An old tired cleric...
Negreiros - Sanctuary
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Hello everyone ,here is a description of my night..
First i tried to do BH3-3
on the fist time we had a very good barb, normal DDs(2 venos b:sad , 1bm,1archer) i was able to keep the barb alive, of course all ppl in squad got killed but everyone were alive when boss died...BUT ME;it 1 shoted me when he had 50k hp left. Yes, everyone else got the kill.
quick nirvana run with 2 cannys =/
Second try :
a good barb tanking,good DDs again..only this time we got squad wiped 2 times.barb just couldn't resist atacks ,after boss removing buffs aoe, no matter how much IH spam i had puted on him...
well...i just left the squad very sad...i dunno if i should consider myself a good cleric anymore.
what should i do?
make a mystic?(are they good at surviving rly strong bosses?)
should i just stop playing here,/get a job /rank9 gear/+12 all/charm then come back to my cleric?
kill myself?
going to sleep now...thanks for reading =/
First i tried to do BH3-3
on the fist time we had a very good barb, normal DDs(2 venos b:sad , 1bm,1archer) i was able to keep the barb alive, of course all ppl in squad got killed but everyone were alive when boss died...BUT ME;it 1 shoted me when he had 50k hp left. Yes, everyone else got the kill.
quick nirvana run with 2 cannys =/
Second try :
a good barb tanking,good DDs again..only this time we got squad wiped 2 times.barb just couldn't resist atacks ,after boss removing buffs aoe, no matter how much IH spam i had puted on him...
well...i just left the squad very sad...i dunno if i should consider myself a good cleric anymore.
what should i do?
make a mystic?(are they good at surviving rly strong bosses?)
should i just stop playing here,/get a job /rank9 gear/+12 all/charm then come back to my cleric?
kill myself?
going to sleep now...thanks for reading =/
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] i have seen PW alive...it was awesome xD
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Awww, don't beat yourself up over it lol. First run sounds like you did a good job - my only recommendation is to bring rez scrolls with you (always for 3-3, unless there's another cleric... and even then, it's nice for you to have them so they don't need to worry.) I'm assuming you didn't, so apologies if you did and just couldn't get up in time. Also, try to keep your shell up at all times. There's like, a ten-twenty (can't remember - been awhile since I've been on my cleric) second gap where you can't have it up (if you haven't been taking damage) but it still lowers your chances of dying significantly.
Second run sounds like more of an issue with the barb. When people die, if the barb is able to, they should invoke so you can rez without worrying about healing. If the barb was just taking too much damage, chances are he was undergeared. There's a possibility that your mattack is lacking, which you can make up for by refining your weapon a little more (or upgrading, if you're still using tt90) or taking out some vit points and putting them in mag.
Two bad BH runs isn't really a reason to make a new class though xP[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Evict is a sexy chalupa.
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tks for the tips Dyskrasia, im much better now
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] i have seen PW alive...it was awesome xD0 -
well don't mind it at all, sometimes as cleric I finished runs with the same feeling like you, i'm not a good cleric -_-'' but it just the dungeons and some bad lucky times.
TT3-3 is kinda random agro plus as cleric our healing spams make us get agro really easy and faster and also is the same for vana bosses.
I used to solo heal 3-3 and the 99% of the times w/o die so just like Dysk said get a rez scroll to bring it with you, heal on max range and when boss face you cast domaain or sage/demon spark.
I remind a really horrible nirvana run where I die tons of times and all squad members does aswell because they all were aps and beeing stealing agro to each others, but it just was once
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Doing 3-3 I always expect to die. Just because the boss somehow always sees me and somehow catches me when one of my 3 shells are cooling down. >.> But I keep res scrolls on me so I can get right back up and get the kill.
Standing outside of the room sorta sometimes helps, since the boss has to walk toward you since you're out of range, and by that time someone else has aggro on it already. Just depends on where your squad stands to kill it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Wizzypop - Demon Wizard
"We cannot solve our problems with the same
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How could a veno and barb die O.o? Unless for freak accidents... b:surrender they shouldn't be dying. They have bramble hood and invoke for a reason you know b:surrender threaten / frighten helps too yeah.I, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.
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Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »How could a veno and barb die O.o? Unless for freak accidents... b:surrender they shouldn't be dying. They have bramble hood and invoke for a reason you know b:surrender threaten / frighten helps too yeah.
I bet you never meet 3-3 boss Colluseats, Did u? It has random agro so one second barb has agro next second you are dead, so yeah is really easy to die there even hood or invoke and without accidents.
Is really annoying when you get killed like 1 sec before the boss dies losting the kill after the whole effort to keep others alive, heal, buff, etc.
But I bet is not always and you will have better days so don't worry that does not make you a bad cleric.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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It is really simple. This is what I do, and I solo heal w/o issues.
