res skill is so costly ...

Vixter - Harshlands
Vixter - Harshlands Posts: 1,275 Arc User
edited March 2011 in Mystic
MP wise, that is. I heard somewhere that in another version, their skill got its MP cost reduced and also time limit increased to 30 minutes in an update. is this true? perhaps we will get this also?

are you all going to upgrade this skill any? mines at lvl 2 and already takes 1k mp >_>
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  • ugysekell
    ugysekell Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The skill is just perfect now, no need to make it overpowered. Be happy you got it. Let Clerics do the Revives, please. I am a Cleric and I never whine when I have to waste 1500 mana on my Demon Revive. b:bye
  • shiskibob
    shiskibob Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    posted on wrong one ^^
  • Vixter - Harshlands
    Vixter - Harshlands Posts: 1,275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    thats at lvl 11, and your lvl, what 99+ for that book? you probably have 8-9k mp or even more. this is lvl 2, i have 2k mp at lvl 24. it nearly doubled in 1 skill lvl. by the time its lvl 10, it may cost up to 6-8k mp, you would complain then wouldnt you? theres no way to get that much mp by lvl 64.
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  • ugysekell
    ugysekell Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Nope, lvl 11 Revive is a 89 skill, it was my first Demon skill. b:dirty

    But anyways, be glad PW saves you some money. It's like having infinite free rez scrolls... If you run out of mana, pop a potion and sit down for 30 seconds, problem solved. b:victory It's not much mana for such a useful skill. And after lvl75, you will get mana food anyways, it's cheap and restores 5k mana... And it will be your best friend, I eat them on my Cleric like there's no tomorrow. xD I have all Demon skills so my mana goes bye-bye extremely fast. So yeah, you better get used to it, it's the life of the casters. >.< Except for Veno because they have their epic HP/MP heal skills. <.<

    EDIT: according to ecatomb, the skill will only cost 2660 MP at lvl 10. That's not bad. :3
  • Samaela - Dreamweaver
    Samaela - Dreamweaver Posts: 426 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Vixter - Harshlands wrote: »
    thats at lvl 11, and your lvl, what 99+ for that book? you probably have 8-9k mp or even more. this is lvl 2, i have 2k mp at lvl 24. it nearly doubled in 1 skill lvl. by the time its lvl 10, it may cost up to 6-8k mp, you would complain then wouldnt you? theres no way to get that much mp by lvl 64.

    If etacomb is correct it will cost 2660 MP at level 10. That's not really all that much.

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  • Nella - Sanctuary
    Nella - Sanctuary Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    WTF. Mystics got many heals..... got revive skill. Shut the F up, please. Clerics eat Herbs nonstop in high lvl instances to keep your @ss alive, and you worry about 2600 mana?! : / I bet you guys will pew pew in FCC instead of helping the Cleric heal the squad because OMG I DONT BUFF AND HEAL CUZ IT COSTS SO MUCH QQQQQQQQQQ moar
  • Vixter - Harshlands
    Vixter - Harshlands Posts: 1,275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    wow nella, a little agressive much? did your daddy beat u? -_-

    thanks Samaela for the info. 2.6k isnt much of a jump from lvl 2. probably shoulda took a look at ecatomb, didnt think they were updated with that stuff yet ^^ i was just surprised to see lvl 2 of the skill so high in cost already, thinking if its going to go up by 400 mp each time it will cost at least 4k mp+
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  • Nella - Sanctuary
    Nella - Sanctuary Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Vixter - Harshlands wrote: »
    wow nella, a little agressive much? did your daddy beat u? -_-

    Actually, he did. No wonder my parents divorced.
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Vixter - Harshlands wrote: »
    thats at lvl 11, and your lvl, what 99+ for that book? you probably have 8-9k mp or even more. this is lvl 2, i have 2k mp at lvl 24. it nearly doubled in 1 skill lvl. by the time its lvl 10, it may cost up to 6-8k mp, you would complain then wouldnt you? theres no way to get that much mp by lvl 64.

