the magic question.

Shield - Raging Tide · February 2011

so you probably have this question every single day but i already went trough the guides and im still kinda lost. first that all i would like to say that i have almost 2 years playing this game and i was moderate cs so now while i wait for FW i would like to have fun with this barb and a veno. so my question is:

w/o CS which are the best pets or the pest a veno should get (thinking about a casual player)

what i want is somthing like:

a tank (got the glacial walker)
a mag tank (i was thinking about the frog)
something to pull (something fast like the one that looks like a black tiger)
a flying pet (to DD and maybe just maybe some pk action, pk in my server as all the pve server pretty much sux, i got the Sawfly)

i may end up with 6 pets tho i wanna add

a flying tank ( i heard about a rare pet that is good dont know the name and if is really worth it)
and something to DD with in the ground even though i can use the Sawfly.

so what are the best pets to fill that list? (including the last 2 options)

edit: i do know about some pets that i see a lot in venos.

the armor bear (lol idk the name the big white bear with an armor)
the little white bunny
the little white bear

what are the stats or an overall description of the pets i need and the ones i just mentioned? (something like little bunny: worthles but cute, big white bear xD: ground DD/semi-tank etc worth it) can i add them to my list in any of those categories?

thanks in advance

Mayfly - Dreamweaver · February 2011

Shield - Raging Tide wrote: »

so you probably have this question every single day but i already went trough the guides and im still kinda lost. first that all i would like to say that i have almost 2 years playing this game and i was moderate cs so now while i wait for FW i would like to have fun with this barb and a veno. so my question is:

w/o CS which are the best pets or the pest a veno should get (thinking about a casual player)

what i want is somthing like:

a tank (got the glacial walker)

The glacial walker is the best non-legendary tank pet in the game, so you're good there.

a mag tank (i was thinking about the frog)

A magic tank is totally unnecessary, as there's only one pure magic boss in the game, Hercule Trioc in FB39. You can, however, fill this slot with an eldergoth (marksman or sharpshooter), which can be set to attack from range only, forcing many bosses to cast (some will close to melee regardless.)

something to pull (something fast like the one that looks like a black tiger)

Kowlin's not that great (its only strong point is its speed), and has a minimum level of 60. I prefer to use a range puller (the aforementioned eldergoths.)

a flying pet (to DD and maybe just maybe some pk action, pk in my server as all the pve server pretty much sux, i got the Sawfly)

The sawfly is the best non-legendary DD air pet, so you're fine there. (Some of the higher wasps have a better skill set while not that much lower stats, but if you're happy with the sawfly keep and upgrade it.)

i may end up with 6 pets tho i wanna add

a flying tank ( i heard about a rare pet that is good dont know the name and if is really worth it)

The only non-legendary air pet that can be called a tank is the rare windwalking piggy. There really isn't much call for a flying tank, though.

and something to DD with in the ground even though i can use the Sawfly.

Choices here are the level 2 scorpion (highest attack of any land pet, period), the dark wanderer (highest DPS of any land pet without using skills) or the seamonster guardian (slightly lower DPS than the dark wanderer, higher mdef but lower pdef than the wanderer.)[/QUOTE]

Refer to the Ultimate Pet List for starting stats of all pets, and to Ecatomb's site for the stats of selected pets at 100.

Shield - Raging Tide · February 2011

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

A magic tank is totally unnecessary, as there's only one pure magic boss in the game, Hercule Trioc in FB39. You can, however, fill this slot with an eldergoth (marksman or sharpshooter), which can be set to attack from range only, forcing many bosses to cast (some will close to melee regardless.)

ok there may not be pure mag bosses but they are a lot of melee bosses with high dmg mag attacks (i was thinking to have the "mag tank" for that 2) and mag mobs. so u think i dont need the frog or any other mag pet cuz pretty much the walker can do the job then? i can wait till my 40s to get the eldergoth in case i need it and just forget about the frog then. another scenario when i was thinking this frog may be useful was in pulling 1 mob in a place full of mag mobs idk xD

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Kowlin's not that great (its only strong point is its speed), and has a minimum level of 60. I prefer to use a range puller (the aforementioned eldergoths.)

i was thinking on this pet just as a puller in some cases the speed. but if the eldergoths can do both i rather that one

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The sawfly is the best non-legendary DD air pet, so you're fine there. (Some of the higher wasps have a better skill set while not that much lower stats, but if you're happy with the sawfly keep and upgrade it.)

which one do you recommend?

