So, Did they balance the game yet?
Zap - Harshlands
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PWI is by far one of the most addictive grind fest i ever had the pleasure of spending so many days on. I remember i was with a very strong guild / clan and we where taking over a lot of territory. But there was always one downside to everything, The Cash Shop. It had seemed that PWI had no cares if the CS imbalanced the game, so me and many others just walked away. So i am back to ask, does the cash stop still give away a ridiculous high advantage to others with more money than brains? Or am i better off playing 15 dollars a month for a equilibrium.
Thank you in advantage for giving me straight forward, mature input.
Thank you in advantage for giving me straight forward, mature input.
Nuff said.
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To your first question. Is a frogs *** water tight?0
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I just saw a post a few threads down from mine asking the exact same question. I believe i got the answer i was looking for. If anyone would like to add to this be my guess. But i will continue to ignore ignorant childish comments.Nuff said.0
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I was answering your question. Yes the Cash shop is still imbalances this game.0
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Any poor player is going to consider a game like this unbalanced to someone else's favor. There is always going to be unbalance, but the degree to which it is; isn't worth whining about.
If it weren't cash shoppers (which it isn't), it would be those who have 24/7 to play and or great business skills.
If you want balance: Try an arena fps like nexiuz. Sadly even that game had problems with people who'd rather whine than play.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
Any poor player is going to consider a game like this unbalanced to someone else's favor. There is always going to be unbalance, but the degree to which it is; isn't worth whining about.
If it weren't cash shoppers (which it isn't), it would be those who have 24/7 to play and or great business skills.
If you want balance: Try an arena fps like nexiuz. Sadly even that game had problems with people who'd rather whine than play.
Please don't hit meb:surrender Whats fps stand for? At first I thought frames per second but that cant be it. I only know what RPG stands for.b:surrender0 -
No idea what the game is, but in this case I'd take a guess FPS = First Person Shooter. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.0
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Alleia - Dreamweaver wrote: »No idea what the game is, but in this case I'd take a guess FPS = First Person Shooter. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
That's the correct answer !! Congratulations !!
You just got 100 point higher. Now for the next question . . what is RTS ? (b:pleased)
100 bonus point for that . . (b:victory)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »That's the correct answer !! Congratulations !!
You just got 100 point higher. Now for the next question . . what is RTS ? (b:pleased)
100 bonus point for that . . (b:victory)
Real Time Stratagy?0 -
Tigriss_f - Raging Tide wrote: »Real Time Stratagy?
Correct !! 100 poins !! (b:laugh) it's Strategy tough not Stratagy, but that isn't really matter anyway
Next question . . what is SRPG ? (b:bye)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Correct !! 100 poins !! (b:laugh) it's Strategy tough not Stratagy, but that isn't really matter anyway
Next question . . what is SRPG ? (b:bye)
Probably Strategic Role Playing Game (and not Super Rocket-Propelled Grenade).
Are you not drifting towards the super off-topic region? b:laugh
As for the main subject, the cash shop IS an intended source of imbalance. This is how the game is financed. The competitiveness is encouraged. People spend more to make their characters better or to buy this or that (to what end, be it good or totally stupid, is not my problem).
I'd even say this is totally natural and obvious that MMORPGs are like that. Free to play, pay to win they say... I cannot refute it enough.
That said, if the so-called best players of the server and the game in general are just a bunch of dummies (to remain courteous) that just spend a lot and act like jerks and brag about it after, I can't respect them.Maintenance time. Please choose a line:
- When is it over? OMG I need my fix!! *super spazzing*
- Fix the damn bugs, dammit! I'm so angry! I'll quit!!
- New codes out there? I like free stuff~ *wink*
- When will we get new content? QQ
- Will we get sales? I got a ton of gold to spend.
- I'm bored, I'll create a useless thread to annoy Opkorock.
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Indeed. Also, R9 > everything else. I am just laughing at those who got it, it was a joke, but people didn't realize yet. . .Feel free to PM me for help.
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MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Correct !! 100 poins !! (b:laugh) it's Strategy tough not Stratagy, but that isn't really matter anyway
Next question . . what is SRPG ? (b:bye)
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im glad cs is around because it gives the opportunity to purchase the good stuff.Post starter is jsut a poor freak that cant make coins jealous sad but true.You play how you want and the extreme players will play how they want...no game in this whole realm of gaming from xbox-nintendo to scrabble is balanced..why..because there is anotehr brain better than yours.[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2527935005&dateline=1300027633[/SIGPIC]
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Zap - Harshlands wrote: »I just saw a post a few threads down from mine asking the exact same question. I believe i got the answer i was looking for. If anyone would like to add to this be my guess. But i will continue to ignore ignorant childish comments.
