Pure archer
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...You're statting base str to 104 and then not using claws?
Explanation please.
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Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »...You're statting base str to 104 and then not using claws?
Explanation please.
I don't think he means base strength, but strength overall, to 104, which is required for TT99.0 -
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cool story bro. you felt the need to tell everyone this why???? b:surrenderMarshal of the Lvl 3 Faction SubZero on DW server, pm me in game!!!b:victory0
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why?
... idk same reason emo people usually cut themselves.
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Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »why?
... idk same reason emo people usually cut themselves.
o.Oa attention?
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I was building my archer as pure too with a cap of 104 str, but then I realized I wanted to wear the warsoul helm, requiring 117 str.
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Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »why?
... idk same reason emo people usually cut themselves.
o.Oa attention?
You really want to know why Emo's cut em selves
No?
TO BAD! im-a-tell you any way
Ok think of it as power right, or as a bomb maybe, they're having negative thoughts and cutting em selves is like cutting the red wire, it for a short period of time stops them from thinking about w/e the hell was going through their head, Its a natural Fight or fright mechanism that every person has in their head, thats just playing up. It actualy a mental thing, they cant control it, so no, Emo's don't cut em selves for attention.0 -
My money's on the OP wanting to say "hey clawchers, look, I'm NOT LIKE YOU!" And while the presentation of that is a bit juvenile in this case, I can't say I disagree with the sentiment. :P
As for my two cents on Str - I have 125 base Str and 140 raw Str. Originally I felt that the bit of extra Str for a decent helmet was worth it, and I still think that. But also, it turned out that I could use Gorenox (strictly for MQ bosses and certain 1v1 mob situations) if I got at least 10 Str in equip bonuses from that point. And it was in my gear plan to use the TT90 gold bracers and also Sky Demon's Pearl (which are where the +15 difference comes from).
Of course, Gorenox only needs 135 Str, so I could've just stopped at 120 base, but I'd hit 125 before I made that decision. On the plus side, I'm going after the 90 gold helm right now which requires 138 Str, so those points (save for two of them) will still be put to use in the end.
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I really don't see the need to restat or stat extra str just to wear fists/claws or better helms. There's plenty of gear out there with str adds to help allow you to wear gear with high str requirements. I'm base 104 and I have 135 with all my gear on O.o
I suppose an argument to that would be wanting dex adds on your equips instead. But that's just six in one hand, half a dozen in another.On indefinite hiatus
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ahhh... so much str. If i take off my 6 str cape... all my armor goes dark... lol1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Any way you slice it, a point to Str is a point away from Dex. All you can really do is get gear with the most raw stat points possible (in either Str or Dex) and plan accordingly for it. If you care about being pure Dex, that is.Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »I really don't see the need to restat or stat extra str just to wear fists/claws or better helms. There's plenty of gear out there with str adds to help allow you to wear gear with high str requirements. I'm base 104 and I have 135 with all my gear on O.o
I suppose an argument to that would be wanting dex adds on your equips instead. But that's just six in one hand, half a dozen in another.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I have 102 base STR, 124 with addons (8 from tt99 belt, 3 from helm, 7 from lunar cape) and 139 with a STR+15 tome which i use to switch to my Gorenox Vanities.
I will however be restating, once I get my warsoul helm, to a point where in I get an exact 135 (just enough to use fists) when using the tome or maybe 137, for the case wherein i land a lucky streak and get a love: up and down tome which would give 2 STR pts less compared to the sunny pass tome i currently have.
That restat would probably put me at 98 base str.0 -
Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »Any way you slice it, a point to Str is a point away from Dex. All you can really do is get gear with the most raw stat points possible (in either Str or Dex) and plan accordingly for it. If you care about being pure Dex, that is.
This is not true.
Proof by counter-example:
It is possible to restat a few extra Str to wear a higher piece of armor which has a greater return value of Dexterity.
For example, if you have 135 Str to wear ☆Gorenox Vanity, then you could theoretically put 5 more points to get 140 Str, so that you could wear ☆☆☆Helmet of Immortal Warrior, which could have 2 random bonuses of of +5~6 Dexterity each.0 -
True; that would have been a better way to put the point I was trying to make. :PElenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »This is not true.
Proof by counter-example:
It is possible to restat a few extra Str to wear a higher piece of armor which has a greater return value of Dexterity.