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The only non-legendary air pet that can be called a tank is the rare windwalking piggy. There really isn't much call for a flying tank, though.

thats what i thought ;D thats the problem when ur first chart is a bm u wanna have 1 of everything same thing happened with my archer i ended up using 3 weapons till 80+

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Choices here are the level 2 scorpion (highest attack of any land pet, period), the dark wanderer (highest DPS of any land pet without using skills) or the seamonster guardian (slightly lower DPS than the dark wanderer, higher mdef but lower pdef than the wanderer.)

i dont see 2 many venos with that pet why everyone goes for the armored bear or the baby white bear or whatever? any thoughts

and ty for taking the time to help me!

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear · February 2011

the armored bear is a great pet, once you hit level 80. i see non-herc venos using it a lot.

the shaodu cub (little white bear) has a great reputation, and i'm always wondering whether it's worth buying one and leveling it up... all the way from level 20. that'd be painful. if i'd had the cash back then, i should've got it back at 20.

the kowlin's fast, and it's pretty. doesn't really have anything else going for it though. it's a might-get pet, because it can be made to work as a puller --- but the eldergoth is a must-get pet, because it's a puller and a range tank. there's things you can do with an eldergoth i'm not sure you can do at all without some ranged pet; i don't know if there's much you can only do with a kowlin. soloing the 39 dungeon while you're getting it as your BH target? easy with an eldergoth; tricky at best with any (non-herc) melee tank.

the sawfly's a great air pet. the cloud skatefish is just about as good, and looks a little better, and comes with two bashes as standard. it's personal taste which one you get.

i see some venos with the seamonster guardian. i think of it as a mag tank lite; more versatile than a "purer" mag tank pet because it can DD pretty well too. i still prefer a pure DD pet, and i like my dark wanderer in that role --- it needs to have a bash added, though. mine got much more useful once i did that.

the snow hare (little white bunny) is said to be pretty well useless. cute, but useless.

guildmate of mine has a flying pig, and loves it. i haven't seen enough use for an air pet to spend the coin for one, myself.

Mauntille - Heavens Tear · February 2011

Shield - Raging Tide wrote: »

ok there may not be pure mag bosses but they are a lot of melee bosses with high dmg mag attacks (i was thinking to have the "mag tank" for that 2) and mag mobs. so u think i dont need the frog or any other mag pet cuz pretty much the walker can do the job then? i can wait till my 40s to get the eldergoth in case i need it and just forget about the frog then. another scenario when i was thinking this frog may be useful was in pulling 1 mob in a place full of mag mobs idk xD

You'll still want p.def over m.def since a majority of the attacks will be physical hits. Most magic attacks can be cancelled.

FWIW, I got a Frogling when I was low level thinking it would make a great magic tank. It has pretty much only has 1 niche use and sits in my bank unless I want a cute frog to follow me around.

Shield - Raging Tide wrote: »

i was thinking on this pet just as a puller in some cases the speed. but if the eldergoths can do both i rather that one

There are two things you want to look for in a pulling pet.

First, you want to make sure you can tell when your pet has aggro'd your target enough to make it return to you. 9 times out of 10, this is a single attack. Some people like to use a debuffing pet to lure, but make sure that the pet actually damages the target, otherwise it won't come. A lot of venos like the animation that the Kowlin uses as a signal of when to start stowing. Depending on your graphics/computer settings, this may be more or less of an advantage.

Secondly, your pet needs to survive, and for this, you have two options: your pet not getting hit or your pet being able to tank the hits on it's way to the the target. Kowlins and ranged pets (Eldergoths at early levels and eden cactopods at higher levels), take the first option. Hercs, golems, and bears follow the second.

Shield - Raging Tide wrote: »

which one do you recommend?

The two best free/common air pets are the Petite Sawfly and the Cloud Skatefish. They have the lowest tame level in their class of pets, which gives them the best stats when levelled. The benefits of other flying pets is that you don't have to level them as much, which, if you have many pets, can get out of hand quickly. Either of them work well. The Windwalking Piggy is a nice one as well, but since it's a rare pet, it'll be harder to obtain. It's attack is lower than the other two, but it's a better tank. The slant you want for your pets will be up to you.

