Seeker = PvE only?

Silcad - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've seen a lvl 27 Seeker defeat a lvl 33 Sin... I don't think Seeker's are only capable of PvE

At that level, every class is pretty equal, ijs. Also, duels =/= open PK.

XD yeah i tried pvping against a blademaster. He was 45, xD i lost twice, but then xD it was close. i had like 3 chances for stagmite to hit xD before i died. I guess the only way to fight is, mid range / long range, and xD close range at the right moments.

Looks like i might need holy path for pvp for the sins and bms since they will be trying to catch p with me. Strange we got to fight like archers then ponuce like a tiger.b:laugh

Well i am only 41, can t wait to get occult ice at end game, after all i am getting a second genie for purely pvp.

Although the good news is the aoe spams don t have as long channeling ;p. Well the ones i have so far, not including the 59s.

Group PvP, indeed. Also, steal buffs / give debuffs would be useless in PvE. Except for some exceptions. But in group PvP:

Seeker tanks
BM uses HF on Seeker
Seeker gives HF to BM
any friend of Seeker pew pew on BM

That buff transfer sounds pretty OP, but I don't know if it'd work through stun-lock because it has a channeling time and casting time.

Perhaps as already mentioned, the 79/100 skills might have an anti stun, like barbs.

Good to hear something actually good in regards to seekers. All I hear is "fail this" and "fail that" from everyone that hasn't played one yet. After I lv up my mystic a few more lvs I'll start my seeker.

Mystic so far, having gotten all the current skills, is just not that interesting to me yet, much like Assassin in the last expansion b4 i made a psy. A lot of the skills seem pretty ineffective, pointless, and way too mp costly. Hopefully I'll like seeker as much as psy in comparison.

Ok having tested and analyzed a seeker i can give you a brief good and bad bout the thus far incomplete seeker class

Good:
PVE wise- several skills with decent AOE.. in FC and in Rebirth it works wonders. With bloodpaint i can do big pulls no problem. In rebirth, your vortex works just like wizards Dragons breadth...

Also have 3 debuff skill and defense lvl/attack lvl debuff on mobs with northern sky stance or soulsever which is also handy...

debuff transfer is also nice against bosses in instances... as they debuff you, you transfer it to them

PVP wise- mass PVP such as TW, i think seeker have a good nuking potential.. by spamming gemini slash, a no chi skill with DD potential similar to wizards ulti.. combined with soulsever which has 50% to proc. how to get the debuff? ( do mid range attacks such as battousai/ ion spike/heartseeker first to get the debuff on opponent in TW without having to go close range to them).

they also get advantage over bm/barb/sin in that they can launch attacks from afar and will not be a victim of tab targets in TW... being ranged attackers is a major advantage of surviving in TW

Bad:
PVE wise- not aps class.. though debuff is kewl.. nothing beats a 5.0 in damage dealing and killing mobs

PVP wise- the lack of reliable cc skill and anti disable skill places seeker at a massive disadvantage in PK and 1 v 1 situation... you would almost need to tank every attack thrown at you and your defense base solely on your equipment+defense level... with the lack of chi build skills and only one certain teleport stun with long cooldown..ability of seeker in 1 v 1 situation is questionable...

Although it doesn't really count; I just dueled my wife's Mystic who has 1.4k HP at the same level as me. After a 5 second stun by the pet which I have no way of avoiding, she launched "Thicket" which silences and immobilises for 5 seconds and deals 12x weapon damage. I was defeated without even having the chance to move or to even prevent getting stunned.