Hide behind the wall,
hotkey apoth charm with which you take 50% less physical damage.
keep yourself shelled all the times.. spark off hp debuff from you/purify the tank instantly.
if squad is ****, ask them to rebuff.. have hotkeyed group pdef and mdef buff.
use guardian light...0 -
Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »How could a veno and barb die O.o? Unless for freak accidents... b:surrender they shouldn't be dying. They have bramble hood and invoke for a reason you know b:surrender threaten / frighten helps too yeah.
Whenever I run 3-3, it seems like venos are the ones to die most often. Always. lol
I personally never use bramble hood in 3-3, though, as my sparks are put to better use when sent to the tank.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Evict is a sexy chalupa.
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Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear wrote: »Whenever I run 3-3, it seems like venos are the ones to die most often. Always. lol
I personally never use bramble hood in 3-3, though, as my sparks are put to better use when sent to the tank.
O.o So... it's not only on my server ? Venos must be really hated by the system xD. On mine, I'm always the one that keeps getting OS'd every now and then on that boss, and I've noticed other venos too when I'll doing this on my cleric.
At Yulk... The boss just randomly runs to anyone to OS them, it happens so fast that you have barely realised he's running to you that you're already dead. Even with fast reaction, you would have hardly enough time to cast bramble hood in time.
To go back to the thread, I've seen so many different scenarios on my cleric. Either it's an epic fight: I'm solo healing but everything goes easy, I can keep tank alive, rez everyone, rebuff pdef on everyone, keep myself alive, and we pwn the boss without issues. Either, I'm solo healing again, but the barb is kinda squishy and he's a pain to keep alive and doesn't even bother with Invoke to compensate for his squishiness; there it can often lead to a squad wipe. Last time it happened, we wiped 4 times before someone left and we got a second cleric. Heck, we had both R8 glaives, he had sage IH, I have demon IH, we were both doing our best and well, we succeeded, but we really had much trouble with the whole squad. Sometimes the barb was getting very low on HP with both IHs spammed when he was getting the buff purge from the boss... The other cleric even got OS'd through the wall once.
Other scenario I had twice: we were two clerics (the same both times), the other one wanted to stay in room, so we stayed together in room... She was trying to BB/group heal when interrupted close to the rest of squad, while I was staying at max range from the squad, spam IHing/rebuffing/purifying the tank. Since the squad wasn't aps, it take a lil while, and the other cleric got OS 3 or 4 times during the whole fight ! Everytime I was rezing her, she would get OSd a few after. I didn't get hit even once during the whole fight, despite I was in the room too. I'm not sure it was due to the fact I was at max range, cause I tried this on my veno too to avoid getting OSd constantly, but that didn't work. So, to me, it shows how random and unpredictable that boss is.
I don't think it has something to do with your abilities, I'd think more of the barb's abilities/resistances/HP or simply bad luck cause sometimes this boss goes more crazy than other times...0 -
its really best to squad with people you know from your faction, rather than a pick up one from around the head hunter. those players, while perhaps very good, perhaps awful, are not used to working together, and *that* is a very important point in the success or failure of any squad.
for a long time i was factionless, because i just couldnt find one that had players who respected and knew each others skills, strengths and weaknesses. the one i am in now makes a point of getting to know new members, not just going around Archo, throwing faction invites to total strangers. and even then, my faction is careful about how much a new member is asked to do till the older members know what they are able to do. so shop a little, look for a good faction that has the levels you need help with, and at least a few really high levels, for times when there arent enough folks to make a full squad. good ones are glad to help out, because they remember their own problems at your level.
have fun...this is a good game, just hard on clerics (i know....i have one too)Negreiros - Sanctuary wrote: »tks for the tips Dyskrasia, im much better now[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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The purge skill purges also all IH stacks, therefore it is not the best idea to just keep pushing IH button after purge. Consider casting one or two reju. streams on barb as first kick on heal after purge, then rebuff etc.0
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Kill yourself??? Was that really one of your options? It's a game....if you honestly felt like killing yourself because two unsuccessful attempts at BH 3-3 then you play this game wayyyyyy to much. I would hate to see what you do to yourself in real life when something fails.0
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I'm sure a lot has been said about the issue at hand but here is my two-cents as someone who thinks 3-3 has days its on PMS:
Don't forget about yourself to keep the party alive. You need to keep yourself Puried, Shelled, And if at all possible when your shell is down use a Genie Skill like Absolute Domain or an Apoth version with the same effect. There are several Apoth pots that grant invincibility or Damage absorption. You can also use the second 79 skill that reduces damage to yourself. All of these are very good. Also, I try to stand with the boss turned away from me and away from the other players so that I KNOW when the boss is going to turn on me so I can quickly adjust to switch target on myself and save myself.