It is simply as balanced as the dev team will allow it. Yes there are broken classes, but, not our fault.0 -
Several times more unbalanced than it used to be in so many ways,do yourself a favor and spend your time on something else :PIt's all about LoL,yo.0
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Actually, CS/non-CS balance used to be passible, way back when the game started. Anyone but me remember when gold prices were around 150k, instead of the 1 mil they are now? I bought my first outfit by simply grinding for a couple days... it's much much harder to buy anything by good old sweat and tears these days.
So, if anything, I'd say the game is even more unbalanced toward the Cash Shoppers than it used to be... and I'll be honest: I'm a Cash Shopper. I don't use the CS very often and usually buy just fashion stuff, but yeah, having easy access to inventory/bank stones and mats through the CS is nice. I don't buy hypers or anything like that, though, because I feel it detracts from the experience.
Then again: I have no problem paying a couple bucks a month for a game I enjoy so much. Other MMOs force a fixed monthly rate on their players: PW CSers can choose how much they're willing to spend on the game, and on what. It's the fact that CSers buy so much that allows most of those CS items to be so well-circulated in the first place.
So no, I don't think it's any more balanced than it usede to be, and it will probably only get worse. It's the devs' choice how much incentive they want to give you to pay, and they decided to favor the CSers a long time ago. That won't change.
Personally, I don't mind it too much. If I did, I wouldn't play. b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Yes there is an imbalance, but its not as bad as some other games.
In PWI, the imbalance is only "time imbalance". Essentially the cash shoppers get what they want with "less time" using "more money". For non-cash shoppers to get the same you need to invest "more time" using "less money".
At the end of the day the game between cash shoppers and non-cash shoppers is balanced - despite what people are saying here. You can atain the same gear, you just need to invest a considerably more amount of time.
Whether you do or not is another question.
In many other games I've played cash shop items are non-tradeable. Giving cash shoppers an absolute advantage that cant be matched with any other investment besides cash.
The only thing about this game that breaks this relation ship of "Time vs Money" is the Assassin class. With their insanely overpowered skills you can take on whole rank 9 characters pretty easily. Its cheaper to build an overpowered sin than a rank 9 character. Rank 9 sins are on a whole new level.0 -
TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »Several times more unbalanced than it used to be in so many ways,do yourself a favor and spend your time on something else :P
Couldn't agree more.
You could spend 6 hours a day for several years to equal an average cash shopper, at which point you have an endgame of 5aps melee classes and nothing else, or simply play a decent P2P and see solid results from that hard work in a few months. If you put the fee of an average P2P into this game, it's still nothing more than a drop of water in a bucket of hot sand.0 -
Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »Indeed. Also, a skilled player > everything else. I am just laughing at those who got it, it was a joke, but people didn't realize yet. . .
fixed, even R9 people get rolled at. Its common sense that a skilled player should beat every thing else, not gear. Not even R8 hurts IMHO, only for lower levels yeah, but I dueled a LVL100+ R8 archer on LVL50+ veno (he was using demon of bow hunter or w/e it was called. He demon sparked and used genie then take aim and only done 5k DMG (at distance from like 8 meters away) when my veno have about 2k p.def, wow that is so much. Them interval bows / slingshots are crappy, not even working for low LVLs as normal attacks were **** too for a huge LVL difference (less than 2k DMG from R8 bow)I, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.
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The pwi devs couldnt balance an Icecube on the ocean ijs0
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joakim87878 wrote: »The pwi devs couldnt balance an Icecube on the ocean ijs
PWI is the most balanced MMO I've ever played. Seriously though, we have one class that's OP (sins duh), and even then they pay for it dearly by sucking balls in group fights. Hell, they're complete garbage in TW. And honestly, finding an MMO where the stealth class isn't a complete **** is pretty tough. To me, balance means that any class can kill any other class. Well, if I look at all the classes, the only issues where a fight seems god damn impossible is with sins vs. Wizards. PWI played it smart by really stressing the importance of a good offense. Stressing good offense over the possibility for a solid defense means that ANYONE can die. There's a couple r9 Psys on my server that I'm very capable of killing. Why? Because offense climbs at a higher rate than defense in this game: sure they're HARDER to kill, but not impossible; my damage isn't absolute **** on them like it might be in some other MMOs.
As for people complaining about players who cash shop and get r9 +12 with all the best accessories, you're dreaming if you expect PWI to balance them out. MMOs will always seek profit, and there will always be players with nothing better to do than to spend all their money on this game.
Also, how the hell does one balance an ice cube on the ocean? The thing would melt. :CI
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Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »Not even R8 hurts IMHO, only for lower levels yeah, but I dueled a LVL100+ R8 archer on LVL50+ veno (he was using demon of bow hunter or w/e it was called. He demon sparked and used genie then take aim and only done 5k DMG (at distance from like 8 meters away) when my veno have about 2k p.def, wow that is so much. Them interval bows / slingshots are crappy, not even working for low LVLs as normal attacks were **** too for a huge LVL difference (less than 2k DMG from R8 bow)
Come on Yulk? Seriously? Do you even believe what you posted there? Fuzzy has doubts.
