Messing with the calc

That build has 4.8k hp and only 2.5 aps, which means you aren't quite perma sparking. Even with 25% damage reduction you still run the risk of being one shotted. Your random placement of JoSD will help reduce damage but not the zerks of you GoF on your weapon, which will also help kill you.

No offense, but I'm guessing you're a level 30 playing with endgame gear? Your tome doesn't exist, DoT or Vit stones in the armor. Replace the Nirvana pieces with TT99LA and the LA ornies with TT99 HA. and if you're going endgame may as well have Lunar Cape, too.

Honestly your set-up is kinda weird, with unexisting gears and all. I'd say Skai's setup is good, but for sage (I am sage myself) I'd change 2 things :
- Not hp shards, cause 10k+ hp is kinda useless. Rather JoSD/DoD for damage reduc, or DoT for damage, maybe a mix. I consider 5k hp the minimum acceptable hp at 100+, and getting above 7.5k is not so usefull with sage spark. (not even wurlords mag att will 1 hit you with 7k+ hp in sage spark)
- If you have the means, avoid stopping G13 vana. A 2nd cast (even without -0.05 int) or r9 is just way better. At 2.5 aps with genie/skills you can perma spark. The -0.1 int isn't worth the damage loss compared to a G15 vana or r9.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Your random placement of JoSD will help reduce damage but not the zerks of you GoF on your weapon, which will also help kill you.

Just for the good order, zerk won't kill you as sage sin (assuming they have sage bp). Loosing 250 hp when bloodsuck goes from 300 to 600 makes it completely neutral on hp. Even on a demon/lvl10 bp it won't really kill anyone unless you're a sin with ridiculous high hp ofc :P

xennui wrote: »

But wouldnt sage bp out heal zerk (5% of 7.5k < 3% of 2 x 8.7k(avg)) or would would bp not work when zerk hits? Though I dont see why it wouldnt.

None taken,

It's 5% of your max HP, so even considering that it would kill you is hilarious.

xennui wrote: »

I see but, couldnt you activate Wind shield right before the spark? My genie only has ToP/SW and I wasnt planning on messing with other skills till later so i dont know what it does exactly.

Wind Shield has an 8 second duration, so using it before sparking would mean you'd only be looking at 5 seconds of the actual effect due to the animation.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

- There is 1 hat that is actually better, nirvana LA hat. It has less str req, so you'll have more dex, plus a good dex add. Also If you match it with your leggings, you'll get +5 att lvl. In terms of hp, the hat has lower hp add, but refines better. At +8 or higher, the hat and warsoul are quite similar in terms of hp.

Actually:
Warsoul of Earth +8: 1084 hp
Ancestral Divine Hat +8: 913 hp

You need +12 on both for Ancestral Divine Hat to give more +life, and even then it's only 15 more than Warsoul of Earth.

Ancestral Divine Hat also costs about 120,000,000+, whereas a Warsoul of Earth costs about 15,000,000.

Basically, Ancestral Divine Hat is only ever worth it once you have every other piece of gear, because what you get from it isn't even nearly enough to justify the massive costs, unless you just don't have anything else to spend on.

Just use a GoF weap and not bp yourself, you'll get yourself killed in no time. The reason sacr *** or GoF is so awesome on sin is the fact they have bp always since it's their personal buff. I think you have no idea how often GoF triggers per minute with 2+ aps. Some things just can't be calculated. You're post is hilarious, for someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. b:bye My build is close to that link above (r9 daggers at 2.86 aps and sage bp), and I see what it does on 2nd boss in vana when he buffs himself (when bp get reduced to 20 or so per hit). I always equip r8 when he buffs, so as not to kill myself or forcing cleric to heal me.

Um, I thought that it was obvious that I implied having bloodpaint, since this is the Assassin sub-forum.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well do you think 150 hp is that much? Considering the vana hat gives some def, I think from that point both start to be pretty much even yes. With GoF daggers, def add is even preferable to extra hp.

Well you said they'd be equal, they weren't. Not even close.

Also 150 hp is equal to a single G12 Citrine.

Besides, at any of the builds from OP there seem to be no coin limit. So why even bother comparing the costs.

Did you completely miss that he had refines of +3 or +4 on freaking Rank 9? Obviously the OP has no clue about the value of those items and just picked some that had high level and looked good.

It's just my opinion but above +8, vana wins both ends : Survivability, and att. You're just doing useless calculations. On last build she put vana leggings, so vana hat would give +5 att lvl. It would allow to lower str by 12 points that could be put into dex, and give a dex bonus of +6~10, meaning another crit too. So yes vana hat is better.

I'm not saying that Ancestral Divine Hat cannot be or isn't better than Warsoul of Earth. I am saying that the cost of Ancestral Divine Hat makes it extremely expensive in comparison to anything else. +5 Attack Levels and 20 dex for 100,000,000 coins? Are you kidding me?

About GoF comment : lol, obviously you never used any zerk add on your sin, you just tried to look smart b:bye Without sage bp GoF can definately get you killed, and even with GoF it can on bosses like 2nd guy in vana or if you have to high hp. You just have no idea how often it ticks.