    um... never mind how much MP the mystics' revive skill might take at max level for now. how many MP do mystics get per mag point? Lenie here's pushing 5k MP at level 65, and she's vit-mag built with pdef and hp shards, as well as pdef ornaments. 6k MP by the mid-6x levels would not be past believable for a pure mag veno sharded right; it'd be squishy as all hell, but doable. how do mystics' mana pools grow, though?
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  • Vixter - Harshlands
    Vixter - Harshlands Posts: 1,275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    um... never mind how much MP the mystics' revive skill might take at max level for now. how many MP do mystics get per mag point? Lenie here's pushing 5k MP at level 65, and she's vit-mag built with pdef and hp shards, as well as pdef ornaments. 6k MP by the mid-6x levels would not be past believable for a pure mag veno sharded right; it'd be squishy as all hell, but doable. how do mystics' mana pools grow, though?

    correct me if im wrong, but i believe mystics get 14 mp per magic
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  • Eliaera - Sanctuary
    Eliaera - Sanctuary Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Vixter - Harshlands wrote: »
    correct me if im wrong, but i believe mystics get 14 mp per magic

    Yes that is correct. Same amount as wizzies, clerics and psys get.
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    two MP/stat point more than venos, then. i don't actually believe their skills will turn out as mana-expensive as guessed at, here, but they'd better be at least as mana-draining as wizards' or psychics' skills or there'd be a(n even worse, another) balance issue.
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  • Eliaera - Sanctuary
    Eliaera - Sanctuary Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    two MP/stat point more than venos, then. i don't actually believe their skills will turn out as mana-expensive as guessed at, here, but they'd better be at least as mana-draining as wizards' or psychics' skills or there'd be a(n even worse, another) balance issue.

    I compared on ecatomb wizzy with mystic and on average Mystics have slightly more mp costs. Note: skill list is not completed yet so I don't have exact numbers but for example at 10 wizzie ultis cost 516 mp, Thicket costs 903 mp.

    One thing though...what balance are you talking about exactly? We're talking about a world where people can hit 5 times per second, so don't expect too much balance..
  • Maya_Natsume - Harshlands
    Maya_Natsume - Harshlands Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Well for the ress skill u can use it several times just high cost but if u die u can get exp, hp and mp back to u so yeah is really perfect to continue doing fc runs when some1 dies
  • TrueHarmony - Archosaur
    TrueHarmony - Archosaur Posts: 332 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    The massive mana cost really isnt worth complaining about, i mean the cool down on mystic rez is gigantic so its not like your asked to spam it like clerics areXD. I find my self throwing about 10 rezzes out per fc because people dont run from ****ing adalwolf fast enough -.-
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  • Kyreah - Raging Tide
    Kyreah - Raging Tide Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TrueHarmony - Archosaur wrote: »
    The massive mana cost really isnt worth complaining about, i mean the cool down on mystic rez is gigantic so its not like your asked to spam it like clerics areXD. I find my self throwing about 10 rezzes out per fc because people dont run from ****ing adalwolf fast enough -.-

    The cooldown is 30 seconds O.o.

    Anyway, coupled with all the other mana-intensive skills (i.e. summons costing MP to summon, and massive amounts to fill their MP bar), I think even at higher levels Mystics will have a problem with mana.
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  • Ivy_ - Dreamweaver
    Ivy_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    My mystic has 2.4k mp at level 22, so even level 1 res does tick my mp charm (never using another one again after this though). At level 6x, she'll probably be close to 6-7k, so 2k will still tick my charm, but the uses outweigh the cons here.

    Throw it on a cleric in FC (or anywhere for that matter) and they don't lose as much exp as they would have if they released. :D

    I've come to the conclusion that a mystic is strictly a pure magic class, because of the mp suckage of a lot of skills. A vit/mag build can work if done right, but anyone who wants to try LA better have lots of turquoise shards. I'm just saying.
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  • TrueHarmony - Archosaur
    TrueHarmony - Archosaur Posts: 332 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Kyreah - Raging Tide wrote: »
    The cooldown is 30 seconds O.o.

    Anyway, coupled with all the other mana-intensive skills (i.e. summons costing MP to summon, and massive amounts to fill their MP bar), I think even at higher levels Mystics will have a problem with mana.


