PWI: fix dmg and aps
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Sounds to me like you're just mad because you aren't useful.
P.S, no one cares about 102 other than sins, I instantly click go to town if I die, don't even bother trying to get a res.
Only thing useful about an aps barb would be soloing TT i guess. People still dont want you in Nirvana when they could have a faster sin/archer. Who are you kidding rofl. Idk why you bother posting here defending aps. Whens the last time pwi balanced ANYTHING. If you really enjoy spamming the same skill over and over again hey, have it it bud. Throwing a 2nd or 3rd in there might be to much for you. Stay classy barbs~ b:mischievous0 -
Are you high?IDecision - Raging Tide wrote: »Only thing useful about an aps barb would be soloing TT i guess. People still dont want you in Nirvana when they could have a faster sin/archer. Who are you kidding rofl. Idk why you bother posting here defending aps. Whens the last time pwi balanced ANYTHING. If you really enjoy spamming the same skill over and over again hey, have it it bud. Throwing a 2nd or 3rd in there might be to much for you. Stay classy barbs~ b:mischievous
Ok then, it's not like I get dozens of people asking me to nirvana every day.
Oh wait, I do. 5 aps clawbarb does just as much damage as a BM, and can possibly do more if you know what you're doing.
And did you really say an archer has more DPS than a claw barb? You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
I do enjoy spamming the same skill, just like you must enjoy being useless in nirvana and TT.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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hugs not drugsRawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Are you high?
Ok then, it's not like I get dozens of people asking me to nirvana every day.
Oh wait, I do. 5 aps clawbarb does just as much damage as a BM, and can possibly do more if you know what you're doing.
And did you really say an archer has more DPS than a claw barb? You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
I do enjoy spamming the same skill, just like you must enjoy being useless in nirvana and TT.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Move along..move along0 -
And did you really say an archer has more DPS than a claw barb? You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
Rank 8 chestb:bye
This goes right next to your answer about how useless sins are in FCb:laugh0 -
Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Are you high?
Ok then, it's not like I get dozens of people asking me to nirvana every day.
Oh wait, I do. 5 aps clawbarb does just as much damage as a BM, and can possibly do more if you know what you're doing.
And did you really say an archer has more DPS than a claw barb? You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
I do enjoy spamming the same skill, just like you must enjoy being useless in nirvana and TT.
lolwut? same damage as a bm?
i would take a 2aps BM over a 5aps clawbarb any day of the week
2 sins (lol good luck trying to get higher dps b:surrender)
2 bm's (2x hf in 1 sin spark = no need for aps bm's
show me them axes baby b:victory)
veno (amp+myriad/ironwood+purge....... penetrate armor you say? .... b:bye)
cleric (put on arcane and carry a wand, maybe we'll take you some time)
no room for a barb that pretends to be a bm in this squadDoqui 101 r9 veno
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Thank god this level 83 is here to tell me about how endgame instances should be done.Tuli - Raging Tide wrote: »lolwut? same damage as a bm?
i would take a 2aps BM over a 5aps clawbarb any day of the week
2 sins (lol good luck trying to get higher dps b:surrender)
2 bm's (2x hf in 1 sin spark = no need for aps bm's show me them axes baby b:victory)
veno (amp+myriad/ironwood+purge....... penetrate armor you say? .... b:bye)
cleric (put on arcane and carry a wand, maybe we'll take you some time)
no room for a barb that pretends to be a bm in this squad[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Wow, are you yulk in disguise? I find it hard to believe someone can be this stupid._Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »And did you really say an archer has more DPS than a claw barb? You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
Rank 8 chestb:bye
This goes right next to your answer about how useless sins are in FCb:laugh
Rank 8 chest means nothing, 5 aps is the cap, archer can have that extra -interval but if both are 5.0 then it does NOTHING.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Rank 8 chest means nothing, 5 aps is the cap, archer can have that extra -interval but if both are 5.0 then it does NOTHING.
