally >.> i feel like i can get 2 wellsprings and an IH in by the time it takes to cast a SoR...but thats just me

FatherTed - Dreamweaver · March 2011

Honestly, I almost never use SoR anyway . . . wish I had the money back I wasted on the sage version

As the young lady above me said, why bother when I can get in 2 wellsprings and have time left over?

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary · March 2011

I use it after rezzing someone. SoR, then a wellspring to top them off. 2-3 SoR's if it's a Barb.

SoR is kinda lowish on my Cleric, I haven't put a lot into it, honestly, so... its not of much use really.

If i could cut the channel time on SoR down with enough -channel gear, I'd probably max it and use it instead of Wellspring. But, I just got wellspring to 10, and for the time being, it's a nuke heal for me. If there's a BM or Sin and they're getting down into the 'oh ****' range, one wellspring is usually enough to get them to 80%, if not full.

On the other hand, if you start casting SoR before the damage comes in, you can time it pretty well without a ton of -channeling. I would rather not do this, just in case a boss gets a crit on the tank or something. IH is my friend.

oralon · March 2011

Personally, I would just use it after a fight if for some reason the person's health was >65% and wellspring wore off...Needless to say, I wouldn't be using it often. b:laugh

Edit: And if stream became more mana efficient.

Boots_Elf - Sanctuary · March 2011

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I use it after rezzing someone. SoR, then a wellspring to top them off. 2-3 SoR's if it's a Barb.

Ditto!!! I never use Stream at all except in the above case.

HaveanLight - Heavens Tear · March 2011

Well , for me , i use SoR as an emergency heals b:question
When IH is not working to keep a tank alive(1/2hp)b:shocked, i spam like 2 SoR in row so as to boost up the hp of the tank(barb).

I know it is a long channeling spell, but it act like 2 spell in one cast (IH+ wellsprings )b:victory

Eden - Raging Tide · March 2011

i can understand why the poster or two who never even leveled sor dont value the skill... duh... but i cant understand why one would esp be demon and never use demon sor... its very good for quick pulls while throwing a stack or two of ih

TrueHarmony - Archosaur · March 2011

I use it when either: A. The tank has full ih stack and is still dropping below half, the instant heal helps the ih's catch up. or

when ive been careless and the tank doesnt have ih when he should, i stream to make up for the loss then start stacking ih lol.

Although now that i have sage well spring i use that as a spot heal instead, sage wellspring doesnt joke around lol

Balthier - Dreamweaver · March 2011

I didn't use SoR that much before I got lvl 100 and learned Demon Stream of Rejuvenation. The story now is quite different.

Well, seeing as my BM is pretty squishy still (7k HP unbuffed), when me and my wife duo TT's etc she usually drops wings, two IHs and demon SoR on me before I run in to grab agro on harder bosses. This gives us both ample time for me to place the boss where we want it, and she can set BB or start IH'ing without fearing any heal agro.

It pumps my phy def up from 75 to 81% which is making me take almost 25% less physical damage. It is a very good safeline to have.

It is also very useful when we do easier bosses; then she can focus on debuffing and DDing and just drop me a SoR and an IH now and then. It easily takes my HP from 2k to 9k in one go as well as making me take alot less damage for the duration of the skill. (This is a good way for a cleric to burn through mana like nothing though, but mp foods are so cheap that we don't worry that much about it).

It is also good when squishys are tanking bosses that hurt them (sins/archers mainly, but also BMs and barbs depending on boss and gear). The boost to physical defence is amazing, so using SoR every 15 seconds with IH's in between will keep almost any tank alive unless they are one-shots.

I have demon SoR myself, and I use them for the same situations, and I have to say that when you reach about 30% channeling and better, this skill is just ridiculous b:dirty

So yeah, loving demon Stream, but spamming it... No no no! Other than the fact that spamming it should never be needed, it takes 1000mp pr. cast b:laugh.

(Inb4 Mystics use 1000 mp when they sneeze!)

Frostwish - Raging Tide · March 2011

Slow Clerics are slow. So whenever I reach a boss, the tank usually has about 10% hp down. It's still easy to get it back up with Ironheart, but sometimes on other bosses where the tank's HP starts going down fast, and he has a charm, I usually hit SoR. (I absolutely hate charm ticks) cause it makes me feel like a fail Cleric. b:chuckle

I don't use SoR in TT much, since it's just mainly BB, but in FC... yeah.

