Removal of FCC (yay)

I don't see any vote for it >.>

Also don't forget to mention:

1.) There aren't enough quests to give enough exp to get from 104 to 105. (Dailies excluded since they are daily)

If each quest gives roughly 75k each on average at 104, there will need to be over 20,000 quests in order to level.

Loads of players have already frosted their chars to 103-105. They also frosted several alts to 100+. I mean i have frosted about 4 chars to 100+ by now lol.

Removing this option now would be very unfair to newer players. They would never be able to catch up in levels.

If PWI decides to remove Frost they better have another instance ready to replace it.

Badburton - Lost City wrote: »

I really hope they do remove it. It would make the game Challenging once again.

(we already get so much freaking Exp and not enough $)

1) Actaully spend time leveling up your character

2) Quest spots where it's empty and barren would slightly fill up more

3) For any of you people wondering where the barbarians are for BH, you might want to check FCC (Frost Covered City)

I totally vote for the removal of it.

b:victory

At least for PVE servers please, because it is a PVE server meaning they should do PVE.

I am for removing the pampering dailies such as BH and crazy stone. Then again, why should I care about level (or endgame), it isn't important anyway. I don't want to become a sadsack sitting and waiting for level cap to raise b:laugh . No rush.

Frost never should have been made into this exp dungeon to begin with.

Adeacia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Frost never should have been made into this exp dungeon to begin with.

^thizZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Did anyone else notice the irony of the person advocating removal of FCC isn't even level 100 yet so there can be more challenge(d people)? b:shocked

Aside from the different wings, your Guild Base also has an area dedicated to raising monsters! You'll be able to get special quests to kill these beasts for tons of EXP and Spirit!

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

I vote to NOT remove it

1) There's already to many lvl100
2) I dont want to spend 24h 7 days on 7 during 1 year to reach the lvl 100 again
3) lol, they wont do that

what he said xD hell no im already slow with lvling (lazy) without fc my lazy days are done x.x
and some of us have a real life they dun have that much time to lvl a char by doing a quest -once ina while- then they be like 100 ina year thats about the case what happend for me xD i lvled with quests and dailies till 85 then start fcc >> still took me a full year to get from 1 to 100

Sunked - Lost City wrote: »

Aside from the different wings, your Guild Base also has an area dedicated to raising monsters! You'll be able to get special quests to kill these beasts for tons of EXP and Spirit!

You can't hyper the quest rewards though.. Unless the mobs are level 150 and are all over the place like OVS, it would still be way less than FCC.

Badburton - Lost City wrote: »

I really hope they do remove it. It would make the game Challenging once again.

(we already get so much freaking Exp and not enough $)

1) Actaully spend time leveling up your character

2) Quest spots where it's empty and barren would slightly fill up more

3) For any of you people wondering where the barbarians are for BH, you might want to check FCC (Frost Covered City)

I totally vote for the removal of it.

b:victory

Edit: They won't remove the instance itself, but from what i've heard (and yes there are many rumors) is with the new expansion comes back the "Old" FCC Where you get the Materials (Just like TT) in order to make the Frost Covered armor

U NUTS? u want spend ur whole life getin to 100 tats ur prob, dnt make it our prob too.

Badburton - Lost City wrote: »

I really hope they do remove it. It would make the game Challenging once again.

(we already get so much freaking Exp and not enough $)

1) Actaully spend time leveling up your character

2) Quest spots where it's empty and barren would slightly fill up more

3) For any of you people wondering where the barbarians are for BH, you might want to check FCC (Frost Covered City)

I totally vote for the removal of it.

b:victory

Edit: They won't remove the instance itself, but from what i've heard (and yes there are many rumors) is with the new expansion comes back the "Old" FCC Where you get the Materials (Just like TT) in order to make the Frost Covered armor

Why don't you just not do fc then...and if its not from a gm or dev why believe it.

I hate FCC. It's full of idiocy and nubs who really don't know how to play their characters. They blame everyone but themselves for their shortcomings.

Then I jump on a character that's lower level and do a BH... And find the same thing in low level instances, a tank wearing vendor garbage who won't listen, and can't hold aggro. Clerics who won't heal. I understand people are learning... But making it easy to get to level 100 without learning skills is just stupid. All of my characters have "oopsies" on them, skills I leveled that I shouldn't have, and you know what, I know that because I actually use them, and learned from my mistakes.

These idiots in FCC are the opposite. They see a skill fail to do what they wanted, so they spam it, thinking it will work or something. Or barbs who leveled all of their human skills trying to tank with no tank skills. Or even worse, tank in human form ("But it's better that way!" "I've got better human skills!" "You don't know what you're talking about!" "Shut up n00b!" "I know what I'm doing!" - Some of the replies I've seen to people telling the tank to use tiger form...)