Just wait for them to release Weapon Insignia: Warsoul, you're going to see 5aps archers with Abysmal Tides b:scorn[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Thank god this level 83 is here to tell me about how endgame instances should be done.
i could post on 1 of my other alts and it still wouldn't make a difference,
fact is, if you don't want to be a tank play a dd class.
even if you can dress up like a bm, in the end a barb will still fail as dd compaired to true dd classes b:byeDoqui 101 r9 veno
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Wow, are you yulk in disguise? I find it hard to believe someone can be this stupid.
Rank 8 chest means nothing, 5 aps is the cap, archer can have that extra -interval but if both are 5.0 then it does NOTHING.
yulk never has gotten a character past lvl 4x+Do you hate me? Good, that makes for an adequate conversation starter.
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You're a moron.Tuli - Raging Tide wrote: »i could post on 1 of my other alts and it still wouldn't make a difference,
fact is, if you don't want to be a tank play a dd class.
even if you can dress up like a bm, in the end a barb will still fail as dd compaired to true dd classes b:bye
If you're going to make such a stupid claim you should have something to back it up other than your **** opinion.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »You're a moron.
If you're going to make such a stupid claim you should have something to back it up other than your **** opinion.
and as with all trolls, you try to derail the issue by throwing around childish insults b:byeDoqui 101 r9 veno
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What issue? There ceased to be an issue the moment you threw around idiotic ideas with absolutely zero evidence to back them up.Tuli - Raging Tide wrote: »and as with all trolls, you try to derail the issue by throwing around childish insults b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Tuli - Raging Tide wrote: »lolwut? same damage as a bm?
i would take a 2aps BM over a 5aps clawbarb any day of the week
2 sins (lol good luck trying to get higher dps b:surrender)
2 bm's (2x hf in 1 sin spark = no need for aps bm's show me them axes baby b:victory)
veno (amp+myriad/ironwood+purge....... penetrate armor you say? .... b:bye)
cleric (put on arcane and carry a wand, maybe we'll take you some time)
no room for a barb that pretends to be a bm in this squad
There might be some truth with Barbs and BM dmg with claws. I tend to steal aggro with my claws from a BM with equal refines.
As for farming squads, claw Barbs are usually most welcomed, maybe not in your squad, but the buffs tend to make ppl loads happy and get the job done fast.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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People are free to use whatever builds they want to be the most effective. The devs just need to look at the issue of 0 challenges in this game, look at what they do for their jobs, and tweak or nerf game content to keep the constantly changing game challenging.
Example:
My other game just added higher levels of difficulty to every mob. They now crit harder, and have the ability to avoid much of your defence for a second.
Bosses can "tame" you, so if you don't get cured you can wipe your own group.
Bosses can knockback, making melee less effective.
There are bosses that can buff themselves to reflect all melee or magic damage back at you, so if you don't pay attention you kill yourself.
How long does a lunar/nirvana/warsong take these days? I left out rb because it's just time consuming not hard. The hardest of the hardest content in my game can take upto 10 days to finish, simply because it's hard and challenging...
All things devs over here could think of if they weren't monkeys at a computer or had blind PWI/CN players ... The last good thing they thought of was the special skills used by the new FF bosses, how long ago was that?
Anyway carry on with the handbags b:chuckle0 -
Another one of these threads about failps? -_-" Let the fails do their 5.0, as I am done with them. Why not make a 5.0 mystic in the future while they are at it.
I chained 4 SPARKS in a row yesterday with only 1.53 APS on pure VIT veno b:chuckle in TT. BTW... I found out pure VIT venoes can tank in TTs their LVL, without a pet, just need proper gears though... Kinda win what I have done today XD... Bramble hood is so OP.I, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.
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Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »Another one of these threads about failps? -_-" Let the fails do their 5.0, as I am done with them. Why not make a 5.0 mystic in the future while they are at it.
I chained 4 SPARKS in a row yesterday with only 1.53 APS on pure VIT veno b:chuckle in TT. BTW... I found out pure VIT venoes can tank in TTs their LVL, without a pet, just need proper gears though... Kinda win what I have done today XD... Bramble hood is so OP.
