My observation

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · March 2011

So guys. I logged again after I think 8 months(not playing). I was grinding in valley of the scared and I can tell you, that coins drops from mobs was terribly nerfed. Before my break I could find +1000 coins drop from single mob. Now the max was around 600, but the most it was around 250 coins. And I killed hundreds of mobs.I found lot of time even 20 or 35 coins. Also dropping DQ items is lower. b:angry

But why they NEVER tell anything about it? Why they are quiet?
I know why it it. Because they are forcing people to open packs and hope for token of best luck. b:angry

lmaonade1xp · March 2011

the optimistic view is that PWE nerfed DQ drops so that DQ points are a bit harder to accumulate (to either provide a challenge or to keep people logging on to the game) and the coins were nerfed for an unknown reason (yes, this is optimistic >__>)

the pessimistic view is that PWE nerfed coins and created a bunch of coin sinks along with the expansion in hope that people will charge zen to make up for the difference in coin. And nerfed DQ drops so that people can't get certain cash shop worthy items (such as the wraith badges) for free very easily.

netoperusnovo · March 2011

Might be an indicator of increasing PWI comunity...so if demand goes up, PWI adjusts supply (pure economical approach

Ursa - Dreamweaver · March 2011

nope, it's just an indicator of greed. If you don't have ingame coins or a way to make them, you're more likely to charge cash.
I can tell you for sure at the time I opened VoS the server active population was waaay higher than now.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · March 2011

Drops haven't changed for me, you're probably just unlucky.

Doggy_Stylez - Lost City · March 2011

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Drops haven't changed for me, you're probably just unlucky.

Do you mean since the recent expansion or do you mean since 8 months ago, which was the original point?

To address the original point, the GM's did announce that DQ drops were being nerfed... their reasoning being something about "gold-farmers selling gold illegally on chinese servers"... a very obvious lie they were ordered by their bosses to tell, because if they tell you "we're doing it to make more money from zhen" more players quit the game.

I don't remember anything being mentioned about gold drops being nerfed but they have been.

(Rawrgh if your planning to argue... dont bother... your wrong.. they have been... i know this cos i used to track gold drops before the DQ Change)

These changes may have actually been more than 8 months ago im not sure... b:bye

Kehrendorh - Archosaur · March 2011

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Drops haven't changed for me, you're probably just unlucky.

So by your statement (which, I have noticed, is very common among your posts), just because drops supposedly haven't changed for you over the past 8 months [which is near impossible to recollect, unless you kept track of every single day's, week's or month's drop rate], makes it so the OP is 'unlucky', and therefore, wrong in his/her observation that the coin rate has INDEED been dropped without the upfront admission of PWE?

Sorry to burst your bubble, son, but that isn't how things work.

The best way to approach this thread is to acknowledge the OP's observation, and giving the knowledge that indeed, DQ droprate has been nerfed, and their suspicion of coin nerf may also be true or false, unfortunately, it is unprovable unless someone can compare code from an original game files to the newly released game files.

netoperusnovo · March 2011

To me, it's pretty obvious that, what Mumintroll tested, is really the case, since, judging by his post, he's an experienced player, and knows what he's doing, so I don't think there is a need to confirm it. Look's pretty obvious, that PWI made some changes as to how easy it is for players to become more powerful in the game. I'm not surprised either because the worst case scenario of a game is one that you can bit easily.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide · March 2011

Doggy_Stylez - Lost City wrote: »

Do you mean since the recent expansion or do you mean since 8 months ago, which was the original point?

To address the original point, the GM's did announce that DQ drops were being nerfed... their reasoning being something about "gold-farmers selling gold illegally on chinese servers"... a very obvious lie they were ordered by their bosses to tell, because if they tell you "we're doing it to make more money from zhen" more players quit the game.

I don't remember anything being mentioned about gold drops being nerfed but they have been.

(Rawrgh if your planning to argue... dont bother... your wrong.. they have been... i know this cos i used to track gold drops before the DQ Change)

These changes may have actually been more than 8 months ago im not sure... b:bye

Actually the nerf was to the PRICE of DQ items, specifically a 20% reduction in the amount of coin received from vendoring DQ items, NOT the drop rate.