Shield - Raging Tide wrote: »

i dont see 2 many venos with that pet why everyone goes for the armored bear or the baby white bear or whatever? any thoughts

The Armored Bear (big one, 80+) and the Shaodu Cub (little one, 20+) are both more of tank pets than DD pets. For straight DD, most people either go for the Varicose Scorpion or the Dark Wanderer. Those two will give you the highest pet DPS. You may not see as many of them in the higher levels because pet levelling gets exponentially harder as you approach end game and many will fall back on just a tank pet as opposed to a tank pet and a dd pet.

That said, my scorpion is close to my level and he gets put to good use, so if you can stick with it long enough, they're certainly worth it.

Shield - Raging Tide · February 2011

guys thanks a lot! i think all what i got. so knowing that having a lot of pets when u lvl is damn hard ill basically stick to 4 pets.

a tank
a flying pet for flying mobs/pk (i wont get the piggy)
something to pull (Eldergoth) and DD
and something to DD bosses to do some extra dmg

QQ the frog looks so cool QQ

thanks again!

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear · February 2011

Shield - Raging Tide wrote: »

guys thanks a lot! i think all what i got. so knowing that having a lot of pets when u lvl is damn hard ill basically stick to 4 pets.

a tank
a flying pet for flying mobs/pk (i wont get the piggy)
something to pull (Eldergoth) and DD
and something to DD bosses to do some extra dmg

QQ the frog looks so cool QQ

thanks again!

Doing all the food quests unlocks 5 slots for ur veno ( so 5 cages for the rest of them).
Frog is a nice pet , i use him when i try TT solo mode , and till i can hatch my bear egg at lvl 80 , it does the job really good.

gelnd · February 2011

The frog is extremely cool looking. ^^ However, in my experience, you can find other pets to do most jobs better. The frog is decently tanky, is decently fast, etc. But not exceptional at any of those. For some players, this works... the froggy can take care of multiple jobs for them. For myself, who likes to specialize, I'd rather use a cub to tank, a wanderer to dd, etc.

@Lenie: You're using a walker at the moment, iirc? I'd say getting the cub is only worth it if you really want it for some reason... looks, the walker is too big/slow for ya, whatever. I've used a friend's walker, and I've used my own cub, and I'd be fine with either. The only reason I went with the cub on my veno is cuz she had the walker first, and I wanted to do something a little different. b:chuckle You asked me a while back how the cub was at holding aggro... I've noticed as I've gone up a few levels (69, almost 70 now), I start to steal aggro if I'm firing skills at a decent rate (and this is even being light armor build). To be fair, this is me opening with ironwood and spamming venemous/lucky after. :P If I give the cub some time to build aggro (like I would on a boss, where I'm more concerned with healing him than attacking fast) he does fine; I'm just impatient at times.

I also don't know how you'd be planning to skill the cub, if you got him... I have bash/roar/threaten/tough, I suppose if you had the popular bash/ream combo, it might be a little harder to steal from him.

Shield - Raging Tide · February 2011

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Doing all the food quests unlocks 5 slots for ur veno ( so 5 cages for the rest of them).
Frog is a nice pet , i use him when i try TT solo mode , and till i can hatch my bear egg at lvl 80 , it does the job really good.

but why getting the bear to tank the glacial walker is better? o_O

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear · February 2011

i was thinking about a shaodu cub as a tank because my glacial walker is SLOW. and big and cumbersome, but mostly annoyingly slow. still... if a LA veno can steal from the cub, at not much higher level than i am now, it'd probably not be a good tank for me.

if i open with ironwood then spam lucky/venomous, i can already steal from pretty much any of my pets; i usually have to do ironwood->blazing to slow down my DD'ing so the pet keeps aggro, or throw in a roar at a strategic time. unless i WANT to steal aggro, of course, which is usually when i'm confident the mob'll die before it reaches me.

if i did get a cub (i may get a bear, should i ever reach 80) i'd skill it out for tanking; possibly later get some legendary skills, to make an ersatz-herc. possibly i should just look into those for the walker, once i can afford them, and put up with its slowness...