First boss - Just IH and IH, but sometimes lazy barb likes to tank circles instead of running out of them. xD So then I just cast one or two SoRs and go back to IH. Sometimes I go Metal mage and start DDing when tank's HP is full and will stay full, and then go back to healing after I deboof the boss.

Second boss - Meh, bubble boss, I just Purify and give a few IHs here and there.

Third boss - Dragoon boss, I use it often on the tank. (I mostly use SoR on Barbs or BMs with a good amount of HP.) Usually I start off with one SoR, and stack with IHs. If Dragoons start attacking other party members, I use SoR for BMs or Sins with high HP to get their HP up quick. Wellspring for Magic classes to get their HP up.

Fourth boss - Bishop boss, not much SoR here, just spam Chromatic Heal and stack IH on barb. Sometimes a quick Wellspring on magic classes being attacked by the Bishop.

Fifth boss - Slasher boss, IH stack on tank, sometimes drop an SoR just because the barb likes to Spark and AD, but sometimes times it incorrectly and gets hit once or twice. Chromatic heal for the AoE dmg.

6th boss - Claw boss, usually Chromatic heal, but sometimes I get a little behind on IH stacks and the tank's HP gets low from the boss' AoE, so I use SoR quite a bit on this boss.

7th boss - Oceanic Master or something, don't really use SoR, just Chromatic after his AoE and IH stack on tank.

For all the other bosses I just IH/Chromatic and BB.

Berys - Harshlands · March 2011

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Balthier confirmed that it does stack with IH so this comment has been deleted. I'd checked it myself at one point but think I started my timer at the wrong point. Carry on discussions.

Jellytoast - Sanctuary · March 2011

Berys - Harshlands wrote: »

Something I'd like to bring up, and this may have changed since the last time I checked: at one point the heal over time from Stream didn't stack with Ironheart's heal. Unless this has been fixed it essentially turns Stream into a slow, powerful Surge when followed by Ironheart.

For this reason I only really use Stream after a ress like when someone gets stupid at the slasher boss in FC.

If this bug has been fixed let me know and I'll go ahead and delete this comment since it serves no purpose.

It either stacks or completely overwrites, which to me isn't that big of a deal either way, since you can usually get someone's hp up fast with SoR+IH anyways. I don't even know if IH stacks with psy bubble, but same thing for that. b:victory

Mendy__ - Sanctuary · March 2011

Stream's heal over time completely overwrites IH's heal over time and vice versa... that's why whenever someone brings up the argument how they love the pdef buff that comes from Demon stream... and blah blah that's why they went demon, i say you are better off going sage and using IH + Vanguard Spirit combo -- I rarely ever use stream unless i miscalculated how much damage the tank was going to take and I use it to catch up

(this is just my play style-- there are good demon clerics and good sage clerics, my example was just some of the few i have met in a certain situation)

jiq · March 2011

I have demon SoR, so I often cast it at boss fights for extra p.def. Other than that, I use it when the Barb is missing 50% HP or more. This can be because I lag or I chat too much and can't heal soon enough, lol.

Balthier - Dreamweaver · March 2011

Berys - Harshlands wrote: »

Something I'd like to bring up, and this may have changed since the last time I checked: at one point the heal over time from Stream didn't stack with Ironheart's heal. Unless this has been fixed it essentially turns Stream into a slow, powerful Surge when followed by Ironheart.

For this reason I only really use Stream after a ress like when someone gets stupid at the slasher boss in FC.

If this bug has been fixed let me know and I'll go ahead and delete this comment since it serves no purpose.

Mendy__ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Stream's heal over time completely overwrites IH's heal over time and vice versa... that's why whenever someone brings up the argument how they love the pdef buff that comes from Demon stream... and blah blah that's why they went demon, i say you are better off going sage and using IH + Vanguard Spirit combo -- I rarely ever use stream unless i miscalculated how much damage the tank was going to take and I use it to catch up

(this is just my play style-- there are good demon clerics and good sage clerics, my example was just some of the few i have met in a certain situation)

Your sources are wrong, this has been tested a while back and they have been proven to stack with eachother. I would appreaciate that you try not to spread misinformation to newer clerics as fact without backing it up with a source. I will try to look for the thread with the testing and add the link here, but yeah, they stack b:cute

Edit: Found the thread: SoR & IH stacking tested.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · March 2011

I also use SoR if I can tell ahead of time that DD's constant aggro stealing is going to get them killed. I'll IH the tank about 4-5 times, then SoR instead of debuffing/attacking, and then back to the tank again. This usually gives the Tank enough time to get the aggro back each time. Espeically since I have semi-decent channeling at 15%

AntiSacer - Dreamweaver · March 2011

It is the best heal overall for sure. But if you don't want to waste mp like a mystic do, keep using the IronHeart blessing.