I'm all for limiting BH's to just one boss per day, and nerfing the exp from it. Make that exp actually precious, a commodity, instead of something just handed out (um, like rep?), and maybe people will learn something instead of putting fail builds together and going through it anyway because the rest of the group wants the huge exp reward.

Then you wouldn't have to fix FCC, because by then, people would HAVE to know their characters and how to play.

And as a side note... I always see people mention 'watch my aggro' and go o.O "what's that mean?" I'm so used to instinctively letting the tank build aggro long enough that I can't pull it from them accidentally that I don't even think about it anymore. Or my poor fail LA veno that had so low damage output, I coudln't pull aggro if I tried. Which is why I'm going to restat to AA... And have to relearn that. XD

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I hate FCC. It's full of idiocy and nubs who really don't know how to play their characters. They blame everyone but themselves for their shortcomings.

They fail even more with APS TBH, 99+ is so a priority, its a shame

Then I jump on a character that's lower level and do a BH... And find the same thing in low level instances, a tank wearing vendor garbage who won't listen, and can't hold aggro. Clerics who won't heal. I understand people are learning... But making it easy to get to level 100 without learning skills is just stupid. All of my characters have "oopsies" on them, skills I leveled that I shouldn't have, and you know what, I know that because I actually use them, and learned from my mistakes.

Facepalm at people not knowing how to do a BH, thats easier than oracles

These idiots in FCC are the opposite. They see a skill fail to do what they wanted, so they spam it, thinking it will work or something. Or barbs who leveled all of their human skills trying to tank with no tank skills. Or even worse, tank in human form ("But it's better that way!" "I've got better human skills!" "You don't know what you're talking about!" "Shut up n00b!" "I know what I'm doing!" - Some of the replies I've seen to people telling the tank to use tiger form...)

No thats pro XD!! lol HAVE YOU HEARD 5APS BARBS CAN SOLO FF? They are like so pro, ask rawrgh (JK, he sucks like the rest of BM-wannabe barbs), blame the "I do better dmg in human form so I aggro better" mind set

I'm all for limiting BH's to just one boss per day, and nerfing the exp from it. Make that exp actually precious, a commodity, instead of something just handed out (um, like rep?), and maybe people will learn something instead of putting fail builds together and going through it anyway because the rest of the group wants the huge exp reward.

I want LVL limit and have to be done at same LVL not -10 levels below, now that will make people learn how to play, starting at level 40-49 (FB39, not 29) well it will lessen that problem

Then you wouldn't have to fix FCC, because by then, people would HAVE to know their characters and how to play.

BH have developed the problem, I rather spend "24/7 getting to 100" than 2 seconds, I take my time LVLing and more likely farming / grinding and I do not go online more than 6 hrs a day -_-"

And as a side note... I always see people mention 'watch my aggro' and go o.O "what's that mean?" I'm so used to instinctively letting the tank build aggro long enough that I can't pull it from them accidentally that I don't even think about it anymore. Or my poor fail LA veno that had so low damage output, I coudln't pull aggro if I tried. Which is why I'm going to restat to AA... And have to relearn that. XD

AA is arcane robe .... There is no AA and that sucks bum if you not pure VIT with huge p.def additional with protection necklaces. I have known some AA venoes at LVL100 with 1k p.def and getting hit for 8k DMG.

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

AA is arcane robe .... There is no AA and that sucks bum if you not pure VIT with huge p.def additional with protection necklaces. I have known some AA venoes at LVL100 with 1k p.def and getting hit for 8k DMG.

someone wanna translate this for me?

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Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That's why I ponder if they really have a firm grasp of what "a lot of exp" means. Sin gets 9.25m an FC run, even 4 man squads of 100+ players can get 5ish-6ish mil a run so they better not be like, "omgz looks what we gave you it gives you 1m aren't we awesome at creating stuffz?!?!?" ....

ummm your complaining that they are putting an exp thing in that you dont know how long it takes? and how repeatable it is and on top of that you just proved that fc's are too fast of exp.

Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

someone wanna translate this for me?

Edit:

ummm your complaining that they are putting an exp thing in that you dont know how long it takes? and how repeatable it is and on top of that you just proved that fc's are too fast of exp.

I'm far from complaining....I simply said I wonder if they actually get how much experience normal 100s can really get (who are most likely to hit the exp in these guild bases first). On top of that going into FC cost me 0, getting a guild base...well as reported costs a lot on top of whatever it costs to also get that wing of the base. 9.25m in 30 minutes (yes I know that's not everyone but still). I doubt devs over in china will understand the experience amounts we get here (as I heard they removed FC exp instance from chinese version).