Sorry, you're wrong. b:bye

Kehrendorh - Archosaur wrote: »

So by your statement (which, I have noticed, is very common among your posts), just because drops supposedly haven't changed for you over the past 8 months [which is near impossible to recollect, unless you kept track of every single day's, week's or month's drop rate], makes it so the OP is 'unlucky', and therefore, wrong in his/her observation that the coin rate has INDEED been dropped without the upfront admission of PWE?

Sorry to burst your bubble, son, but that isn't how things work.

The best way to approach this thread is to acknowledge the OP's observation, and giving the knowledge that indeed, DQ droprate has been nerfed, and their suspicion of coin nerf may also be true or false, unfortunately, it is unprovable unless someone can compare code from an original game files to the newly released game files.

The fact remains, no one has yet to provide any concrete evidence that drops have been nerfed other than "I totally get less drops."

Sorry, but there's no proof that the drop rate has been lowered.

Olbaze - Sanctuary · March 2011

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So guys. I logged again after I think 8 months(not playing). I was grinding in valley of the scared and I can tell you, that coins drops from mobs was terribly nerfed. Before my break I could find +1000 coins drop from single mob. Now the max was around 600, but the most it was around 250 coins. And I killed hundreds of mobs.I found lot of time even 20 or 35 coins. Also dropping DQ items is lower. b:angry

But why they NEVER tell anything about it? Why they are quiet?
I know why it it. Because they are forcing people to open packs and hope for token of best luck. b:angry

Um, I believe the mobs you see in OVS are these buggers. As you can see, the coin amount clearly does not average 1,000.

I'd like to point you to such a thing as memories often being idealistic, misleading or downright false.

And unless you have some well-documented data on those coin drops and DQ drops, all you have is your memory which isn't exactly an accurate measure by any means. Also, if you look at the drop table for the mob, they have a 88% chance to drop nothing at all, with a grand total of ~4% chance for a single DQ.

Unless you have accurately documented killing thousands of these mobs before and after your return, your word is worthelss. And by "accurately", I mean documenting every single mob and exactly what they dropped. And somehow I doubt you've done that.

Personally my grinding results have been at or higher than the numbers suggested for the mobs I've been grinding on recently.

Ajani - Harshlands · March 2011

Ye i also noted that when i got back. Few drops of coins and DQ's. Not hard to figure out since less ingame coin u have higher are the odds of charging zhen. So charge zhen or spend countless hours to get few hundred coins.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · March 2011

It's not much of an "observation" if your idea of a number is "a lot" or "not enough".

If you ever bothered to use actual numbers you'd see drops haven't changed. DQ NPC price was changed (and announced) a while ago but now DQs are worth more than ever due to DQ points.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary · March 2011

How come the people who don't bother to keep accurate records always err on the side of, "PWI is secretly ripping us off!!!"?

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · March 2011

Guys I know my experience. I was grinding these mobs in hundreds every day 8 months ago. As for wizards it was really easy and quite profitable. I was grinding yesterday and today and dropped gold from mobs is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than it use to be. This is the fact not just felling. You can kill in 1h hundreds these mobs so I know how much money I earned 8 months ago and now. In these days is LESS than 1/2 what I earned 8 moths ago.

Xarathox - Dreamweaver · March 2011

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Guys I know my experience. I was grinding these mobs in hundreds every day 8 months ago. As for wizards it was really easy and quite profitable. I was grinding yesterday and today and dropped gold from mobs is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than it use to be. This is the fact not just felling. You can kill in 1h hundreds these mobs so I know how much money I earned 8 months ago and now. In these days is LESS than 1/2 what I earned 8 moths ago.

That's still not a number.

netoperusnovo · March 2011

Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That's still not a number.

But it does say something about the statistical change, or change proportion-wise. Then again, without any proof it is really like trying to write on water's surface.

Xarathox - Dreamweaver · March 2011

netoperusnovo wrote: »

But it does say something about the statistical change, or change proportion-wise.

Not even.

Just because someone screams "omg, I haven't been playing for 8 months so my memory, that's totally unreliable, makes me believe the past was completely different than it actually was/is! doesn't make it true, or even remotely close to it.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · March 2011

Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That's still not a number.

What are you talking about? She not only capitalized it but also changed the text color to red! If that's not a number I don't know what is.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · March 2011

Guys Why you don't get it? If I 8 moths ago earned in 40min. at least +600K coins and now I'm earning around 250K it's significant difference. It's not just coincidence. I know it because this was the easiest way for wizards to earn some money, so I did it almost every day if spot wasn't occupied. Earnings includes also DQ drops and another drops. But majority was from coins.

