Mid-Level Archer Help

phatlewt1
phatlewt1 Posts: 1
edited February 2011 in Archer
Okay, I'm a relatively new pwi player and just got my archer past level 60. What I'm struggling with is how to gear him past level 60. I got the Rank IV gear and the level 60 TT crossbow. Now I'm wondering what to shoot for at level 70 and beyond. Do I focus on getting TT armor, or am I better off refining my Assassin's armor (the level 60 rep armor) and keeping that? Are there certain weapons and armor pieces I should be looking to acquire?

Also, I am unclear about fist archers. What is the advantage to me of using fists? I have no fist skills and if I'm out doing solo questing, they seem useless, since I'd be taking damage and I have no skills like a 'sins bloodsuck to alleviate that. Are fists just for really high level Nirvana runs and such?

Thanks for any help you can give an up and coming archer!
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  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    oh hey look theres guides stickied in archer forum, let me ignore those cause im more important then anyone else, dont mind that one says useful archer links and right off the bat are guides such as "Budget Equipment for 70+ " lets ignore all those and ask all the pros to repeat the same thing for the 500th time, but directly to ME! cause i am soooo important.
  • flamingahole
    flamingahole Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Get a wind and the clouds at 69. Keep the rank chest. b:bye
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  • khade
    khade Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Dont worry about gear, only the weapon is important at low lvls, archers are really squishy until you hit 9x where you can obtain gear with considerable amount of HP.

    Fist+refine+DemonSpark+AtackSpeedgear+debuffs+blessing+dragons=WTF boss died in 3 sec
  • Xxdistance - Heavens Tear
    Xxdistance - Heavens Tear Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    edited for more info~~

    While I agree with Mosz, I have to sympathize with the OP. He might be new to the forums or he didn't understand the stickied guides or could use further explanation.

    - If you have the Rank IV chest, which has -.05 interval, keep it. I'm still have it on my lv 90 archer. Refine and shard it to the best you can until you can upgrade to R8. If you are not looking for -interval, which is crazy, check the differences between 7x mold armours and TT70 armours. (I can't think of lv 70 LA mold/TT atm) Whichever has higher defenses and better stats, go for that.
    -The reason why a lot of archers are going fists is because of the dps, which is really nothing you need to worry about until you're 80+, when you're in FC (where bows are still better than fists in an 8x FC squad imo) 90+ FC squads I'm on the fence about, because I can spark every 15~20 seconds, give or take, with fists, but my dmg is cut since I still have enough dex to use my Crimson Horn. I personally use fists on the mobs before the second boss because that's a case when dps really matters. I wouldn't recommend going fist build unless you have -interval gear though. You just look like a nooby archer with fists.
    -At 80, I farmed my Crimson Horn and I refined it to +5 and 2 socketed it to use until 95, when lunar bow could be used. Although I quit my archer, so that doesn't matter too much anymore. CH gives you -.05 interval too. I have that along with my R4 chest and TT90 Gold bracers, giving me a -.2 interval. It does help but I wouldn't tell the difference unless I got the Lunar Robe and Love Up and Down. But every piece of -interval gear helps us archers. With non interval fists and my demoun spark, I have an aps of 3.00, which is fun for me because with a bow, I only have a 1.83 aps. (I believe; haven't played archer in a long time.)
    Along with the interval, CH comes with a proc that takes away 5% MP to do drastically increase your dmg range. With full buffs and demoun spark and the proc, I believe my dmg range is 7k to 20k. Don't quote me though, I know it's somewhere in that range. I have critted 50k before on an event boss with demoun spark and the proc, although a lot of debuffs were on the boss, so that crit was rare.
    Another good option would be Broadland, while it's proc is horrible (we can't really stand to have our phys defense cut) I believe it outdamages the CH from sheer base dmg. I haven't tested it and I'm not going to say I'm right about it since CH has interval though.
    You can also get mold weps, like flamingahole said. It is -interval and it's the fastest weapon we can use. It's very nice with stacked interval.
    -Up until I got my R4 chest, I used a mix of TT/Mold gears. I believe the 7x chest and leggings, TT80 gold bracers and a pair of TT70 boots my friend gave me when he quit up until level 90. I don't know why I held onto those TT70 boots for so long and I don't recommend it.

