Sage/Demon RB/BB

SoulPeace - Sanctuary · February 2011

Shouldn't we Clerics have Sage/Demon version of our RB/BBs?

Why all classes have various Sage/Demon lv.59 Skills while we only have Tempest?

My suggestions

Normal Regeneration Aura(BB)
Damage Reduction:50%
Base Magic Effect:20%
Extra Heal:300
Radious:15 meters
Mp Cost:500 Mp - 5 Secs

Sage Regeneration Aura(BB)
Damage Reduction:60%
Base Magic Effect:25%
Extra Heal:650
Radious:25 meters
Mp Cost:750 Mp - 5 Secs
Special:Adds a Purify effect plus Recover Mp by 150 every 5 secs

Demon Regeneration Aura(BB)
Damage Reduction:50%
Base Magic Effect:25%
Extra Heal:650
Radious:25 meters
Mp Cost:750 Mp - 5 Secs
Special:Cannot be interrupted by Seals/Stuns/Special Skills/etc

Normal Heaven's Wraith(RB)
Attack Rate and Channeling Speed:20%
Weapon Damage Bonus:100%
Radious:20 meters
Mp Cost:500 Mp - 5 Secs

Sage Heaven's Wraith(RB)
Attack Rate and Channeling Speed:20%
Weapon Damage Bonus:200%
Radious:25 meters
Mp Cost:750 Mp - 5 Secs
Special:Gives a 50% extra P.Res/M.Res

Demon Heaven's Wraith(RB)
Attack Rate Bonus:25%
Channeling Speed Bonus:35%
Weapon Damage Bonus:200%
Radious:25 meters
Mp Cost:750 Mp - 5 Secs
Special:Gives all squad members and extra 15% Critical rate

Xoria - Sanctuary · February 2011

Honestly, RB is hardly ever used, and when it is, it's done with 2 clerics or when a veno tanks with a pet with multiple squad members requesting RB.

BB is already a pretty busted skill. 50% damage reduction (physical and magical), and interval healing. As you get to the higher level instances, bosses seal you, rendering BB the less preferred skill. Or, there are auras to help compensate for how much stronger bosses become in Rebirth.

Generally, both skills are only interrupted by the same type of attack (IE: Drummer/Soul Banisher/ Dimentora/ several RB bosses' physical AoE attacks), seals and sleep (but not freezes unless channeling the spells).

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · February 2011

RB and BB seem more like level 79 skills anyways.

They're only 1 level. Could you see them revamping this to fit the normal format where we have to have a level 1 bb that only does 30% pdef reduction, and we get 2% more each level up to level 10, as well as it starting with only healing 100 hp + 20% our base magic attack? Level 10 would be what its at now, and level 11 would have some dinky little bonus?

Honestly, I think they had 4 options for lvl 79 skills and said "lets make these two 59 skill so clerics don't have more level 79 skill than other classes and won't need more apo pages and ink."

Firefeng - Dreamweaver · February 2011

SoulPeace - Sanctuary wrote: »

Demon Regeneration Aura(BB)
Damage Reduction:50%
Base Magic Effect:25%
Extra Heal:650
Radious:25 meters
Mp Cost:750 Mp - 5 Secs
Special:Cannot be interrupted by Seals/Stuns/Special Skills/etc

Yes, because that's what I want to see when I suicide my Sin out of stealth in the midst of an opposing force in TW to drop the Cleric's BB with a Stun.

No. Just no.

SoulPeace - Sanctuary · February 2011

Firefeng - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes, because that's what I want to see when I suicide my Sin out of stealth in the midst of an opposing force in TW to drop the Cleric's BB with a Stun.

No. Just no.

wow a Sin complaining on an imaginary Cleric skill

How about all your crazy skills that are considered overpowered :O?
No way in the world a Cleric would a have an OP skill,no way

let's give sins revive too instead b:chuckle

(Was thinking about his usefulness in PvE rather than PVP/TW)

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · February 2011

b:dirty Where's the poll for should Sins get revive? Sign me up for that! Self revive too, and you come back with full hp, mp, and chi already triple sparked! Also, when you revive it rains +50 attack level blessings.