So yes, as of now, I honestly believe Seeker is a PvE only class.

tl;dr I'm QQing and I got owned by a Mystic with 1.4k HP in <11 seconds.

yeah ppl already found the sage/dmon and 79-100 skills(although not on the game). they do get a heal/antistun for a 79 skill only draw back is slow for 6 sec but no problems. and most of the sage demon effects either increase% chance to use a status alment or the duration of it. so yeah once sage demon and 79-100 comes out theyll be very pvp oriented.b:laugh

not at all i pked a fully rdy and buffed 71 barb at 70 as my seeker
had half hp to spare and he had +5 calamities against my plain ol hh70 sword and rank armour *and i still dont have the lvl 59 skills* so just lvl it alot itl b worth it

Im slowly building and getting used to my seeker. i could have hypered it to lvl 100 by now, but id prob be a fail at my class...


My impressions on seeker so far:


B4 getting my lvl 59 skills, i rly thought seekers are gonna fail...

now at my lvl, i can say im liking seeker more and more... - edit: stupid avatar wont show, but im lvl 64 now-

So, unlike most seekers, im not a pure STR seeker. i currently have 98 vit with all gears on... 4200 hp unbuffed, so many call me a "tank' build...

Just today, i tanked bh 51 all bosses, miryad included... w/o barb hp buff cause of course, if i had to tank, we had no barb.... DEf lvl buff is awesome in pve

AOE grind is a joke for seeker. its so easy with BP, u activate edged blur, use stalagstrike and other aoe skill (forgot name) pretty much everything gets owned.

As for pvp, arcane classes: u teleport stun/ freeze them for a godamn 8 seconds + yatagan vortex: owned. At least in duel (i know that doesnt rly counts) i owned a cleric in 3 seconds using freeze + vortex... and she was 10 lvls higher and even used plume shield... i was surprised at how high was my damage with lvl1 vortex on pvp...

on other hand, i was doing rly low dmg on a barb my lvl with my magic skills battousay and yon spike. gotta try the gemini slash, but it kept getting interrupt... unless u can use the channeling buff, gemini sucks for 1 vs 1 melee classes

well okeano, it seems to me u re looking at seeker from an assassin perspective....


Before Sins turned into kings of PvP, there was a balance:a good skill would cost u something, being it Chi - like BMs roar or wizs BIDS, or have a long cooldown, or debuff urself. mostly skills follow this formula: Barb invoke reduces dmg, but slows and costs 2 sparks.... BM anti stun costs a spark... archer freeze also costs spark... wizs ultis costs 2 sparks... clerics shield costs chi and deplet mana...

Sins are the class that broke all this... they can get awesome effects w/o any penalties...


Think if every sin stun/seal/ sleep had like a 50% chance or costed 1 spark each... Shadow escape 50% chance, or 2 sparks cost...Stealth give u some penalty...

So, if we compare seeker with Sin, or any other class with Sin, theres no way they win.

But if u think how pvp was b4 TBs, genies and other stuff broke game, id say seeker is a great class


Freeze from range, no spark used like archer, but with "only" 70% chance... wizs get a 33% (50% for demon wiz) chance max, cleric debuff themselves when freezing... sins loses nothing when freezing with 100% chance and also GAIN 50 chi... Also, seeker frezze is only 15 seconds CD which makes it almost spammeable - 8 seconds frozen, 7 seconds unfrozen if ure 1 vs1 anyone

Teleport stun: again, long cooldown, 1 spark used... 100 %chance... bms have to come very close to stun, they mostly likely will have a charm tick when and if they manage to stun... seeker do it from 28 metter away (if not more)...Sins...well, u know it already...

Venos seals with a 66% chance (i think) and uses 2 spark for doing so... Again, sins seal for no cost.

Wizs stuns is 20% chance. have u ever thought a sin with 20% chance of stunning?
or using 2 sparks plus having a long cast for a 90%+ chance of stunning?


My pont is, Seeker will require skill to kill anything in pk. not like u can just stun lock and 5aps everything u see.

I know that if it was real pk, i wouldnt be able to kill the shielded cleric. I would more likely try to stun/survive till shield was gone and then pull that freeze + vortex combo...

I'll PvP as soon as I hit 100, but lack of reliable stun or anti-stun tells me that I think we're not going to do so great at it.