Nirvana/Manufacturing

If you equip/bind equipment and can't account stash things over to your veno, then yes, you do need to up your crafting levels on your sin.

But, if you make the 99 legs/daggers and take them straight to nirvana without equipping them, then it's not needed. The 99 daggers suck anyway.

FWIW, I'm in the same boat and decided that levelling from 99 to 100 would be faster than relearning crafting on my sin.

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you equip/bind equipment and can't account stash things over to your veno, then yes, you do need to up your crafting levels on your sin.

Meaning they're on different accounts...not that you can't stash bound equipment.

YouriNishi - Raging Tide wrote: »

And ya you can account stash bound items as long as they're on the same account through account stash, No clue why Mauntille is saying different

Sorry for the ambiguity. My veno and sin are on different accounts; just speaking from my experience.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hi nishi b:dirty (I see you on wc quite often)

I never noticed the lunar before! They definitely look a lot better than Nirvana, but the obvious question I'm going to ask is: is it easier to go the lunar route than nirvana? What is the difference in how each is obtained?

The two linked builds use two different sets of Nirvana, one made from Lunar, the other from TT.

The Lunar is a lot more expensive, as you need these to make them. Just the chip fees from the materials comes to almost 30 millions.

The good parts would be: you can use the lunar starting 95 and it doesn't bind.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hi nishi b:dirty (I see you on wc quite often)

I never noticed the lunar before! They definitely look a lot better than Nirvana, but the obvious question I'm going to ask is: is it easier to go the lunar route than nirvana? What is the difference in how each is obtained?

I definitely have a lot of time before I decide to do anything since I got to get all of my other gear first, along with leveling up there.

Thanks again!b:thanks


Also to clear things up for me:

Can you, or can you not account stash bound items? I don't have any on me to test this, and don't really want to bind something to do test it. I mean like after you equip it and it says "Bound". Those items.

Run Lunar ONLY with friends and people you trust. split the entry fee 6 ways that's 500k each. DO NOT go into random squads that do random drops one person can walk away with a 8mil coin mat and you nothing. Why I suggest non random squad and random drops is you can sell the tinders and easily make your 500k fee back and continue to lunar. If you friends can't afford the fee off them a charm or something in return for their time, allowing you to keep the drops. During 2x you can easily get the mats you need for both the pants and helm in 2 to 3 runs. Run Lunar during during 2x, hopefully we get one next month b:thanks

As far as cost comparison goes, with the current cost of mats on RT for 99 gold and green mats on RT the pants alone set you at around 27 to 32mil coin and that's IF you can find the green mats. while lunar if much easier to farm then 3-3 b:surrender and the tinder's can be fairly cheap... its the bloody 7 Earth Essence's you need that are a pita to get

How the chain works for lunar to nirvana is as followed:

Lunar green
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/15970

Material Cost

Fragment Crystal:

the fragments to make the crystal are easily farmable in solo mode with a friend or two

Transparent Crystal:

Same as above

Aqua Essence 200 to 400k each

Flame Essence same as above

Earth Essence 500 to 750k each

Life Essence 200 to 300k each


Lunar Gold
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/15971

Material Cost

Unknown Tinder 3mil in AH on avg.

Sacred Mother's Aura 2.5 mil in catshops around forges

Chromatic Tinder 7 to 8 mil in AH


1st cast Lunar Nirvana
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/25919

2nd cast Lunar Nirvana
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/25691

and to answer your question about bound items being account stashable the answer is yes since your sin and Veno are on the same.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Oh wow thank you everyone!

Depending on my understanding after running both instances at least a few times and understanding how drops are, I'll decide on which path to take

More goals makes the game more fun :P

tl;dr: As a sin you're going to want sockets. If you leave it up to chance, although the chance is low, it's definitely possible to end up with low sockets and you'll end up regretting it quite a bit.

If you go for TT, it's very easy to 4 socket the gear, then refine xfer it to nirvana.

If you're doing lunar, you could of course, if you had the money, farm lunar several times and make gear repeatedly until you get a 4 socket piece of gear, then refine xfer it.

Although I don't think it's worth it considering all the lunar/TT gold mats you'll go through. It is arguably better if you make a piece of lunar gear, then add a fourth socket to it with 8k socket stones, then refine xfer it.

If you're bend on going for lunar, anyway.