With Sage BP, you're obviously safe.

Without Sage BP, you should be safe unless you get unlucky with the amount of procs.

And of course BP isn't going to matter jack in special cases when BP is turned into jack****. I never argued against that.

So what's your point? That if you proc 20 times in a row, you die? That a single boss in the game might get you killed? How ridiculous.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

what can I say, you probably did all the math.... I'm just an idiot that actually used or uses all the gear and skills we talk about.

The point I'm trying to make here is that GoF or SS should not kill you with BP. If you say it does, then you'd better tell how the hell that is supposed to happen. And no, just "Oh sorry, you don't have SS/GoF, poor you" doesn't solve a thing.

And obviously GoF/SS is going to be troublesome in any situation where your damage might be greatly lessened, such as any high level boss or a boss with special buffs.

And by "getting killed by GoF/SS" I mean actually dying, not going to 500 life and getting hit by a boss and dying to that. Or being under some arbitrary "safety margin" for HP.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

All I'm trying to say is that if you only post to contradict someones post, just don't post. Your comments about coins when the calc already shows the most expensive items ingame are just irrelevant, just cause you have to trash on someone. You put in a stupid comment about zerk and bp. It already was answered, in a more constructive way.

Again, look at the OP: He asks about the price of the items and some of them don't exist. And who the hell would put +3 and +4 refines into Rank 9 while fully knowing how expensive those items are? My guess is that the OP has absolutely no clue how expensive the Rank 9 stuff really is.

And if you're so big on costs being non-factor at endgame, then what if I say this is by far the best endgame weapon for an Assassin? At least when it comes to PvE and especially soloing. But the price? 115 Ten Million Big Notes, or 1,150,000,000.

Barunaa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're joking right?

Joking about what? The cost really is 115 Ten Million Big Notes.

As for that for an endgame weapon, if it wasn't so costly, it'd be the best PvE weapon possible due to the proc.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

25% HP recover?! That's like 2k hp if you have 8k. O.O

Combine that with BP, pots, and you can solo any boss that doesn't dish out massive damage in a short amount of time.

Indeed, which does make Radiant Dagger the best PvE dagger in the game by far. The loss of DPS is meaningless since the proc would pretty much make you immortal in most situations.

Question is: Would Empu still buy Radiant Dagger for 1,150,000,000, as it fulfills his criteria of being endgame and being awesome, but it has a huge cost? Or more generally, would anyone buy those daggers for that price considering what you get for it?

The advantage of DoT is that they are the only offensive shard you can put in armor pieces. For weapon however, you have 3 types of offensive shards : + phys att, DoT or +1% crit (leaving out things like elemental shards and -channel on purpose, but got to state them not to be corrected on silly details by some ppl). Most agree +1% crit isn't really worth it on a dex based class. Garnets will result in more phys damage then DoT overall, cause they are effected by multiplier, meaning in the end they won't just give +40 (on a perfect) or +75 (for garnet gem). DoT only improves damage by 1% (for the same reason, it will be less most of the time if you consider you already have +30 att lvl from r9, or even 60 with jones blessing + r9 weap. But that's just useless details, cause it won't change anything fundamental). I'm sure several will do you the math, but all depends on your phys att and amount of dex. Lets just say on 10k, a DoT will give 100 extra, a garnet is multiplied by 4 or more most of the time, so you see the difference.

idk if you realize how expesive it is or not, if it's really an ingame goal or just trying to look for what "the ultimate sin" looks like, and honestly who cares lol. I just see coins is completely irrelevant to refer too :P Those Radiant Daggers aren't really worth getting imo. I guess that is where you see the difference between someone who just does simulations and someone who actually soloed a boss. Skai hit the nail on the head with "if the boss doesn't dish out a massive amount of damage in short time". Bosses hit slow but hard (I can't come up with any "aps boss", it might exist). As a sin in general (sage or demon, but LA) your solo ability depends on if they 1/2 hit (1 hit or 2 hit when they have a mag att immediately followed by a phys hit) you or not. The amount of hp you can generate with bp (maybe pots too, crab meats are cheap anyway) between the hits is also important ofc, but that is where I think r9 is better then radiant daggers. Sage bp on that damage fills hp bar really fast, so a hp regenerating proc (even if it's as massive as 25%) would loose it's interest. Since sage spark reduces damage taken, a sage sin can solo even more easily. Basicly, I can solo anything that doesn't 1 shot me (sometimes you can spark-resist the hard hit ofc, but that's risky. little lag and gone anyway). A hp regen proc wouldn't enhance my solo ability, maybe it would reduce pots on some bosses (maybe cause using pots usually is just a precaution), but it would also make them slower unless the crit effect is really huge maybe. Extra damage also has an adventage on apo pots that are limited time effect and have a cd. So to conclude, hp regen proc (used lunar daggers a while, not as big but comparable) is great when you don't generate hp back fast, but when you can regenerate you hp to full between bosses hits, it looses it's greatness.