Ghosh - Heavens Tear · February 2011

Make us abel to attack while in BB or RB insted:P

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · February 2011

SoulPeace - Sanctuary wrote: »

wow a Sin complaining on an imaginary Cleric skill

How about all your crazy skills that are considered overpowered :O?
No way in the world a Cleric would a have an OP skill,no way let's give sins revive too instead b:chuckle

(Was thinking about his usefulness in PvE rather than PVP/TW)

Should Clerics have Sage/Demon BB/RB?

1) It should be rephrased to "Should Clerics spend more money on Sage/Demon BB/RB?"

2) I will promise you that 90% clerics will go demon.
BB God mode in TW ftw
BB God mode in instances ftw
BB God mode on WB ftw
who cares about sage puri and mp benefits if u can get a BB that will never ever break as long as your HP and mp are alive. This is so OP its actually funny lol. The skill would sky rocket higher than ress or IH cause its so broke.

Altho i see your main point about having some differences between the 2, I think you need to think a bit more before suggesting. If this came out id change all TW recruitments to demon cleric demon BB a MUST for applying.

same with Heaven's Wraith(RB)
sage RB gets a skill that an npc already sells, defense charms -50% dmg.
demon RB gets about a 30M gear benefit from that skill

,.....
lemme guess your demon right.

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary · February 2011

if this would actually come out the demon bb , would be pure sage discrimination D;

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · February 2011

My suggestions

its more balanced and doesnt make every cleric want to change to demon due to the OPness and is considerate of both sage and demon. This one makes u think which one is better instead of mindlessly hoping to demon BB/RB

Normal Regeneration Aura(BB)
Damage Reduction:50%
Base Magic Effect:20%
Extra Heal:300
Radious:15 meters
Mp Cost:500 Mp - 5 Secs

Sage Regeneration Aura(BB)
Damage Reduction:60%
Base Magic Effect:25%
Extra Heal:850
Radious:30 meters
Mp Cost:750 Mp - 5 Secs
Special: Increase defense level +5

Demon Regeneration Aura(BB)
Damage Reduction:50%
Base Magic Effect:30%
Extra Heal:550
Radious:25 meters
Mp Cost:650 Mp - 10 Secs
Special: Gives all squad members -0.05 interval

Normal Heaven's Wraith(RB)
Attack Rate Bonus: 20%
Channeling Speed:20%
Weapon Damage Bonus:100%
Radious:20 meters
Mp Cost:500 Mp - 5 Secs

Sage Heaven's Wraith(RB)
Attack Rate Bonus:20%
Channeling Speed:35%
Weapon Damage Bonus:200%
Radious:20 meters
Mp Cost:650 Mp - 10 Secs
Special:Gives all squad members an extra Defense/Attack level +2

Demon Heaven's Wraith(RB)
Attack Rate Bonus:35%
Channeling Speed Bonus:20%
Weapon Damage Bonus:220%
Radious:25 meters
Mp Cost:750 Mp - 5 Secs
Special:Gives all squad members an extra 3% Critical rate

Decus - Dreamweaver · February 2011

Who gives a ****? They are fine as they are >.>

Jellytoast - Sanctuary · February 2011

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Who gives a ****? They are fine as they are >.>

Then what's the point of forums if you can't pretend and discuss things? b:shutup

Eoria - Harshlands · February 2011

The reason why there is no sage/demon version is because the skill itself only has one level. Look at other level 1 only skills on other classes like Invoke on barbs, Bramble Hood on venos, or Essential Sutra on wizzies. None of them have sage/demon versions. Therefore, it would not make sense to give one class sage/demon versions of a level 1 skill when others do not.

SoulPeace - Sanctuary · February 2011

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Should Clerics have Sage/Demon BB/RB?

1) It should be rephrased to "Should Clerics spend more money on Sage/Demon BB/RB?"

2) I will promise you that 90% clerics will go demon.
BB God mode in TW ftw
BB God mode in instances ftw
BB God mode on WB ftw
who cares about sage puri and mp benefits if u can get a BB that will never ever break as long as your HP and mp are alive. This is so OP its actually funny lol. The skill would sky rocket higher than ress or IH cause its so broke.

Altho i see your main point about having some differences between the 2, I think you need to think a bit more before suggesting. If this came out id change all TW recruitments to demon cleric demon BB a MUST for applying.

same with Heaven's Wraith(RB)
sage RB gets a skill that an npc already sells, defense charms -50% dmg.
demon RB gets about a 30M gear benefit from that skill

,.....
lemme guess your demon right.