So, why to heal a papermade 2k hp Archer or wizard with a heal which heals up to 3~4k hp?

Why to heal a full HP tanker with that? Just keep on Ironhearts to hold his HP like full. If he starts to lose many hp, or if you need to stop Ironhearting to resurrect someone, then its the right time to SoR, otherwise it will be a waste of MP.
PS: If you're the main Healer, make sure you know what are you doing when you stop healing the tank. IF THE TANK DIES, YOU'RE THE NEXT.
And to papermade DD's, wellspring surge is enough.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · March 2011

Well, for aggro switching I try to keep an IH on each of my aggroers because SoR's stack is weaker. That way when aggro bounces again they have a stronger stack than what SoR would have given. Then there is less of a rush to save them since their is still Heal over time on each aggroer.

I wanted to slap a cleric the other day because she kept SoRing people as aggro bounced, rather than just hit them with one WS each. Aggro would change and she'd be on top of it and start SoR but by the time the heal cast their charm would have ticked and she was giving this big heal to people who had full health and were charm tanking. Almost suggested we kick cleric and bloodpaint tank instead since we had a veno to debuff and were charm tanking anyways.

Forgot that demon gave you a defense bump, which would explain why a cleric was SoRing me before pulls in FCC. My barbs high enough level that it doesn't need to be stacked before pulling, but seeing a cleric stack me with SoR was lik "wtf?". I think the cleric was too low a level to have demon SoR, but I could be wrong.

I had a friend build up their channeling to make SoR their main heal. Fine. They're a good cleric and it worked okay. They then dumped all their channeling gear in exchange for defense gear down to about -30% channeling because all the channeling for SoR was messing them up when spamming IH and WS or their attacks. Considering if I plan on using SoR as more than a defense buff I might want to carry a second set of channeling gear to make it worth it.

GdByeElsA - Sanctuary · April 2011

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

same. hence the reason i dont use SoR at all personally >.> i feel like i can get 2 wellsprings and an IH in by the time it takes to cast a SoR...but thats just me

wellspring: 1 sec cast and 1.5 sec channeling =2.5
iornheart: 1 sec cast and 1 sec channeling = 2
Stream: 1 sec cast and 2.5 sec channeling = 3.5

To your example above, 2 wellspring and 1 ih = 3 sec cast and 4 sec channeling = 7 seconds

if you include -%chan gear, lets say 24%
2 WS + 1 IH = 3 sec cast + 3.04 sec channeling = 6.04
1 stream = 1 sec cast + 1.9 sec channeling = 2.9

Well, what about 1 wellspring and 1 ih? (assume -24% chan)
1 WS + 1 IH = 2 sec cast + 1.9 sec channeling = 3.9
1 stream = 1 sec cast + 1.9 sec channeling = 2.9

If you have -0% channeling
1 WS + 1 IH = 2 sec cast + 2.5 sec chan = 4.5
1 stream = 1 sec cast + 2.5 sec chan = 3.5

The 3.5 sec cast+channeling for stream might 'feel' like it took you 10 years to cast the skill, but in reality, it is actually faster than 1 ws+ 1ih.

Stream is still faster and u heal more in a shorter period of time. The more channeling the more effective your stream is.

Ilyrec - Archosaur · April 2011

IH rules supreme. Deal with it.

SoR = when someone just got ressed / they need a really big heal...

OFC, there is a side note. When you aquire big -channel (30, 40%), and according to my complicated maths (My main is an archer, what can I say?) SoR is actually more efficient (heal wise, certainly not mana-wise) for heals o.o

OH OH OH tip: On some bosses, I have a heal macro: REPEAT [ IH>SoR>IH>Puri)
lets me go afk on bosses, without BB, and works for bosses that have debuffs o.o

GdByeElsA - Sanctuary · April 2011

macro heal is the way to go

Sukinee - Heavens Tear · April 2011

I only use SoR when the tank needs a huge boost, at that point I use demon eruption to make the channeling go faster. I don't understand why people would spam that skill...takes too long to cast and such a waste of mp T_T. Although I still want demon SoR b:dirty

On a normal basis I like to mix demon ironheart, and also wellspring, for a quick heal and also the mp recovery for the tanks makes them very happy b:thanks

Bollocks - Raging Tide · April 2011

I only use Demon SoR on myself b:dirty

Lets talk about Stream of Rejuvinations correct use...

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