Once you have armour that is even remotely comparable to Fuzzy and you are somehow not taking 16k crit dmg from a single hit from a +6 R8 weapon then you can talk about about the usefulness/useless of rank gear.
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only thing that's unbalanced is 5.0, the rest is dam near perfect. it's a great game.0
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_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Couldn't agree more.
You could spend 6 hours a day for several years to equal an average cash shopper, at which point you have an endgame of 5aps melee classes and nothing else, or simply play a decent P2P and see solid results from that hard work in a few months. If you put the fee of an average P2P into this game, it's still nothing more than a drop of water in a bucket of hot sand.
then go away please, and if you have, get the hell off of our forums.Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »fixed, even R9 people get rolled at. Its common sense that a skilled player should beat every thing else, not gear. Not even R8 hurts IMHO, only for lower levels yeah, but I dueled a LVL100+ R8 archer on LVL50+ veno (he was using demon of bow hunter or w/e it was called. He demon sparked and used genie then take aim and only done 5k DMG (at distance from like 8 meters away) when my veno have about 2k p.def, wow that is so much. Them interval bows / slingshots are crappy, not even working for low LVLs as normal attacks were **** too for a huge LVL difference (less than 2k DMG from R8 bow)
um, i call bullshyt.... plz tell me this is a joke, or i have lost all respect for yulk as a troll.0 -
joakim87878 wrote: »The pwi devs couldnt balance an Icecube on the ocean ijs
um, first off, i'd like ta say, this mmo has dam near perfect balance. secondly, not only would the icecube melt, i would like to see you balance an icecube on the raging currents and waves of the ocean.
PS: sry fer the triple post, it's just that the more idiots i see, the more i smack myself for fergetting to include them in the last post.0 -
Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »I dueled a LVL100+ R8 archer on LVL50+ veno (he was using demon of bow hunter or w/e it was called. He demon sparked and used genie then take aim and only done 5k DMG (at distance from like 8 meters away) when my veno have about 2k p.def, wow that is so much. Them interval bows / slingshots are crappy, not even working for low LVLs as normal attacks were **** too for a huge LVL difference (less than 2k DMG from R8 bow)WhiteVoodoo - Raging Tide wrote: »um, i call bullshyt.... plz tell me this is a joke, or i have lost all respect for yulk as a troll.
unless i've badly misunderstood what "damage" means in PvP, it's either a joke or a hallucination. level-5x venos do not have 5k damage to take; that'd flatten my 6x veno, one shot. so would 2k damage --- well, okay, that might be two shots, but the second shot could be landed by anyone or anything.
(i'm trying to think of a way to build a veno such as to have 5k hp by early midgame. my brain keeps locking up on me, screaming "FAIL! FAIL!" hysterically.)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0 -
WhiteVoodoo - Raging Tide wrote: »um, first off, i'd like ta say, this mmo has dam near perfect balance. secondly, not only would the icecube melt, i would like to see you balance an icecube on the raging currents and waves of the ocean.
PS: sry fer the triple post, it's just that the more idiots i see, the more i smack myself for fergetting to include them in the last post.
LMAO... did you read the OP's thread or did you just decide to triple post without any knowledge of the topic?Zap - Harshlands wrote: »So i am back to ask, does the cash stop still give away a ridiculous high advantage to others with more money than brains?
Not only does the cash shop give a high advantage to players that use it, the cash shop is INTENDED to give an advantage to those that use it. Players are not spending $1,500+ USD for rank gear so they can have a "balanced" advantage over their competition. They are paying for a huge advantage, one in which PWE openly markets. This is not to say "free to play" players cannot obtain the same achievements as cash shoppers, but the average PWI player will never achieve it as quickly as someone who has the real life funds to purchase it. PWI is balanced? GTFO.
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I kill all one-shot with my R9 +12. I only have stealth on slot one on my sin. Took everything else off cause it's distracting. I just walk up to something i want dead and double click. I think this game is perfectly balanced.
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Come on Yulk? Seriously? Do you even believe what you posted there? Fuzzy has doubts.
Once you have armour that is even remotely comparable to Fuzzy and you are somehow not taking 16k crit dmg from a single hit from a +6 R8 weapon then you can talk about about the usefulness/useless of rank gear.
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Actually hitting 5k for a 100+ archer on someone with 2k phy def is pretty normal if you hit minimum physical attack and non crit, even if you triple spark.
Rank8 weapons have a very high max dmg, but average and minimum dmg is not always that amazing. You can end up doing some pretty pathetic dmg as archer, if unlucky lol. Archer is also a dps class - not pure spike dmg, so Yulk might actually be telling the truth b:shocked. He was probably hiding in foxform and had more than 2k phy defense tho lol.
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IMO 5k is acceptable, if the archer got really unlucky. On the other hand, give that lvl 50 veno 50000 hp, let the archer autoattack, and see how much that archer is doing. I am pretty sure he'd have no trouble auto'ing 50000 hp to death in under 10 seconds, especially at 2k p. def.
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