For example, if you have 135 Str to wear ☆Gorenox Vanity, then you could theoretically put 5 more points to get 140 Str, so that you could wear ☆☆☆Helmet of Immortal Warrior, which could have 2 random bonuses of of +5~6 Dexterity each.
On the other hand, a ☆☆☆Rocking Thunder Helmet has the same chance at random bonuses of +4-5, and requires 15 fewer Str... in essence trading 2 points in helm bonuses for 15 points they would not have to put in Str to use it. An archer attempting to favor dex would see this as a more sensible move, would they not?
Of course, a pure dex archer wouldn't try to go above 104 Str anyway. I realize that you were basing your example on my build... I however was speaking generally to archers in pursuit of full dex, which is obviously not my build. :P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Why not go ultra pure and have only min STR for bow and rest dex heh.
I have min str for my claws and don't consider that as having any damage lost since the claws farmed me a +12 g15 bow. I do way more damage now than I ever did before.
Really I still consider this a pure build since it is min str for gear, 3 mag, 3 vit, rest dex.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »Why not go ultra pure and have only min STR for bow and rest dex heh.
I have min str for my claws and don't consider that as having any damage lost since the claws farmed me a +12 g15 bow. I do way more damage now than I ever did before.
Really I still consider this a pure build since it is min str for gear, 3 mag, 3 vit, rest dex.
Neo-pure dex vs. Classic Pure Dex.
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I'd prefer "pure clawcher build" versus "archer pure dex build," myself. :PElenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »Neo-pure dex vs. Classic Pure Dex.
I like making up new terms.
Not as flashy in the naming, I know, but they reflect what they're for more accurately.
In fairness, I'm not sure what the hell my build could be named. Maybe the "half-hybrid with helm str and oh hey look there's 15 mag too but I'm too lazy to by a reset note" build? :P
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »Why not go ultra pure and have only min STR for bow and rest dex heh.
I have min str for my claws and don't consider that as having any damage lost since the claws farmed me a +12 g15 bow. I do way more damage now than I ever did before.
Really I still consider this a pure build since it is min str for gear, 3 mag, 3 vit, rest dex.
I don't know. I been sporting the old school pure dex build and have no problem scoring in the top five during the tiger event when every other archer in the top 10-15 are aps capable archers. Its all about how you choose to play the game.
Strength above 105 (r9 armor) or 104 (nirvana armor) is only really useful if you need your archer for faming. Otherwise if you have a catshop... you could potentially make more money then you'll ever make farming nirvana. Personally I find parking a catshop while I sleep and do other stuff much more enjoyable then spend hours farming the same instance over and over again.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Heh I sport the neo-pure build and don't have much problem scoring the top score in tiger event.
Farming and merchanting will always make more money than just merchanting. In this game more money translates into better gear so a higher str archer will have better gear than pure build due better farming potential (assuming you don't have a farming alt). The question then turns into whether the better gear you get from higher str out weighs the damage lost from lower dex.
As for farming, Nirvana isn't really all that great. I think the average on my server is around 450k for a run. During one of the last arch attacks I soloed a couple of the bosses and sold the badges of bravery / mold drops for like 50m. I used to make like 25m a week soloing rings in COA before that market dried up (though the badges still sell for 2m). During nein I used to make like 150m a week with fairly casual play. I've tanked harpy ala cheezedude and its drops still sell for like 25m. That compares very favorably with the 5~10m a day successful merchants make.
Outside of farming potential you get other benefits such as being able to solo FCC to get a higher level (giving you more points to put into dex), being able to drop the cube's Open Seseme mob in 15 seconds, having BH100s completed much faster, etc.
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Or roll a sin on the same account and go back to pure...lolElena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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You know, you can just have 2 sets of ornaments.
Like, cube neck and warsong belt for when you're using your bow and some 3 stars with str adds for when you're farming with claws. Idk. Works for me.On indefinite hiatus0 -
When I meant Pure archer i meant like only using bows x-bows and slingies thats what my archer does b:kiss0
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »Heh I sport the neo-pure build and don't have much problem scoring the top score in tiger event.
Farming and merchanting will always make more money than just merchanting. In this game more money translates into better gear so a higher str archer will have better gear than pure build due better farming potential (assuming you don't have a farming alt). The question then turns into whether the better gear you get from higher str out weighs the damage lost from lower dex.