Oh yea, the 200% damage phy reflect that doesn't work in PvP is OP and as for duels just stop attacking or stealth till it wears off.
Yep, what a OP skill indeed.... yet there's so many loop-holes around it....
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SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »Oh yea, the 200% damage phy reflect that doesn't work in PvP is OP and as for duels just stop attacking or stealth till it wears off.
Yep, what a OP skill indeed.... yet there's so many loop-holes around it....
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Tuli - Raging Tide wrote: »i could post on 1 of my other alts and it still wouldn't make a difference,
fact is, if you don't want to be a tank play a dd class.
even if you can dress up like a bm, in the end a barb will still fail as dd compaired to true dd classes b:bye
we demon 5.00 barbs can get our crit up to 60-70% at will, and spamm it.
50% wood damage added
40% weapon attack demon titans
and oh! my sexy HP buff
nope dont need to be a BM
so wut did ya say?0 -
Skippy - Dreamweaver wrote: »we demon 5.00 barbs can get our crit up to 60-70% at will, and spamm it.
50% wood damage added
40% weapon attack demon titans
and oh! my sexy HP buff
nope dont need to be a BM
so wut did ya say?
BMs are usually wanted for HFs and of coruse, they have to be 5.0 aps.
Personally, my favorite combo is sparking in Tiger and use Devour then switch to use Demon Onslaught for the crit buff. Swap the claws on then hit Frenzy and Tangling Mire and usually someone uses Extreme Poison.
I gain 55% crit, +50 atk lvl, sparked at 5.0 aps while the target I'm attacking has a total of -105% phy def from my Tangling Mire from a genie with 100 STR and Devour's def debuff, plus any Amps the target may have, from HF, EP, etc.
That's why 5.0 aps is OP. b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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mhm barb HF sure is nice,
but well, i still get into squads so i dont really care wut that sin thinks
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Maybe because mage and psys are PvP classes and excel at that and AREN'T MEANT FOR PvE?
But hey, you're right, a mage can one shot an entire group of people, from a distance. And a psy can only sit around and deal huge aoe damage while being invincible due to sage bubble of life + expel. They should also have the highest damage in PvE as well.
lol i don't think that was the point... the point i think is that a sin can sit invisible and 2 spark then blow through 20k hp in pvp like it wasn't even there.... for most people... unless you can stun break or see it comiong you may as well not even try to fight back
cause even if you can... the sin can just force stealth again... wait for skills to cooldown and redo all over again.
also the psys buffs that seal you and resist phys damage make them insanely hard to kill at high lvl and they deal so mauch damage it borders on ther ridiculous.
the people that spent years on the original classes may have a bit of a point... esp when barbs have to reroll 5.0 to hold agro or be included in anything, venos are almost not needed and eps, only half the time.
so unless the server becomes all r9 ranged or 5.0 melee alot of people don't bother with the older classes anymore... new expansion will just make this worse0 -
Skippy - Dreamweaver wrote: »we demon 5.00 barbs can get our crit up to 60-70% at will, and spamm it.
50% wood damage added
40% weapon attack demon titans
and oh! my sexy HP buff
nope dont need to be a BM
so wut did ya say?
IDK what to laugh at, getting 60-70% crit for 6 seconds, while you demon spark is 3 seconds, making only 15 hits that have 60-70% chance of crit on from low DMG... While 5.0 BM can just use dragon's bane WHICH lasts 30 seconds then spark to purify DMG loss.
50% wood damage only works on earth elemental and/or increased def. At least you are not talking about archers with fire ARROW XD. Again, BMs can just pop in wood element apoth for the same thing.
Sage have 10% more P.ATK, but BMs can use their skills at least to use their AOEs while you can't. They can even use sutra when needed. Not only that, fist mastery while the barb doesn't b:chuckle
HP buff? BMs have sutra and stun locks and ofc aura of the golden bell + marrows.
Grats on making a fail barb reduced to buff monkeys while BM still own you in both PVP and PVE. b:shutupI, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.
