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Warsoul > Hitman Legend > Hook and Thorn > Rest

Though, that's only in terms of damage. For example, I ditched my Hook and Thorn for Ghost Cry Thorn because of the Faith proc. Similarly, TT90 might be better than Hook and Thorn due to the Pierce proc.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Warsoul > Hitman Legend > Hook and Thorn > Rest

Though, that's only in terms of damage. For example, I ditched my Hook and Thorn for Ghost Cry Thorn because of the Faith proc. Similarly, TT90 might be better than Hook and Thorn due to the Pierce proc.

This pretty much sais it all, just wanted to add lunar daggers (lvl95). It's lvl95, but thehe blood defect is just as nice as faith on ghost cry and got more damage. You can forge it into nirvana (if you want something different from the r8 and TTnirvana crowd). Not saying they are the best, but defenitely worth considering.

Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »

TT99 Gold!

Except that you have to work on your Blacksmith skill if you ever want Nirvana.
Personally, I'm sticking with my Hook and Thorn til 100, then swapping to Ocean Supreme until Nirvana.

Rainmasta - Lost City wrote: »

i just ran through numbers real quick, and it looks like hh90 backbiter should have more dps than hook and thorn, even if you have 90 rank top, 90 gold bracers and lunar cape. does the chi gained from that .05 int really make that much of a difference? even when demon sparked the hh90 should still have more dps i think....does pwcalc calculate Patk correctly? i could get more accurate measurements if i used actual patk instead of just the weapon values...

EDIT: just went to pwcalc, and the numbers there say exactly the opposite of what the weapon values alone would have.(IE olbaze is right) why is that?

It's because of how interval functions: The more you have, the better the effect of the next -0.05.

With TT90 Gold bracers, Lunar Cape and the Rank 6 armor, you're looking at a base attack speed of 1.67 for any daggers. However, Hook and Thorn will get 1.82. This means that from the start, Hook and Thorn has ~9% more DPS than any dagger that has comparable stats.

And the only places where you can make up for that lost damage is your DPH and crit%. And that's not easily done.

However, if you compare Hook and Thorn +5 to Fiercy Scale +5, you'll notice that Fiery Scale gets that done: it has ~4% more DPS than Hook and Thorn. This is because the difference in DPH is getting noticeably larger due to Fiery Scale being 2 grades higher. Heck, in those calcs I used level 99 gear, which vastly favors Hook and Thorn due to the reasons mentioned before.

In fact, if you go looking, you'll find that every TT99 except the gold has more DPS than Hook and Thorn. As for why everyone isn't using the green TT99s instead of Hook and Thorn, it comes down to a simple answer: green TT99s only lead to TT100, which is like a super-expensive Rank 8 weapon. And it's only for a single level, after which Rank 8 dagger takes the throne. So rather than turn their Hook and Thorn into Fiery Scale for one level, people would rather use the weapons and sell them for a few millions on 100, because honestly Hook and Thorn has more value than the TT99s.

Teny - Heavens Tear wrote: »

tl;dr: If you're already beginning to compound interval, then Hook and Thorn is fine until you get your nirvana daggers.

If you're more of a DPH person, then just get whatever gives the most dex/attack/crit.

Actually not true.

Rank 8 dagger is far, far above Hook and Thorn when you get it. And believe me, you'll be getting Rank 8 way before you even think of Nirvana. That is, for people who didn't get Nirvana pre-rep sale anyway.

Also, all green TT99s have a higher DPS than Hook and Thorn at +5 with similar shards.

And finally, unless you're going for 5 aps, Rank 8 dagger is a fine endgame choice.