As for farming, Nirvana isn't really all that great. I think the average on my server is around 450k for a run. During one of the last arch attacks I soloed a couple of the bosses and sold the badges of bravery / mold drops for like 50m. I used to make like 25m a week soloing rings in COA before that market dried up (though the badges still sell for 2m). During nein I used to make like 150m a week with fairly casual play. I've tanked harpy ala cheezedude and its drops still sell for like 25m. That compares very favorably with the 5~10m a day successful merchants make.
Outside of farming potential you get other benefits such as being able to solo FCC to get a higher level (giving you more points to put into dex), being able to drop the cube's Open Seseme mob in 15 seconds, having BH100s completed much faster, etc.
No regrets here on my 'lost' dex.
Apparently I am misunderstanding something. I thought Farming referred to digging up mats like Iron Ore and such. From what I am reading there, Farming is knocking gear and other drops off of mobs.
Given that, why are claws/fists more effective in farming then bows? Sorry if its a nub question, just confused0 -
WorryEasykil - Dreamweaver wrote: »Apparently I am misunderstanding something. I thought Farming referred to digging up mats like Iron Ore and such. From what I am reading there, Farming is knocking gear and other drops off of mobs.
Given that, why are claws/fists more effective in farming then bows? Sorry if its a nub question, just confused
When you are farming bosses, the time you need to kill them can be rather significant.
Claws/fists with enough reduced interval gear and/or skills can give you 5 attacks per second, which in turn gives you 25 chi per second. This means you can triple spark every 12 seconds unless the boss does something to slow you down. Since triple spark lasts for 15 seconds, this means that you get 5 triplesparked attacks with your fists or claws every seconds.
And the damage bonus from triple spark almost totally makes up for the lack of any meaningful strength bonus on melee weapons. Each claw attack winds up being not too much lower than a bow attack -- and since they are so much faster your boss battles in turn go a lot faster.
Meanwhile, triple spark will also heal you for 20% of your health, purifies you, and lets you shrug off an attack that happens during the three seconds you need to set it up. Some fists and claws can also heal you -- the chance of this is relatively low, but when you attack so often it still happens fairly reliably.
The downsides, of course, include that you take longer to get into claw range than to get into bow range. But bosses take so long to kill that that is irrelvant. And, you cannot use most of your skills with fists and claws, but most bosses are already immune to most of your skills. And you usually take increased damage with fists and claws, but that does not matter on a good collection of bosses.
So, anyways, they wind up making your runs faster, and if the profit is high enough you can live with those downsides, in a lot of cases.0 -
sigh..i love my claws and im a bm at heart since my main is a bm...SOOOOO why kite when u can stand toe to toe with something lol0
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ImReallyWhyt - Heavens Tear wrote: »why kite when u can stand toe to toe with something lol
Because, you're light armor.
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I agree i am a bow archer and have str to get my gear. I feel we should be ranged atk and thats how i play. At the very most the dev's should of gave use the use of swords for nobs that we can not keep at range.0
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I agree i am a bow archer and have str to get my gear. I feel we should be ranged atk and thats how i play. At the very most the dev's should of gave use the use of swords for nobs that we can not keep at range.
But devs gave us option of using claws instead of swords, so we should not play with claws?
I feel like elves follow a bird pattern, and birds have wings, feathers and claws. We have have wings and feathers and can have claws. I think you should leave swords for humans.
Edit: but its true that claws do not really start working well for us until we get level 99 or even level 100 gear.0 -
Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »I don't think he means base strength, but strength overall, to 104, which is required for TT99.
tt99 requires 103 str. ijs_Hysteria_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »cool story bro. you felt the need to tell everyone this why???? b:surrender
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the answer to life, the universe and everything else: tome, str rings.
the sunny pass + 2 bands from heaven's jail let youuse gorenox vanity with approx no str if you're wearing tt99
7-8 str from tt99 belt, 6-7 from cape, 15 from tome means you need, at most, 87 str to wear a warsoul helm, wich you'd liek to wear anyway. warsoul gives you 5-6 str, wich puts you at 122-123str. add in the rings if you want to use gorenox vanity. with rank 8, cape and tt99 this puts you at 3.33 base.
True to our asian nature, there is already a post concerning the dmg of proc'd gorenox vanity to deicide dmg. It's almost the same.
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