    Lol sorry someone told me it had like a thirty Min cool down, but this was before the skills were out so i guess it was just speculation. But if mystics don't want extreme mana burn they can just put it on clerics. People are so picky about exp loss they probably wont want the mystic rez outside pvp because of the exp loss.


    Mana burn becomes extinct after lvl 75 for ANY class lol. Mana food conquers all
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  • Ivy_ - Dreamweaver
    Ivy_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 246 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TrueHarmony - Archosaur wrote: »
    Lol sorry someone told me it had like a thirty Min cool down, but this was before the skills were out so i guess it was just speculation. But if mystics don't want extreme mana burn they can just put it on clerics. People are so picky about exp loss they probably wont want the mystic rez outside pvp because of the exp loss.


    Mana burn becomes extinct after lvl 75 for ANY class lol. Mana food conquers all

    That is, unless they never put packs on sale again, then it becomes coin burn. b:shocked
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  • TrueHarmony - Archosaur
    TrueHarmony - Archosaur Posts: 332 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Ivy_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    That is, unless they never put packs on sale again, then it becomes coin burn. b:shocked


    If theres one thing we can count on PWI for , its pack salesXD
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  • BurningShock - Harshlands
    BurningShock - Harshlands Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    TrueHarmony - Archosaur wrote: »
    If theres one thing we can count on PWI for , its pack salesXD

    In $$$ we trust, Amen. b:laugh
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  • Tsubakey - Heavens Tear
    Tsubakey - Heavens Tear Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    its a buff so casting it on the entire party just to make sure the party is safe from a wipe is very mana expensive.

    normally what might happen tho is a mystic would cast that skill only on themselves and the cleric. if the ENTIRE party asks for the ress buff then id expect some MP pots to be given out atleast.
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  • Mooy - Heavens Tear
    Mooy - Heavens Tear Posts: 404 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    See what I told you guys 2 months ago about their mp costing <.< Around lvl 80, the mp cost will make you want to kill yourself.

    Yes, ecatomb is right, 2600 mp at lvl 10. No mp cost reduce at sage/demon. I heard rumor in wanmei said that lvl79 skill is regen 5k mp.

    There is no need to cast on other party members if you got cleric since cleric's lvl 11 is reduce exp lost by 100% ad mystic's is 95% for sage and 88% for demon.
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  • Echolight - Dreamweaver
    Echolight - Dreamweaver Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i know T.T it's draining my mystic's mp charm like no tommorow. and also the transfer mp skill for my spirits
  • Vixter - Harshlands
    Vixter - Harshlands Posts: 1,275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    for low lvl its a real killer, but im sure it will be fine when we are 75 ... as like said before, if packs go on sale >_> ha, funny now how we depend on the packs XD
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  • royalraymond
    royalraymond Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    Tsubakey - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    its a buff so casting it on the entire party just to make sure the party is pfftsafe from a wipe is very mana expensive.

    normally what might happen tho is a mystic would cast that skill only on themselves and the cleric. if the ENTIRE party asks for the ress buff then id expect some MP pots to be given out atleast.

    u want pots / coin for a buff ? jog on if everyoen did that FC ould be expensive your there to lvl like everyoen else so u gain from it.

    im a 94 cleric shall i charge for the pots i use?
    or the psy charge?
  • SinfuINature - Harshlands
    SinfuINature - Harshlands Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    why would they need to res buff anyone but the cleric? buff the cleric... everyone dies... mobs/boss resets... cleric res... res other members... try to keep going...
  • Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear
    Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,161 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    SinfuINature - Harshlands wrote: »
    why would they need to res buff anyone but the cleric? buff the cleric... everyone dies... mobs/boss resets... cleric res... res other members... try to keep going...

    I'd put it on the tank as well... having bosses reset is no fun. lol
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  • Vixter - Harshlands
    Vixter - Harshlands Posts: 1,275 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    i agree with tank and cleric, that plus yourself is 7.8k mana? every 15 mins. if u have a charm ur gunna wanna kill urself lol.
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  • kknboy
    kknboy Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2011
    When i cast it on players, i hope that their characters die during the 15 min duration just so that i know that the mp used for the skill didn't go to waste b:pleased

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