Thanks for hurting archers again

Demon_troll - Harshlands
Demon_troll - Harshlands Posts: 622 Arc User
edited March 2011 in Archer
I heard there are new classs, seekers habe better buffs and mystics too, and mystics can knockback, another type of veno... what good is evasion buff? 5 aps barbs, bms, sins do better, dding. It is not fair, archers, like in tje other game i play are basically useless. At least archers in that game can pve. I guess i might as well play fps... We are just useless...
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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Now you make me realize that i didn't see any thread about archer on new posts recently. . (b:shocked)

    Maybe you feel like that because seeker had lots long range ability as a natural HA user ? Even compared to pole bm . . (the range) And long range teleport stun like sin ?
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  • Demon_troll - Harshlands
    Demon_troll - Harshlands Posts: 622 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Now you make me realize that i didn't see any thread about archer on new posts recently. . (b:shocked)

    Maybe you feel like that because seeker had lots long range ability as a natural HA user ? Even compared to pole bm . . (the range) And long range teleport stun like sin ?

    yea, i was told... Only good skill was passive n spark for the archer.... Not even ultis are useful which takes two spark
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    And mystic pvp knockback ?
    And mystic verdant shell ? (that can reach + 80% phy def buff)
    And mystic come back to live skill ?
    And mystic summons aoe ?
    And mystic plant traps ?
    (b:shocked)
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Except for voidstep (which has a 3 minute cooldown), the longest ranged seeker skills are 25m, and their 25m range skills have 15 second cooldown (and their normal attack is melee range).

    They have very good skills, but you do have some advantages over them, and its not their fault if you cannot figure out how to use your advantages.
  • Bentus - Dreamweaver
    Bentus - Dreamweaver Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Archers will still outdamage seekers most of the times <.<

    1.) Better Range
    2.) Higher Crit Rate
    3.) Good Aspd
    4.) Better AoE
    5.) HP debuff skill?
    6.) Higher DPH

    Over all higher DPS.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    1.) Better Range - yes
    2.) Higher Crit Rate - against God of Frenzy?
    3.) Good Aspd - no
    4.) Better AoE - no
    5.) HP debuff skill? - God forbid a class gets a debuff, that's like saying Venos get amp and Seekers don't
    6.) Higher DPH - no

    Archers probably have the lowest skill damage of all the classes, so no, archers will not out damage endgame seekers, especially R9 Jone's Bless Seekers with God of Frenzy.

    However, archers do have the highest base damage of all the classes. Archers don't have to use a lot of resources to kill someone (not a lot of chi needed, not a lot of skill chaining necessary), thus, archers still have very consistent performance against their targets in mass PvP (ie: robes), and other classes can't top that under most circumstances.
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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Bentus - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    4.) Better AoE
    6.) Higher DPH

    As as seeker you should know how high was your damage . . (b:surrender)
    No other physical class has 450% damage modifier
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    a 5.0 fist seeker would still out damage the **** out of a 5.0 archer. Dont forget to mention that.
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    a 5.0 fist seeker would still out damage the **** out of a 5.0 archer. Dont forget to mention that.

    Except there's no such thing as a 5.0 fist seeker since seekers can't use fists.

    They can, however, get to 2.86 with a sword. as seen here
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    Except there's no such thing as a 5.0 fist seeker since seekers can't use fists.

    They can, however, get to 2.86 with a sword. as seen here

    Do we know yet if their demon spark will increase their attack rate? (They might, instead, get +700% weapon damage, or something like that.)
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Do we know yet if their demon spark will increase their attack rate? (They might, instead, get +700% weapon damage, or something like that.)

    True, though we can assume they'll have the same type of spark bonuses as the other (mainly) physical classes. Even if it doesn't, though, there are still various genie skills and buffs that can be used for the attack rate bonus.
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Do we know yet if their demon spark will increase their attack rate? (They might, instead, get +700% weapon damage, or something like that.)

    From what i see they try to make earthguard got unique skills (but not really original) that work differently from the usual skills that exist already. Example buff placer to trigger effect and skills with multiple effects that can chain with other skill.

    Tough i think 700% damage spark is better for seeker ? (b:surrender)

    Anyway isn't these archer forum . . (b:avoid)
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  • Vasilisk - Harshlands
    Vasilisk - Harshlands Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Seeker has same trouble as archer - most skills is base+fix damage. Only low number of skills has base+%+fix which is better for high refined weapon. All good skills has or long cooldown or spark require. Also chain skills and monster only amps. So look like seeker is PVE class. What seeker will do on TW even if bm's main object is stunlock?
    Archer still powerfull DD class and very usefull for TW. So no, archers not hurt MORE by new classes. They still in same position...
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i think the purpose of this thread is revealed by the name of the user , and that's plain QQ.

