Interesting Discovery: Absorb Soul

Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oh cool. Let's see here. See if you can test it against the invincible buff for starters. Absolute Domain, Sparking, Feral Concentration, and see if anyone's willing to blow an IG powder (or a lesser version of it) for a test. Please and thank you. b:thanks

OK, today wont be possible, I'll try tomorrow and I'll keep a note

Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sounds good. Thanks again. b:cute

Such a mature and pleasant conversation. I have been longing for this to appear in the harsh world of PWI forum.

Back to the topic, this skill also deals full damage Air -> Ground, which is quite interesting.

Another thing that would be worth to test, is whether Absorb Soul can keep target on stealthed sin. (bad english, sorry). Example : Mystic managed to get a lock-on to a Sin, pressed the shortcut key to initiate Absorb Soul channeling. Then, halfway through the channeling, the Sin dissapear. What would happen then ?

Let's see if this skill can break through stealth ...

Edit: Forgot to mention, my personal thanks for OP and Derressh for the effort.

windblow64 wrote: »

Such a mature and pleasant conversation. I have been longing for this to appear in the harsh world of PWI forum.

Back to the topic, this skill also deals full damage Air -> Ground, which is quite interesting.

Another thing that would be worth to test, is whether Absorb Soul can keep target on stealthed sin. (bad english, sorry). Example : Mystic managed to get a lock-on to a Sin, pressed the shortcut key to initiate Absorb Soul channeling. Then, halfway through the channeling, the Sin dissapear. What would happen then ?

Let's see if this skill can break through stealth ...

Edit: Forgot to mention, my personal thanks for OP and Derressh for the effort.

Every skill keeps channeling and casts if an assassin stealths half way through the channeling

Not entirely relevant, or irrelevant for that matter. Use Lysing on a Punishing Sting and it doesn't affect elemental immune mobs either, even though the Punishing Sting's normal attack does. Weird - no way that can be intended b:puzzled

windblow64 wrote: »

Such a mature and pleasant conversation. I have been longing for this to appear in the harsh world of PWI forum.

Back to the topic, this skill also deals full damage Air -> Ground, which is quite interesting.

Another thing that would be worth to test, is whether Absorb Soul can keep target on stealthed sin. (bad english, sorry). Example : Mystic managed to get a lock-on to a Sin, pressed the shortcut key to initiate Absorb Soul channeling. Then, halfway through the channeling, the Sin dissapear. What would happen then ?

Let's see if this skill can break through stealth ...

Edit: Forgot to mention, my personal thanks for OP and Derressh for the effort.

It works for my wiz too, when I'm casting Pyrogram, Divine Pyrogram, or w/e it deals domages to the sin even if he's in stealth

Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »

- Has almost 0 aggro-pulling capability (Probably the only time you'll aggro a mob with Absorb Soul is if it hasn't been hit yet)

I've noticed this too. Pretty nice since it lets my summon finish off the monster.

This might be an odd question, but can we use absorb soul to pull? Like how we use zeal's earthflame to pull. If it behaves weird on aggro, maybe it'd work for this. Sadly, I can't test it atm.

Edit: Finally able to test. It does not work well for pulling.

I use this skill often since I like to 1 shot mobs. But I find the long channeling time to be a drawback if there are a bunch of aggro mobs that re-spawn quickly.

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

- doesn't show in log, no atk levels -> dot damage
- doesn't work on magic immun -> magic attack(probably wood element test it on mountainfinger in abadon pls)

so its a non damage wood(?) magic attack with a single tick physical(?) dot yay

sounds like pw gets screwed more and more...b:avoid

tested it against players anddd...hens.

The results:

PvE:
lvl1 AS - lvl1 wood mastery 1038 dmg

lvl1 AS - lvl3 wood mastery 1038 dmg

conclusion:
1. wood mastery does not increase AS dmg




PvP:
lvl1 AS VS unbuffed bm74 dmg

lvl1 AS VS active demon belled BM 45 dmg

lvl1 AS VS demon belled BM 56 dmg

lvl1 AS VS TE 56 dmg

lvl1 AS VS nulify poision 56 dmg

lvl1 AS VS expel 56 dmg

lvl1 AS vs sutra power orb resist

lvl1 AS vs Kun Kun resist

Conclusion:
1. absorb souls dmg is affected by targets physical deffence
2. absorb soul is not affected by magic resistance
2. Absorb soul will still deal dmg if target is immune to physical attacks
3. absorb soul will not deal dmg if target gains immunity status
4. again AS does not deal wood dmg
5. Target must not be immune to magic dmg for AS to hit


too much time on my handsb:surrender

Pingfu - Archosaur wrote: »

tested it against players anddd...hens.

