MutliClient= Temp ban or Perma Ban?

Should be perma ban since you know its banable

KrittyCat wrote: »

Somehow I think that temp-banning somebody who deliberately breaks the ToS is like slapping the wrist of a thief...that really isn't going to stop then from doing it again. Therefore, my best guess would be a perma-ban...but better not to find out the hard way, hm?

Thief's do get a slap on the wrist depending on the severity of the crime. PWI gains nothing by having people go out and buy a second pc to multi box so amazes me why they take this stance on people multi clienting. Nothing will change no solid reason will be given the world will keep turning.

Having more characters online at the same time is for rich ppl (in real-life) only... Like most of the stuff in this game... Meaning you'll need to buy a whole new pc just to be able to do it... The fact that you can just do it is a trap... They tempt you into it (cause it's so damn easy), then ban you and keep all the cash you spent on this game so you'll need to start over again and yet spent another few 100$ in this game to get your stuff back... But realy don't try to find out the hard way... Since it's banable it'd be a waste if you lose everything you worked/payed for... No refunds will be given I think...

scorpillro wrote: »

I've always wondered why people can't open two clients at once.
What's the big deal with it?

They probably make some kind of profit from not allowing it... Only reason I can think of... b:scorn

Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide wrote: »

If they claim it is due to bandwidth it almost makes me feel tempted to go in to work on a public holiday and use all of the 300+ computers put them all in arch on lvl 1 accounts and make them dance

tell me when your going to do that so i can stay out of that lag fest b:surrender

Eden - Raging Tide wrote: »

in most cases its not a ban at all

the way pwi treat it is like american "dont ask dont tell"

dont admit to doing it, dont show off, and u never get banned

no, when people advertise for the alt fcs, it's pretty obvious, yet noone gets banned for it.

Eden - Raging Tide wrote: »

in most cases its not a ban at all

the way pwi treat it is like american "dont ask dont tell"

dont admit to doing it, dont show off, and u never get banned

i bet a large number of ppl who post here do multiclient


probly because pwi allowing it make legitimite the excuse to use bots that also use multiclient idk

if u ever see any crappy bot infested game they usually have one computer running a ton of bots at once using some sort of multiclient device

think of this on a larger scale with many computer

i realize there r bot programs and they can be used in pwi but it is so easy to lvl and get money in this game without them u really have to be a fail player and gamer to use one

while i wont snitch on actual players i know who use multiclient.. which is a hell of a lot anyways and pwi would lose an huge percent of their players by banning people who doing it... i would snitch on a botter in a heart beat which r very easy to spot in game and i only seen a handful b4 all on pve server and all around city of the lost

interesting. Why do i get the sense that this post will be deleted?

IDynasty - Dreamweaver wrote: »

sorry, but doesn't ppl do alt fcs to lvl their ALT with their MAIN lvl 90+ summit. means u gotta run 2 clients.4

not really.
90+ finish fc all the way in till heads.
one stays in team the others log off and go on their alts.
The alts are added to the team.
The final squad member activates heads then quickly logs off and logs on.
(with his alt already at heads)
~

Well, I'm against both.
With multi client, the need for people to play in teams with others deteriorates, since they just create multiple characters on multiple account, and use those to create a team and buff/help themselves.
Secondly, a permanent ban is pretty stupid because you don't give a chance for a player to rethink his/her actions. I'd say a temporary ban for a month is harsh enough, if not too harsh already. I'd lean toward a weekly temporary ban as a default duration, but it really depends on the administration of the game - users usually have little to say in this regard.

However whatever they fear can still be achieved even on 2 separate computers. I think there is an underlying untold REAL reason for not allowing this. >>

That's the thing: running multiple game clients and characters on a single computer distorts the real picture and mechanics of the game.
Imagine playing poker with 3 other people, that, as you later learn, are multiple characters controlled by the same person.
That means that:
- there is only one person you interact with, not 3,
- your idea about a challenge, where everyone has similar chance to win is pretty much ruined because now your opponent has more cards and is more powerful than you,
- your frustrated/disappointed because you realize your chances for a fair competition are much smaller, and also the community that you thought is big, is in reality much smaller.