Vitenka - Dreamweaver · February 2011

The bear comes with pounce (useful for stopping an add, or a lost aggro, from killing someone), which in theory you can put on a walker, but in practice isn't going to happen.
The bear is also faster (useful for luring, and for catching aggro), smaller (which is a concern for some people) and it also takes magic hits better (important for things which mix magic and melee, useful for the exploding things in FB39, for example.)

HimeJunsei - Sanctuary · February 2011

Im leveling a Varicose Scorpion right now, and he is by far the best DPS pet in my bag. I got a herc, crystal magmite, petite sawfly, eldergoth marksman, varicose scorpion and another 40ish lvl scorpion I lvled to 77, the inevitable celestial plumpfish, a reminiscent kowlin and a tabby.

The varicose Scorpion is now at 43 and I can't wait to get to 77 to compare it to the other scorp, just for kicks!

I also leveled a nivastock shieldbearer, which in my opinion is close to useless, from a bunch of reasons. I've seen people using it as one of their main pets, maybe they just do it for fun.

Next pet I'm raising is tabby, since I'm curious on what it can do at high levels, I've never seen one high lvl. Would be super fun to tank some gigantic boss with it!

I did had money to get the nix at one point, but chose not to, since imho the only valid reason of getting it when ure 95+ is PK, and I'm just not a PKer material, I find no fun in it in PWI. FPS shooters... that's another story:P

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear · February 2011

Shield - Raging Tide wrote: »

but why getting the bear to tank the glacial walker is better? o_O

for me it isn't. yes GW has Amazing phys defences , and yes his attack is really high , but it is hell slow (won't reach mob before i take more than 2 hits) , has bad mag def and it's is really bulky. I grew tired of my GW and trashed him at lvl 43 , till then i went with Wanderer and frog as tanks and i did just fine.

Bear has balanced defence values , really nice HP , good speed ( lures bosses as well) , awesome looks , and a nice skillset ( Bash lvl 1 , needs lvling , Pounce lvl 2 , which is max and generally and nice skill , threaten lvl 2 , and tough lvl 5 )

to me playing as a veno doesn't meanhaving the BEST pet , it means having a pet i like and be useful to a squad as a whole DD and debuffer.

Edyn - Dreamweaver · February 2011

Dunno if I missed a part of what you all said, but I didnt like GW because of its size.. Gets very annoying when your in a dungeon with a squad f.e. and you cant click the damn mobs cause pet is in the way. I used my GW till i was 96 and got my herc, still cary my Edgar with me but sadly he's abit large..
Also have both bears and passed lvl 90 the armoured bear seems to catch up faster then the little one according to its defence.
In my opinion just play with the pet you like best and whatever suits you best and your way of playing. Also think about your veno-future, you plan on ever getting a herc?
For high damage i surely encourage you for getting a scorp. I still use it alot to grind with, its attack is amazing.

Shield - Raging Tide · February 2011

Edyn - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Dunno if I missed a part of what you all said, but I didnt like GW because of its size.. Gets very annoying when your in a dungeon with a squad f.e. and you cant click the damn mobs cause pet is in the way. I used my GW till i was 96 and got my herc, still cary my Edgar with me but sadly he's abit large..
Also have both bears and passed lvl 90 the armoured bear seems to catch up faster then the little one according to its defence.
In my opinion just play with the pet you like best and whatever suits you best and your way of playing. Also think about your veno-future, you plan on ever getting a herc?
For high damage i surely encourage you for getting a scorp. I still use it alot to grind with, its attack is amazing.

getting a herc? i dont think so im a pwi veteran, RQ a few months a go an im playing the veno just for fun dont wanna spend more than a few bucks on this game and i dont really have time to grind/farm instances.

i got the dark wanderer for dps thought it would be good to have it for bosses and stuff now idk if stop lvling it and get the scorpion since everyone is saying it have sick dmg QQ

HimeJunsei - Sanctuary · March 2011

Ok...

My Varicose scorpion got to lvl 86 and is definitely a mean machine. It already outdamages my lvl 98 herc and at par lvl, any other pet from my petbag that it passed by.

At lvl 86 I can grind at a slow but steady pace at lvl 98 Heaven mobs or at a slightly faster pace at lvl 94. The lvl 87 snakes just South of 1kStreams are breakfast for him now.