Doing some or all of that will ensure your survival better even in a party that is less then epic. As for a barb that can't take Damage, IH only stacks up to 3-7 times (not sure on the exact one), and then if you IH him again its going to reset the Stack and heal for less. I try to always IH 3-4 times, and then switch to another heal skill (Usually go for Stream of Rejuvenation as that stacks upon itself separately from IH doubling your healing effect). I find that this gives me the chance to be able to rez or purify other members of the party, while the Tick of the heal stacks is able to do its job.
I hope this helps a little.
Oh, one last note, don't beat yourself up over one or two failed BH3-3s, sometimes I SWEAR that boss is on steroids, and sometimes he just refuses to go down without taking people with him, and there is only so much you can do and it takes teh whole party to do it anyway. No one player can really be entirely at fault, especially with that boss. He's just evil. =D[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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The more you practice the easier it will get...It is also about knowing your Cleric and if possible your squad.
Even the most OP squads can wipe and die, it happens.
The most important thing = Don't panic and you will do fine...This BH is very doable with a single Cleric.
Some tips in learning this BH:
1 - Go with people you know and trust.
2 - Have some pots/apo ready.
3 - Have full chi at the start.
4 - On debuff just quickly heal tank (if need), rebuff Greater Protective Aura, heal tank/aoe heal (if needed) and rebuff Aegis Spirit...you can do a quick Spirit's Gift on yourself if time, then continue healing.
5 - Squad members can help with AD.
6 - You could always Vac Powder and BB if your comfortable with the squad so you have full heals on all for at least those 20 seconds.
7 - Use your 79 skill(s) on yourself if needed.
8 - Have a Res scroll.
9 - Do not Panic!!!
Keep trying...You will get the hang of it. Even practicing on full 3-3's will help you.
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"Toughest monster? ..... RedsRose b:surrender" - Kantorek
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This is not true, I believe. From my experience and knowledge IH stacks over those 15 seconds of first IH, then nothing is reset, just the healing effect of first IH is over. Therefore you can stack as much IHs as your channeling speed allows you. I never ever experienced any kind of "reset", except the external causer (and here I mean the purge effect, I can't think of anything else).Xyleena - Heavens Tear wrote: »As for a barb that can't take Damage, IH only stacks up to 3-7 times (not sure on the exact one), and then if you IH him again its going to reset the Stack and heal for less.0 -
Meyki - Sanctuary wrote: »The purge skill purges also all IH stacks, therefore it is not the best idea to just keep pushing IH button after purge. Consider casting one or two reju. streams on barb as first kick on heal after purge, then rebuff etc.
Bad idea. I've already tested that and the it only results on the barb dying. If I use stream as first skill right after the barb gets purged, with no other skill before, usually the barb dies before I can finish channeling stream (note: I have -30% channeling on gear).
What I usually do is stacking 2-3 IHs, a wellspring, pdef buff, stream, continue IH. I don't always do this in this order, I usually adapt my method to the current situation and barb's HP.
Btw, I must precise that all the scenarios I've talked about in last post are with squishy barbs. I don't know about you guys servers', but on mine, I've only been able able to run BHs with fist barbs lately with, on average, between 10k and 13k HP at most, buffed and in tiger. Plus, usually, this kind of barbs don't seem to know what Invoke is... So yeah, try to solo heal a barb with like 11k HP who never Invokes, and figure out who's failing between the cleric and the barb...
Not your fault, really. And as Xyleena said, this boss is just evil.0 -
Asthariel, well, you have your own method, enjoy, but I did solo heal there a lot, and I know that stream restores just more HP in shorter period of time. Maybe it is a bad idea, but after several runs there it proved as working one, so I rather succeed with bad ideas than fail with good ideas. And when I see cleric struggling with this boss, I share my experience. You can keep stacking ihs as lower slower heal after purge, maybe your gear is good enough to make up for the fact, that ih kicks on slower than stream. Mine is not, so stream saves the day every time I do that bh.
edit: I solo healed there a lot of barbs, from really well geared to really poor ones, some not lvl 100 even, noobs and exp ones, I dont understand what are you saying, maybe trying to call me unexperienced this way, which would lead to make your suggestion kind of "better". But the facts are facts, no matter who says them.
edit2: To be more constructive: Squishy barb after purge is hit and his hp drops rapidly, you need to restore his HP asap so he can take magic attack which can come, or even just high end melee hit. Using slower heal just does not sound as good idea as restoring significantly more hp before he is hit again, which, with decent channeling, stream does.0 -
Meyki - Sanctuary wrote: »Asthariel, well, you have your own method, enjoy, but I did solo heal there a lot, and I know that stream restores just more HP in shorter period of time. Maybe it is a bad idea, but after several runs there it proved as working one, so I rather succeed with bad ideas than fail with good ideas. And when I see cleric struggling with this boss, I share my experience. You can keep stacking ihs as lower slower heal after purge, maybe your gear is good enough to make up for the fact, that ih kicks on slower than stream. Mine is not, so stream saves the day every time I do that bh.
edit: I solo healed there a lot of barbs, from really well geared to really poor ones, some not lvl 100 even, noobs and exp ones, I dont understand what are you saying, maybe trying to call me unexperienced this way, which would lead to make your suggestion kind of "better". But the facts are facts, no matter who says them.