    Most archers i see ( PVE & PVP ) are much or less unaffected by genesis.
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  • Ignathas - Sanctuary
    Ignathas - Sanctuary Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    im not useless b:bye
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Vasilisk - Harshlands wrote: »
    Seeker has same trouble as archer - most skills is base+fix damage. Only low number of skills has base+%+fix which is better for high refined weapon. All good skills has or long cooldown or spark require. Also chain skills and monster only amps. So look like seeker is PVE class. What seeker will do on TW even if bm's main object is stunlock?
    Archer still powerfull DD class and very usefull for TW. So no, archers not hurt MORE by new classes. They still in same position...

    Except their bigger nukes have a lot more fixed damage than most physical classes, and chaining combos add extra damage. This could easily be on par with extra damage weapon adds from even +12 weapons. Seekers can easily bypass charm with some of their skills with another BM (or sin, or Occult Ice ffs) keeping people in place.

    Archer position in PvP stays the same, but Seekers will do fine in mass PvP
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  • Sereneai - Dreamweaver
    Sereneai - Dreamweaver Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    archers have never been useless, nor will they ever be. get over your Mystic QQ seeker QQ and go play.
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    1.) Better Range - yes
    2.) Higher Crit Rate - against God of Frenzy?
    3.) Good Aspd - no
    4.) Better AoE - no
    5.) HP debuff skill? - God forbid a class gets a debuff, that's like saying Venos get amp and Seekers don't
    6.) Higher DPH - no

    Archers probably have the lowest skill damage of all the classes, so no, archers will not out damage endgame seekers, especially R9 Jone's Bless Seekers with God of Frenzy.

    However, archers do have the highest base damage of all the classes. Archers don't have to use a lot of resources to kill someone (not a lot of chi needed, not a lot of skill chaining necessary), thus, archers still have very consistent performance against their targets in mass PvP (ie: robes), and other classes can't top that under most circumstances.

    I think BMs have the lowest skill damage. They have no big ultis, or powerful moves. Just powerful debuffs so others can get the damage. b:surrender
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Sins did far more harm to archers than the Earthguard.
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  • Ignathas - Sanctuary
    Ignathas - Sanctuary Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    true lol even had to make a new char = sin, wich i never wanted :> just for instance farming purposes
  • grimreaperhc
    grimreaperhc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Ignathas - Sanctuary wrote: »
    true lol even had to make a new char = sin, wich i never wanted :> just for instance farming purposes

    To be honest I`m thinking about doing the same thing ... though I love my archer too much b:sad
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  • AnarchyArrow - Lost City
    AnarchyArrow - Lost City Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    just becouse seekers are OP with there skills doesnt mean they are unbeatable, keep in mind they wear HA so 3spark and hit them with lighting idk how many 9x bms ive 1 shot doing that and 9x barbs ive 3 shot. b:victory
  • Yulk_owns - Lost City
    Yulk_owns - Lost City Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Jesus... *facewall* XD
    I, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.

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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Demon_troll is Demon_EA? b:puzzled
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Demon_troll is Demon_EA? b:puzzled

    Yes dude, He would totally start over after he QQ's about how leveling is to slow in this game.
    truekossy wrote: »
    Except there's no such thing as a 5.0 fist seeker since seekers can't use fists.

    They can, however, get to 2.86 with a sword. as seen here

    Oh darn I didn't know they couldn't :)

    I also didn't know that single swords could even have interval lol.

    But why would you want 2.86 with a crappy 3 star when 2.5 with rank 8/9 is way better. Hell 2.5 with fire lotus is better :)
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Oh darn I didn't know they couldn't :)

    I also didn't know that single swords could even have interval lol.

    But why would you want 2.86 with a crappy 3 star when 2.5 with rank 8/9 is way better. Hell 2.5 with fire lotus is better :)

    This, I totally agree with. Only reason I'd even consider using the OHT sword with interval is if I was being slow while leveling or, for whatever reason, didn't already have R8/9 on a seeker.

    Well... that, and maybe because OHT weapons look sexy so I'd be able to use the weap as fash like I do with some of my older weaps on different chars. b:dirty
  • Yulk_owns - Lost City
    Yulk_owns - Lost City Posts: 936 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    Except there's no such thing as a 5.0 fist seeker since seekers can't use fists.

    They can, however, get to 2.86 with a sword. as seen here

    You're doing it wrong.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=72c2c197a34a9f3b
    I, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.

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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »
    You're doing it wrong.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=72c2c197a34a9f3b

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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »
    You're doing it wrong.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=72c2c197a34a9f3b
    Except that you can't have the same unique add-on on anything more than once and the fact that the odds of crafting wrists with full resists AND the -int add on it thrice (muchless, just getting three of the -int adds) is so low that you may as well say it won't happen...

    I still can't even call you a failure because it's an insult to those who legitimately fail at this game.
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »
    You're doing it wrong.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=72c2c197a34a9f3b

    Life can be so much better when Yulks gives you a chance to laugh.

    PS u cant have more than 1 Rare adds on a weapon. Sword BMs and Seekers can get decent interval power with Standard int gear.
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