New Launcher and being able to run PW on two instances

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  • frankieraye
    frankieraye Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    You guys are right, the original reason for multi-clienting being bannable, the fact that you had to modify game files, is no longer in play.

    We on the PWI staff are currently talking about whether or not the rules should be re-visited and possibly modified. For now the same rule remains -- multi-clienting is not permitted -- but we will let you know if anything changes over the next few days of talks.
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  • FiDollaYou - Sanctuary
    FiDollaYou - Sanctuary Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    You guys are right, the original reason for multi-clienting being bannable, the fact that you had to modify game files, is no longer in play.

    We on the PWI staff are currently talking about whether or not the rules should be re-visited and possibly modified. For now the same rule remains -- multi-clienting is not permitted -- but we will let you know if anything changes over the next few days of talks.

    Thank you.
  • Tallain - Heavens Tear
    Tallain - Heavens Tear Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Well I just got banned again defending myself against somone ELSE insulting me.... so.... this is Alasen signing off. And thanks for FINALLY saying something frankie.... i guess.... not that i care anymore. And Evanera..... you pk'ed my faction member over and over for 1/2 an hour in the FIRST room so dont' try and squirm outta that. I know better. As for your faction.... I saw at LEAST 20 different names pm'ing me that **** for over an hour. You're just lucky the gm's dont' do jack **** in-game when you have a real problem you pm them with.
  • Evanera - Heavens Tear
    Evanera - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,423 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Thanks for the response. I advocate these kinds of responses from you more often though.
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  • Meyki - Sanctuary
    Meyki - Sanctuary Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Thanks for cool answer franke ;)
    Edit: Which rules is franke referring to btw, guys?
  • FiDollaYou - Sanctuary
    FiDollaYou - Sanctuary Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Meyki - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Thanks for cool answer franke ;)
    Edit: Which rules?

    The ones regarding multi-clienting.
  • Meyki - Sanctuary
    Meyki - Sanctuary Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Where is it?
  • Evanera - Heavens Tear
    Evanera - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,423 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Tallain - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well I just got banned again defending myself against somone ELSE insulting me.... so.... this is Alasen signing off. And thanks for FINALLY saying something frankie.... i guess.... not that i care anymore. And Evanera..... you pk'ed my faction member over and over for 1/2 an hour in the FIRST room so dont' try and squirm outta that. I know better. As for your faction.... I saw at LEAST 20 different names pm'ing me that **** for over an hour. You're just lucky the gm's dont' do jack **** in-game when you have a real problem you pm them with.

    If I was PK'ing someone for that long in room 1 it would have been for a justifiable reason =P

    20 people? Okay now I'm proud of Enrage b:chuckle

    Glad I made you rage hard enough to get banned

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  • Tallain - Heavens Tear
    Tallain - Heavens Tear Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    YOU had nothing to do with me being banned on here. But keep thinking that kid. Ya, be proud of acting like a child.....
  • Meyki - Sanctuary
    Meyki - Sanctuary Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Well I am really glad frankie posted the answer and its really cool, but now it seems like I will have to find another thread to tattle in. b:sad
  • FiDollaYou - Sanctuary
    FiDollaYou - Sanctuary Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Meyki - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Where is it?

    Head out the main highway. Turn left three blocks before the house that old Frank used to live in. It's in the building that used to be the General Store.
  • Meyki - Sanctuary
    Meyki - Sanctuary Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Head out the main highway. Turn left three blocks before the house that old Frank used to live in. It's in the building that used to be the General Store.
    b:victory Thank you, I'll be right there.
  • Renza - Raging Tide
    Renza - Raging Tide Posts: 1,939 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    You guys are right, the original reason for multi-clienting being bannable, the fact that you had to modify game files, is no longer in play.

    We on the PWI staff are currently talking about whether or not the rules should be re-visited and possibly modified. For now the same rule remains -- multi-clienting is not permitted -- but we will let you know if anything changes over the next few days of talks.

    I hadn't a clue about editing anything to get on, as far as i know, the client in general lets you open as many as you can just by hitting the element.exe lol, well nice to know the rule may get updated, at least i hope so, it would make having multiple chars have a good purpose.
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  • FiDollaYou - Sanctuary
    FiDollaYou - Sanctuary Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I hadn't a clue about editing anything to get on, as far as i know, the client in general lets you open as many as you can just by hitting the element.exe lol, well nice to know the rule may get updated, at least i hope so, it would make having multiple chars have a good purpose.

    TL;DR version: When PWI was released, elementclient.exe would not allow you to open two copies. Enterprising folks modified (and released into the wild) the client with that restriction removed. Shortly (few months) after release, changes were made by PWI devs to the client that lifted this restriction, but the launcher still gave you the "already running" error when you attempted to start a second instance. Some time after that, the launcher stopped giving the error.

