2 New Ppl Making Barb Dont Make Them Pwi Hate Barbs

Doggy_Stylez - Lost City wrote: »

Any fast attacking char (sins and psychs) who is too stupid to control their damage on bosses, I just let them steal agro and laugh when their dead.

In my opinion an intelligent damage dealer knows how not to pull agro from barb. This has always been true, even before TB expansion and FKING JONES BLESSINGS (capitalized for a reason... way to further break te game mechanics for some cheap advertising PWi).

Admittedly, with the tideborn expansion it has become obvious that it the original agro mechanics built into this game for Barbs (ie. spam flesh ream (insert sarcastic laugh here)) were not adjusted to account for such high attacks per second and/or damage per second and were further Fked up by the introduction of Jones Blessing, (to this day I can't figure why they did not make it +15 Att. Level and +15 Def Level, I mean cmon... they (Dev's) designed the game, they have no excuse for such stupidity)

Blah... I forgot why I started this rant... so to hell with it... I'm going to research sage vs demon!

Do I hear a "+30 Aggro Levels FTW" charm coming out with pwi's next promo rant coming on?

Freizer - Lost City wrote: »

Edit: just to clarify i'm speaking about the bms that make a big issue about being better than the tank, but being ill equipped to do so and then annoying the squad with multiple deaths.

These folks are Fuzzy's favourite type of bm. They provide endless amounts of entertainment for the panda when me get to point and laugh at em. b:laugh

FuzzyWuzz wrote: »

These folks are Fuzzy's favourite type of bm. They provide endless amounts of entertainment for the panda when me get to point and laugh at em. b:laugh

Drop a sadness card on them just to add salt to the wound is always a good idea.

ZoanoAce - Lost City wrote: »

Your opinion matters greatly as I agree with you. As you pointed out, you feel safer with Barbs tanking (or at least watchful of any mishaps) and don't have to struggle so much to prevent their supposed charms from ticking constantly. The current society of PWI is trying as hard as possible to reject barbs ~>AT ENDGAME<~( which people don't emphasize enough as they think the game starts at lvl 90+ alone, then finds out its the opposite).

It's funny cause on my server, at least, every BH 39+ and 8x frost squads call for barbs everytime, then 90+ become mainly pullers and 100+ become wanted by few NV as debuffing DDs, but basically all BHs need a barb still, here. The ones who say barbs are dead are the ones who are afraid to admit they needed barbs for >60% of the game and deny the fact that barbs helped them to achieve their "endgame OP-ness."

As for me, I'm Sage, pure vit (225) and reasonably good HP for my current gear, I dont feel a great need to tank anything anymore unless I rlly have to, but I'm happy as an emergency tank and debuffer (need Sage Roar and Devour so bad b:surrender), since I'm still accomplishing what I want. I take all this non-neededness as a repayment for helping so many of these 5aps nubslices get to 100.b:chuckle

Fast is great but slower and steady often wins the race.b:victory

I actually get really frustrated in high APS squads. Often they don't wait for me and just run ahead into mobs. They "don't need me", so they don't care if I'm there, and I miss out on the exp (in FF, at least). It got worse as I got higher in level. It's like the higher the level, the more they forget that clerics are one of the slowest walking classes in the game. Sure, I holy path, but even with the best genies, you can only holy path so many times in a row. lol. It's not an infinite speed up.

Not only that, but you don't get time to enjoy the dungeon. I don't play this game to do everything in ten seconds to reach end game asap. I play it to have fun, and I have fun by enjoying the dungeon. Getting things done quickly is cool when you're in a hurry, but I get more out of a one hour run than a half hour run (for example, not actual times obviously) in terms of actually having fun. With a barb, it's more likely that I'm going to enjoy what I'm doing rather than spending 75% of the dungeon run trying to keep up with everyone so I don't lose out on everything.

Of course, you will get barbs that don't care either, and they just run ahead into mobs expecting you to be there with heals. But in my experience, it happens more with APS.

I don't have an issue with APS characters though. I don't think APS "ruined the game". I guess in essense I'm just saying that Barb tanks are the best tanks, and APS should stick to DD. lol

And yes, it's the same on my server. I'm constantly seeing people looking for barbs. I had a squad once, and it was supposed to be an FF squad, but that didn't happen because we couldn't find a barb. We tried to think of other things to do, but they all essentially boiled down to "we can't, we can't find a barb", so we just gave up and went our separate ways. lol! Lots and lots of people have this issue over on HT, and from the sounds of it, other servers as well.

What is everyone talking about?

All the way from level 40->101 when you first having to tank Qingzi...

I have always been wanted for parties for Bh, FC, FB ..

Its a matter of knowing your role, and adapting to situation.

Who cares who's the main tank as long it gets the job done.
Even if a Aps BM can tank, i have BM doing more HF to avoid being the main tank when he is next to me.

Remember.. if they have time to out damage you.. its because They arent doing what their class is suppose to do to make the boss kill go faster and safer.