Can't wait to make him 98+... if the PWI staff fixed the darn bugs (can't even get into the game).

Nuku_Nuku - Raging Tide · March 2011

LOL i use a glacial walker, petite sawfly, abysmal turtle
my fun pet is a ocean chanterb:chuckle
i got used to my walker's big butt in my way.b:laugh

Bluelita - Archosaur · March 2011

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i was thinking about a shaodu cub as a tank because my glacial walker is SLOW. and big and cumbersome, but mostly annoyingly slow. still... if a LA veno can steal from the cub, at not much higher level than i am now, it'd probably not be a good tank for me.

if i open with ironwood then spam lucky/venomous, i can already steal from pretty much any of my pets; i usually have to do ironwood->blazing to slow down my DD'ing so the pet keeps aggro, or throw in a roar at a strategic time. unless i WANT to steal aggro, of course, which is usually when i'm confident the mob'll die before it reaches me.

if i did get a cub (i may get a bear, should i ever reach 80) i'd skill it out for tanking; possibly later get some legendary skills, to make an ersatz-herc. possibly i should just look into those for the walker, once i can afford them, and put up with its slowness...

Lenie, I got a cub as factionmate's gift and I level it since some days (btw. absolutely hate doing it b:sad). We started our journey when he was lvl 45 and I - 57; I haven't levelled till very recently and here are my observations.
Since he's 50, I don't steal aggro from him until the last spells of the battle - so I get one hit from the mob in general. If I launch a strong spell combined with his pierce - well, I steal it at this moment, but generally then with his next bit he re-takes aggro.
At level 53, he was killing some mobs of 10 levels more (with my one healing during the fight and well with my spells too). My GW of the same level than cub have done no better - needed also one heal, time of killing was similar (or at least I haven't noticed a big difference.. ).
For me, cub has two big advantages : first, it is faster than GW. If he is one mob and the 2nd mob attacks you, it is fast enough generally to go to bite the 2nd mob before you get really in troubles. It has saved me more than once, while the big rock of GW moves so slow you have time to die 2 times before he re-catches the mob from you. All goes also faster as he runs much faster than GW.
Second, you see better mobs and all around you, because cub is small and really handy. I know some people deal fantastically with big rock and seeing all around, but not me.
To resume : I think you can go for cub without many fears. You can always start with less damage skill - in this time he makes flesh ream or bash, if it's levelled it bites hard - and then he will already have aggro "well installed".

FYI : tested on cub without any modification or uprgading of skills, I am a vit-mag veno (well 95% , have more dex than usual).

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear · March 2011

like everyone else, you start out with a scorp or a wolf- i went with wolves for quite a while.

for air pet, i tried the foxwings, but they turned out to be glass cannons for me. maybe if you put better moves on, and leveled them, it might work out better. but i got a windwalker pig somewhere along the way, and she is GOOD! she can tank anything my Crystaline can on land, and an air pet can be used on both land and air mobs, so dont sell them short as good for only air mobs.

for land, i like variety- the right tool for the right job, and, if one gets killed by a boss, i have another pet to pull out and take its place. so i have three different golems-Glacial (dont like him much- dont like his moves, and need replacing and leveled), Crystaline-main tank, and Shrico Valorian (sp?)-not as strong as the Crystaline, but decent. for pullers, i have my beloved kowlin, fastest thing in the game, and definitly most beautiful!- and baby dodo bear, who is tough, but who i havent gotten around to leveling, so hes still in his 50s, and is with me kind of as just a cuite. same with the frog-was a gift from my son as a joke, and is named gorF b:laugh. i do also have the armoured bear, who is a work in progress-i hear they are tough, and definitly not as hard to see/work around as the various golems. just dont take one out if you are doing the FF- you'll freak the bejeebers out of your squadmates! b:chuckle

for water, go with turtles till you hit 80, and can get a plumpfish. i find its great to have a plumpie to pull out when doing the turtle boss in Wraithgate, and not lost him yet. and they are good for helping friends doing those crazy fish outside the Archo harbor...you beat on one bunch, and the plumpie eats others, while your friend is free to do the quest.

this leaves me with one slot for a land mount, and atm, thats the big tiger.

hope this helps some. b:thanks

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