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Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »IDK what to laugh at, getting 60-70% crit for 6 seconds, while you demon spark is 3 seconds, making only 15 hits that have 60-70% chance of crit on from low DMG... While 5.0 BM can just use dragon's bane WHICH lasts 30 seconds then spark to purify DMG loss.
50% wood damage only works on earth elemental and/or increased def. At least you are not talking about archers with fire ARROW XD. Again, BMs can just pop in wood element apoth for the same thing.
Sage have 10% more P.ATK, but BMs can use their skills at least to use their AOEs while you can't. They can even use sutra when needed. Not only that, fist mastery while the barb doesn't b:chuckle
HP buff? BMs have sutra and stun locks and ofc aura of the golden bell + marrows.
Grats on making a fail barb reduced to buff monkeys while BM still own you in both PVP and PVE. b:shutup
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Everyone knows that sins are OP, but it's not only really APS that makes them OP, it's stealth, teleports, only taking 1 damage from BIDS, and the fact that half their skills also give them chi.Trelmanor - Lost City wrote: »lol i don't think that was the point... the point i think is that a sin can sit invisible and 2 spark then blow through 20k hp in pvp like it wasn't even there.... for most people... unless you can stun break or see it comiong you may as well not even try to fight back
cause even if you can... the sin can just force stealth again... wait for skills to cooldown and redo all over again.
also the psys buffs that seal you and resist phys damage make them insanely hard to kill at high lvl and they deal so mauch damage it borders on ther ridiculous.
the people that spent years on the original classes may have a bit of a point... esp when barbs have to reroll 5.0 to hold agro or be included in anything, venos are almost not needed and eps, only half the time.
so unless the server becomes all r9 ranged or 5.0 melee alot of people don't bother with the older classes anymore... new expansion will just make this worse[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Everyone knows that sins are OP, but it's not only really APS that makes them OP, it's stealth, teleports, only taking 1 damage from BIDS, and the fact that half their skills also give them chi.
+ their ability to not get 1shot if someone does actually have a chance to fight back.0 -
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Kinjeto - Raging Tide wrote: »About the only thing WE CAN hope for is that some of the newer classes (Seeker and Mystic) will put all this APS bollocks in its place, just IMHO.
More parties based around some Sage experience and not just asking your Sage Assasin if he can Sage Blood Paint you like a wall.
As for the ****** in the earlier part of the thread that was just spamming QQ I'd suggest you re-evalute what Archer / Elf Archer was originally intended for (being a distanced-based physical class and not an up close and personal based class. Leave THAT to the BMs and the Assassins, thanks.
Its just a shame that spammers are brainless dickheads who can't say anything constructive about gameplay mechanics. Not to say you need a college degree / university degree in gameplay design but QQQ spammers should have their posts rated low.
P.S: I'll see all you people at 102. See you there Rawrgh.
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IDecision - Raging Tide wrote: »Only thing useful about an aps barb would be soloing TT i guess. People still dont want you in Nirvana when they could have a faster sin/archer. Who are you kidding rofl. Idk why you bother posting here defending aps. Whens the last time pwi balanced ANYTHING. If you really enjoy spamming the same skill over and over again hey, have it it bud. Throwing a 2nd or 3rd in there might be to much for you. Stay classy barbs~ b:mischievous
Umm... replying late sorry, but i disagree with you, i prefer a aps barb over a sin anyday, a sin thats not sage that is, cause most cases i get sins in nirvy who cant survive in nirvy without me like spaming ih on them constantly, some get hit an just under half there health goes bye bye, then i gotta be realy fast to keep the rest of the squad alive, cause the bosses ive noticed tend to random aggro with the squishies, also aps barb equals hp buff that is also why people love them, i dont know where you coming from to be honnest...lalalala Pokemon
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »Are you high?
Ok then, it's not like I get dozens of people asking me to nirvana every day.
Oh wait, I do. 5 aps clawbarb does just as much damage as a BM, and can possibly do more if you know what you're doing.
And did you really say an archer has more DPS than a claw barb? You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
I do enjoy spamming the same skill, just like you must enjoy being useless in nirvana and TT.
I would outdamage you. Enough said.0
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