IDynasty - Dreamweaver wrote: »

how can u compare it to poker anyway?



lol sparc u have no idea.

I'm talking about the rules, not what other people may or may not be doing...

IDynasty - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol sparc u have no idea.

good luck getting that to sink in

KrittyCat wrote: »

Somehow I think that temp-banning somebody who deliberately breaks the ToS is like slapping the wrist of a thief...that really isn't going to stop then from doing it again. Therefore, my best guess would be a perma-ban...but better not to find out the hard way, hm?

Except your ToS does not mention multiclienting. So multiclienting is not, in and of itself, a violation of ToS.

(And it's in a low contrast shade of grey, almost like you do not want people reading it?)

But maybe your ToS bans multiclienting indirectly, for some other reason?

One ToS violation could be: modifying the game to allow multiclienting. That's unquestionably bannable (though, based on things other people have been telling me, you either do not have software in place to detect mods, or you frequently ignore that information). But here, just having the mod in place would be the bannable offense -- hypothetically speaking you would be equally bannable whether or not you multiclient.

Another ToS violation could be: "Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players".... except we already have official posts saying that multiboxing is legit, and multiclienting is not an advantage over multiboxing. And it's hard to believe that just clicking on the game program to start it represents a design flaw.

Another ToS violation could be any of the variety of places in the ToS where it says you can be banned for no reason whatsoever or at PWI's discretion. But it's perfectly legit to ask in advance about that kind of issue. And, worse, your response here was totally non-committal about multiclienting. (Of course, if it were bannable your response here says do not do it, but if its not bannable your response here says its fine -- you just did not say.)

The only official statement I can find about multiclienting is from eatswithspoons, and not only does he no longer work here, I have a memory of not being able to start two versions of elementclient.exe back when he was here. So I have some reason to believe he was talking about banning people because of the modding issue. But, just now, I was able to start two copies of elementclient.exe on the same machine without problem (and without any mods).

Mind you... I am not sure that multiclienting is fun. Only certain classes and actions can usefully multi-client. That said, some of the most powerful features of this game are available to players with 10+seconds reaction times: kitty shops are the biggest example of this, but this game also implements afk 5aps permaspark and afk heal macros. So I am of the opinion that someone on the design team for this game wants to support multiclienting -- otherwise classes that require constant activity to be effective would have greatly increased power.

Anyways, I imagine that currently multiclienting should be not-bannable. Based on everything I understand, you should not temporarily ban people. And you certainly should not permanently ban people.

The currently released game supports multiclienting, and this apparently was a deliberate change because mutliclienting did not work before on an unmodded game and it just works.

If you feel differently, I think one of you should post a clear and unambiguous statement that multiclienting is bannable.

And, if you are going to ban multiclienting and not ban multiboxing, I feel you should also explain why you have made that choice -- it used to be that that distinction was because you had to mod the game to multiclient but not multibox but that distinction is no longer relevant because the unmodded game now supports multiclienting.

I expected this question would follow, so let me try to make it more clear:
Just like when you hold some cards in a poker game, in an mmorpg your character has certain skills and equipment, and the same goes for every other player.
But if another player runs multiple clients on his computer, he now can buff himself, and is in this way stronger (he controlls more cards because he controls all the other poker players). So you can think of cards in poker as of buffs, skills, and equipment in an mmorpg. It distorts the proportions, and makes the game unfair, and isn't helping the socializing aspect of the game.

I am pretty sure multi client falls under the l) point in User Conduct of ToS:

(l) Using or exploiting any bugs, errors, or design flaws to obtain unauthorized access to the Service or to gain an unfair advantage over other players,

For example, a person running one client on their computer can sell a fixed number of things at a time, versus a person running multiple clients can sell that amount multiplied by the number of clients running, which is an advantage.
Another example, any given character has limitations as for fighting abilities if it is again a person running a single client. With multiple clients, these limitations are gone because, now you might have a cleric running on another client on your computer, that will support you with buffs, and thus increasing your fighting abilities, which is an advantage over any other player running a single game client on their computer.