I didn't try to call you inexperienced at all, I was just saying that when I only use stream right after the purge, the barb dies before I even finish channeling it. To make it simple, most barbs I've been with just drop like flies after the purge. That's why I found another method that works for me. Didn't say it wouldn't work for you, but I was just trying to give an alternative method if the OP has the same problem as me. As for the gear, I only have a R8 glaive +5 with 2 perf saphs, no biggy, but it's enough for my method to work.0 -
I saw this and suggested using stream. The rest was actually just .. tattle b:surrenderNegreiros - Sanctuary wrote: »a good barb tanking,good DDs again..only this time we got squad wiped 2 times.barb just couldn't resist atacks ,after boss removing buffs aoe, no matter how much IH spam i had puted on him...
So, you tried to gave him alternative of using IHs instead of ... wait ... using IHs (Which according to your words don't work for you either, if the barb is squishy.)0 -
Meyki - Sanctuary wrote: »I saw this and suggested using stream. The rest was actually just .. tattle b:surrender
So, you tried to gave him alternative of using IHs instead of ... wait ... using IHs
Exactly
. Actually, I only said 2-3 IHs as first "security" before you use a wellspring (or two if very fast channeling) only to make sure his HP isn't too low before you re cast pdef buff and THEN stream. I NEVER use stream before having a few IH already stacked and not too low HP. If you have a barb with like 10% HP left, why the heck would you start channeling stream before making sure he has at least a few IH stack or raising it a bit with wellspring to make sure he will survive the time it will take you to channel stream. In this case, it's obvious the barb will die before you can actually cast stream on him o.o. Unless you got like -60% channeling, which I dont have (only -30% here). 0 -
Ha ha ha, ok, good one. Now to the point: Its a little stupid to fight these theoretical wars, but of it helps, fine;) I just dont see how casting ih on barb that has 10% hp helps to absorb upcoming hit . I would like to know, what hits does this boss do, and how much does the magic thing hit barb for. Becasue from what I see, it can be like 4k or even more. (And if the poor low geared barb has 12k hp, 10% means 1.2k, purged with two-three starting IHs on him...no, it didnt convince me)
I dont really know how often the boss hits, but I think it will be once in 3 seconds or similar.
No, I dont have good gear. With 30% channeling stream channels about a bit less than 2 seconds I guess. Tudum tudum calculator says 1,75. I find it fast enough, all you need is just keep hammering that button when purge pink clouds appear. However I think we just go our ways that we see working and thats it.
Did anyone mention wings of protection btw? Sometimes also lifesaver when casted on low hp purged dying poor hungry undercooled fluffy adorable kitty, not good cooldown though.0 -
Meyki - Sanctuary wrote: »Ha ha ha, ok, good one. Now to the point: Its a little stupid to fight these theoretical wars, but of it helps, fine;) I just dont see how casting ih on barb that has 10% hp helps to absorb upcoming hit . I would like to know, what hits does this boss do, and how much does the magic thing hit barb for. Becasue from what I see, it can be like 4k or even more. (And if the poor low geared barb has 12k hp, 10% means 1.2k, purged with two-three starting IHs on him...no, it didnt convince me)
I dont really know how often the boss hits, but I think it will be once in 3 seconds or similar.
No, I dont have good gear. With 30% channeling stream channels about a bit less than 2 seconds I guess. Tudum tudum calculator says 1,75. I find it fast enough, all you need is just keep hammering that button when purge pink clouds appear. However I think we just go our ways that we see working and thats it.
Did anyone mention wings of protection btw? Sometimes also lifesaver when casted on low hp purged dying poor hungry undercooled fluffy adorable kitty, not good cooldown though.
As for WoP, yeah I do use it. But in very extreme cases of barb's agony xD Only because, as you said, because of the CD, you shouldn't be able to use it twice in the same boss fight. (unless the squad is really underpowered and takes forever to kill it) WoP is a bit like a very precious tool that you have to use very wisely because of the CD.
Edit: Oh yeah, and if I happen to use it, I almost always stream right away after using it, without bothering with IHs before, since WoP already acts as the security measure I like to take before channeling stream.0 -
hahaha. Neg,i think ure just being emo...
I only agree with the "old" part of the topic. cause u re rly old.
Now go run moar nirvanas to pay me the coins u owe me. lol b:kiss0
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