    The other 30 pages or so of thread (this and two others) in the past week or so have been folks insulting each other.
  • Chadric - Heavens Tear
    Chadric - Heavens Tear Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Frankie can ya sticky this thread please? or sticky a new one when the decision is made on the rule. Thanks
  • Shayd - Raging Tide
    Shayd - Raging Tide Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    I was running multiple clients when you were choosing makeup for your first character. It's so easy
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  • LShattered - Heavens Tear
    LShattered - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,365 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Ketania - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    *pat pat*

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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    They do give a straight answer. The answer is "It's not allowed. It's a bannable offense. Don't do it." It doesn't get any more straightforward than that.

    What they haven't given (and probably won't) is a reason for this.

    No they don't because they never define in detail what multiboxing vs multiclienting is. We're living in an age of multi-core processors, multi board boxes, and networked computing. Until they outline what's wrong with whatever they seem to have an issue with: they leave it open to their own interpretation.
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  • Chadric - Heavens Tear
    Chadric - Heavens Tear Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    uh Multi boxing is using more then one BOX (computer), multiclienting is using one pc with multi ... clients on that one pc..... THAT'S been defined idk how many thousand times on the forums....
  • Meyki - Sanctuary
    Meyki - Sanctuary Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    What about virtual computer...
  • Chadric - Heavens Tear
    Chadric - Heavens Tear Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Saw that in quite a few threads too, it's considered still the same pc, so bannable. At least atm...
  • FiDollaYou - Sanctuary
    FiDollaYou - Sanctuary Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    tweakz wrote: »
    No they don't because they never define in detail what multiboxing vs multiclienting is. We're living in an age of multi-core processors, multi board boxes, and networked computing. Until they outline what's wrong with whatever they seem to have an issue with: they leave it open to their own interpretation.

    Actually, they're pretty straightforward about what they intend -- as far as 99.9% of the player population is concerned. One client per computer.

    I'm pretty sure that the more exotic situations (Virtual machines running in isolated OS instances on a single physical machine, multiple boards each running as separate "computers" but inside a single box, etc.) have all been discussed by players but never addressed by GMs. Probably because they don't care, and as far as the game is concerned, individual instances *are* "separate computers". On the other hand, a multicore processor running a single instance of Windows is still a single computer, no matter how badly you want to redefine it. What ambiguity is left has yet to be defined in a meaningful fashion by anyone, so you can't fault PWI for that.

    Honestly, if you have the means and motivation to setup a system running multiple full virtual machines to run PWI... well, it's probably easier and cheaper to build a second box to run your second client, and it'll probably run better as well.
  • Chadric - Heavens Tear
    Chadric - Heavens Tear Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    actually vitual pc's WERE addressed by a GM, frankie i believe.... in a recent thread too... but idk which one. Or maybe a necro'ed thread.... But there's so many of these I'm not going to look....
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited March 2011
    didn't read any post but the title.

    the client still attempts to stop multi-clienting, but like the previous, the security is total fail. it's still looking to stop multiple 'element client' applications from being opened, but pwi renamed their client to 'perfect world international', so they bypassed their own fail security.

    *claps*
  • Chadric - Heavens Tear
    Chadric - Heavens Tear Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    and how do you know THIS? you know the coding or w/e in the launcher itself or whatever does this check and can look and see it's still in there?
  • ttgogettt
    ttgogettt Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    frankieraye wrote: »
    You guys are right, the original reason for multi-clienting being bannable, the fact that you had to modify game files, is no longer in play.

    We on the PWI staff are currently talking about whether or not the rules should be re-visited and possibly modified. For now the same rule remains -- multi-clienting is not permitted -- but we will let you know if anything changes over the next few days of talks.

    Frankie, thank you very much for this response. I look forward to hearing of the decision and until then will use my PC and laptop to run my shop and play my character separately.
  • Meyki - Sanctuary
    Meyki - Sanctuary Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    What about Remote Desktop?
    If I was a new player, after reading ToS without digging forums and asking GMs / sending ticket (because honestly, why should I), how would I know what is OK and what not? Talking about multiclienting.
  • Zenorx - Harshlands
    Zenorx - Harshlands Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Ketania - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Alasen *pat pat*

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  • Boogiepanda - Raging Tide
    Boogiepanda - Raging Tide Posts: 4,682 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Devs shouldn't encourage people to break rules by making is so easy.
  • FiDollaYou - Sanctuary
    FiDollaYou - Sanctuary Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Chadric - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    actually vitual pc's WERE addressed by a GM, frankie i believe.... in a recent thread too... but idk which one. Or maybe a necro'ed thread.... But there's so many of these I'm not going to look....

    Don't believe so. *Players* have brought the question up in multiple threads, some of which also have GMs posting the usual "Multiple clients on one computer is bannable. I can't recall a GM *ever* responding to specific posts or questions raised within threads (such as virtual machines). I've only ever seen the generic response.

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