The results:

PvE:
lvl1 AS - lvl1 wood mastery 1038 dmg

lvl1 AS - lvl3 wood mastery 1038 dmg

conclusion:
1. wood mastery does not increase AS dmg




PvP:
lvl1 AS VS unbuffed bm74 dmg

lvl1 AS VS active demon belled BM 45 dmg

lvl1 AS VS demon belled BM 56 dmg

lvl1 AS VS TE 56 dmg

lvl1 AS VS nulify poision 56 dmg

lvl1 AS VS expel 56 dmg

lvl1 AS vs sutra power orb resist

lvl1 AS vs Kun Kun resist

Conclusion:
1. absorb souls dmg is affected by targets physical deffence
2. absorb soul is not affected by magic resistance
2. Absorb soul will still deal dmg if target is immune to physical attacks
3. absorb soul will not deal dmg if target gains immunity status
4. again AS does not deal wood dmg
5. Target must not be immune to magic dmg for AS to hit


too much time on my handsb:surrender

Let me add that for soul absorb to deal heavy damage it should be combine with nature vengeance some mobs and players will resist to get this buff spammed and then using soul absorb will deal a lot of damage

Vorken - Archosaur wrote: »

If two mystics are attacking the same mob and mystic #1 casts nature vengeance and mystic #2 casts soul absorb, does the soul absorb do the extra damage?

Yes ^^.

me and my mystic friend do it in BHs all the time on mobs.

xxxdsmer wrote: »

well there is a venomancer petskill called pierce that does a flat amount of damage regardless of buffs (and maybe even armor defense values)... so perhaps this skill was meant to work in a similar fashion. it does, after all, have quite nerfed stats for players whereas its skill description looks totally painful to mobs/bosses.

Sounds like an interesting viewpoint on the skill.

I do know that Absorb Soul does take armor defense values into account when dealing damage, but other than that, they sound pretty similar.

KareszPsych - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well, this skill is definitely very strange...

While killing the 49 culti bosses around FB51, I noticed that the nature's vengeance effect didn't actually tick, so basically I wasn't able to inflict double damage. I'm not sure if this is the case with other bosses as well?

I wanted to test my damage on Farng using spark + RG + nature's vengeance + absorb soul, and to my surprise, Farng just resisted the hit...

This bugs me a little bit, seeing how this is pretty much the only single target high damage spell (that the mystic can cast and not their summons) the mystic has, so the skill being this unreliable isn't very positive for me.

Yeah, quite a few mobs (and most bosses) resist the nature's vengeance amp, which is bothersome.

And I've also noticed that seemingly random mobs resist the skill completely (some mobs when I was doing my fb51 for instance). I'll add that little tidbit to the list.

KareszPsych - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I also think it probably has something to do with the mobs / bosses resisting the buff due to its slowing effect.

NV- Nature's vengeance. AS-Absorb soul.

Another thing to test would be skills/pots that make players immune to movement debuffs, and see if the NV debuff will affect them and allow AS to do 2x dmg (even if it doesnt apply the slow effect as well).

My guess is no.

However given the current unpredictability of AS, it is worth testing in both duels/pvp.




One more thing, not really super important for daily gameplay but worth mentioning: TW.

Currently only a select few debuffs work on towers and crystals in TW, while others are useless(i.e. veno's soul degen works, yet amp doesnt.).

I'm curious whether NV will work here, and if it would count these things as mobs in regard to damage dealt by AS. If the debuff does work, maybe some 6 mystic tower-killing parties will be seen. :P

Anywho anyone willing to test this would be appreciated.

In PQ on my mystic I noticed that bit about aggro, I'd send in my pet, fire off Natures Vengeance which does around 3K, then Absorb Soul which does 14-15K, though its a longer channel, I should of pulled aggro but I did not. Unless the devil pet has some sort of +% modifier of damage to threat generation. As far as ignoring all defenses from other player skills and stuff, it could be just a bug, or it might be intended. As Absorb Soul cannot crit, and its damage to players is reduced compared to mobs. EG. "Does 1500 damage to players, does 3000 to monster" I think it said in tooltip. Otherwise if its "pierce" abilities are intended, the damage to players was reduced, and its not able to crit, otherwise with channeling gear, Absorb Soul would be one heck of an OP nuke if it could crit and if it hit for the same base damage as monsters and go through other players damage reduction skills as well. Everyone would be screaming on forums, NERF MYSTICS!!!

I noticed the immunity of elemental resistant mobs when using Absorb Soul back when I was level 40 doing the Coming of Age: Dexterity quest. Where you have to kill 5 Staunch Worms. Even though the spell is supposed to do physical damage, I got a big red RESIST where the damage should of been. Had to let my devil pet go at them.

Does AS wake someone up who has been slept? I bet not...

Really AS seems like a 0 damage wood attack that applies a physical DoT that only ticks once. This is how they implemented it to never crit since DoT damage also never crits and bypasses several reductions.