CheetahWoods - Raging Tide · March 2011

i have played since a year ago january..that would be going on 14months.

total nab time i realize BUT significantly longer than "8 months"

i NEVER got 1000 coins from a mob. EVER.

FWIW, there were threads regarding best refining chances around here somewhere. In these threads, srs hardcore math geeks went ape with the statistics to establish refining patterns and probabilities.

Amidst those posts it became evident that to get samples with high probabilities of accuracy, several thousand mobs needed to be killed and logged. seemed like they mentioned 5000-6000ish..been awhile..check the threads out...but the sample sizes are pretty big

NOW, i read this thread and just shake my head.

ALSO, the servers sort of have "moods". i farmed well over 1000glaze.
farmed 2 kinds of bats, moths and these frickin L96 spiders in a cold place.

I kept some counts with hash marks on glaze drops. one day i hashed over 250 moth kills with ZERO glaze. the noobnabnub in me wanted to qq "drop rate is nerfed boo-QQ-hoo)

so then last week i decide to see what kind of dq i could get for some more random pigments from dragon points. LOL U GOTTABEKIDDINME i rocked 50 glaze 2 relaxed days of grinding moths for dq. since day 1 i never had such a high % round of glaze drop.
i was easily getting 5-10 an hour avg

IN CONCLUSION..this was more than enough proof for me that you have to kill thousands of mobs to get a true feel for the servers overall. any little snapshot in time of a few hundred kills shows you nada. and worse leads some people to draw conclusions from said snapshots

netoperusnovo · March 2011

And it creates something I dislike: instead of just enjoying the game, people are trying to reveal the technicalities behind the scene to make it easier to play. Easier isn't better!

sangodoc · March 2011

Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not even.

Just because someone screams "omg, I haven't been playing for 8 months so my memory, that's totally unreliable, makes me believe the past was completely different than it actually was/is! doesn't make it true, or even remotely close to it.

Totally agree.

There has been study after study after study about the unreliability of memory, and yet some people insist that it's so reliable, when they usually can't even give any verifiable information to back themselves up.

For what it's worth, 8 months ago is around patch 358, unfortunately sLEdit can only read from patch 402 or later, but if you name any mob that's supposedly been "nerfed" I can compare the drop rate from 402 versus the current patch.

Just curious, but if anyone thinks such a huge nerf happened, why was there no uproar whenever it supposedly happened? The simple answer is, it never did happen, it's just your memory playing tricks on you.

Look, I'm somewhat dyslexic, so my memory plays tricks on me all the time. I've learned not to trust it, and to verify whenever possible. But this has only made me more aware of this happening to people around me as well, so I find it kind of irksome when they don't take the time to check their claims, let alone even consider that their memories may be wrong.

Alasen - Heavens Tear · March 2011

CheetahWoods - Raging Tide wrote: »

i have played since a year ago january..that would be going on 14months.

total nab time i realize BUT significantly longer than "8 months"

i NEVER got 1000 coins from a mob. EVER.

I'm just quoting you since you said it, but i'd like to mention something. ALOT less then 8 months ago (try a month) I was grinding mobs in OHT, the first few mobs for a quest. quite a few dropped 1,000+ coins.... lol however i think they were like... "increased life" mobs. But ya.. it does happen. STILL...

Xarathox - Dreamweaver · March 2011

Alasen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm just quoting you since you said it, but i'd like to mention something. ALOT less then 8 months ago (try a month) I was grinding mobs in OHT, the first few mobs for a quest. quite a few dropped 1,000+ coins.... lol however i think they were like... "increased life" mobs. But ya.. it does happen. STILL...

It's quite common to see 1k coin drops at 90+.

I see 2k on rare occasions on my barb, dropped by lvl [?] mobs in Unicorn map.

Eden - Raging Tide · March 2011

is there any coincidence that the op name has troll in it?

i havent seen any indication that aside of going from 1x to 2x drops that drop rate have been altered at all

Lyritha - Heavens Tear · March 2011

I actually earn more than since starting the game from grinding.... the DQ points allow for that amount of time you spent grinding DQ to equal anywhere from 600k-5 million coins.

My observation

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