No im sage :O
And why I should think more before suggesting?,its not like anything I'll say will change a thing anyway this is just a game's forum and this is just a random thread just take it easy b:bye

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · February 2011

SoulPeace - Sanctuary wrote: »

No im sage :O
And why I should think more before suggesting?,its not like anything I'll say will change a thing anyway this is just a game's forum and this is just a random thread just take it easy b:bye

usually those are called troll posts/troll threads, they have absurd ideas and are completely random and give no incentive to spur a talk on and the OP just doenst give a damn.

SoulPeace - Sanctuary · February 2011

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

usually those are called troll posts/troll threads, they have absurd ideas and are completely random and give no incentive to spur a talk on and the OP just doenst give a damn.

So basically if I have a slightly half-decent idea I can't just write it down because Im realistic and I think that these so called suggestions will be never been taken in consideration by those so called china-devs?

I may not care,someone else may,who knowns?

Also there's something that I don't understand,how a Skill like this could be considered OP in TW since *BOTH* factions can easily or not have Clerics with Demon BB? You have Demon BB i have demon BB I don't see the unbalance there and GOD Mode lol?,really?,if 50% damage reduction is god mode then how come so many ppls die every day when they pull agro off a boss like the one in BH Metal or those 3-x?(GBA boss for example can easily kill anything if not rebuffed quickly 50% damage reduction isn't that godly).Also squads with a single Cleric which gets debuffed could find more vital a rebuff rather than cleric keeping up the BB(GBA boss again or even weaker bosses like BH69 pole or any other strong debuffer).

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · February 2011

SoulPeace - Sanctuary wrote: »

So basically if I have a slightly half-decent idea I can't just write it down because Im realistic and I think that these so called suggestions will be never been taken in consideration by those so called china-devs?

I may not care,someone else may,who knowns?

no one said your not allowed to postb:bye take it easy

Also there's something that I don't understand,how a Skill like this could be considered OP in TW since *BOTH* factions can easily or not have Clerics with Demon BB? You have Demon BB i have demon BB I don't see the unbalance there and GOD Mode lol?,really?,if 50% damage reduction is god mode then how come so many ppls die every day when they pull agro off a boss like the one in BH Metal or those 3-x?(GBA boss for example can easily kill anything if not rebuffed quickly 50% damage reduction isn't that godly).Also squads with a single Cleric which gets debuffed could find more vital a rebuff rather than cleric keeping up the BB(GBA boss again or even weaker bosses like BH69 pole or any other strong debuffer).

no one said a 50% reduction is god mode or it would already be so, unless u forgot how much the current BB cuts dmg.
The topic reply was about the LOL bonus skills. I was refering to the fantasy demon BB that never broke. Im honestly not sure if its an honest question or being sarcastic (the red text) because i can find multiple instances where an unbreakable BB is OP

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · February 2011

I said No as it these skills are situational.I don't Mind Deceps idea though.

ugysekell · February 2011

If Demon BB was like this:

Damage Reduction:60%
Base Magic Effect:25%
Extra Heal:650
Radious:25 meters
Mp Cost:750 Mp - 5 Secs
Special:Adds a Purify effect plus Recover Mp by 150 every 5 secs

...THEN YES PLEASE.

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear · February 2011

I like this idea, although your demon BB makes me sad because that would mean that almost everyone would prefer a demon cleric over a sage.

Mrvate - Heavens Tear · February 2011

I voted yes, not to the OP's idea's for the demon and sage version. But I do think it'd be cool to have a demon/sage version of BB.

SoulPeace - Sanctuary · February 2011

Mrvate - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I voted yes, not to the OP's idea's for the demon and sage version. But I do think it'd be cool to have a demon/sage version of BB.

Copy/Paste my opening post and customize as you would like ^^

Personally I don't think Demon BB is so much superior,Purify effect may be more effective in certain situations where for example there's no Psy Sage Bubble and all squad need a quick aoe purify(See GBA boss with 2 Clerics),or other bosses that don't normally interrupt BB but have nasty debuffs,what's the point of having an unstoppable BB if you have to drop it for purify the tank?

Sage/Demon RB/BB

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