    Hope it helps.
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  • phatlewt1
    phatlewt1 Posts: 1
    edited January 2011
    Thanks for the helpful info.

    And for the flaming troll, of course I've read the stickies. Things like budget armor are great, but it doesn't happen to be 'best armor'. And I read lots about fist archers, but not a real good explanation for a newbie like me. Stickies were awesome getting me to level 60, but a bit more lacking leading from 60-100.
  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    phatlewt1 wrote: »
    Thanks for the helpful info.

    And for the flaming troll, of course I've read the stickies. Things like budget armor are great, but it doesn't happen to be 'best armor'. And I read lots about fist archers, but not a real good explanation for a newbie like me. Stickies were awesome getting me to level 60, but a bit more lacking leading from 60-100.

    you want best, easy, get a warsoul wep at 80, dont forget all +12 armor GGkthx, its not a flaming troll if its 100% accurate. keep adding to why the guide writers have slowly given up on spreading more info
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    you want best, easy, get a warsoul wep at 80, dont forget all +12 armor GGkthx, its not a flaming troll if its 100% accurate. keep adding to why the guide writers have slowly given up on spreading more info

    Usefulness not found. Ignoring now. Kthnxbai.

    And personally, at level 60, I've got the TT60 xbow and the legendary xbow. The legendary xbow beats it out by a bit in damage, plus the 5-10% or whatever chance to slow is nice. Wind and Clouds is by far a better weapon for 70+, especially if you have rank IV chest piece. Interval is very nice. I'd only go TT60 for the souledge for the TT70 and beyond xbows.

    And for Level 70, I've got a Unicorn, TT70 Xbow, and Wind and Clouds. I'll use whichever I have ammo for.

    For armor, personally, I lean towards legendary gear. But I can share the gear between my 5 active alts, and bound gear isn't an issue due to stash. If I didn't have the coin oomph to get Legendary gear, or if it was rare/unobtainable, I'd either roll TT armor, or good purple gear. If you can pick up some LA Legendary gear, go for it. Should reduce your squish factor some. ;) Keep the Rank Chest piece for a while though.
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Irrespective of the fact that you can afford any armour, I will not recommend TT armours anymore, until like the lvl90s. This is due to the fact that the general population these days level much faster as compared to the older players (who wrote the guides) and hence outgrow their armours much faster.

    The difference in resistances between your rank 4 chest and a TT90 green chest isnt much so continue with that.

    As for your weapons, a faily decent refined Wind and Clouds (level 69 slingshot mold which is absurdly cheap) should last you until 85 or even higher depending on the refine.

    This leaves just the bracers, leggings and boots. You can opt for bracers of bloodmoon (faily expensive if you buy it, time consuming if you farm it 25 silver dragon orders + 25 copper dragon orders) along with legendary boots + leggings. Use a cap with +HP mod and helm with +HP. That should do just fine.

    For archers, best equipment is defined by how much refine is done. If you compare the tt armours and legendary armours of the same level, you will notice that the resistances dont vary by much. The decision is primarily made based on the following factors:-

    Grade - Higher grade -> more hp per refine
    Addons - Preferred Dex, crit, hp, phy atk, max phy atk and interval addons. STR addons in some cases to allow you to equip fists/claws.
    Set Bonuses - Some TT armours give bonus stats based on the number of pieces you acquire. For example, 2 pieces of TT99 armour will give you a bonus -interval of 0.05.

    @Xxdistance
    The broadland out damages an equally refined CH:S by far even without the -interval mod. It even out damages a higher refined TT90 Xbow. This is because its of a higher grade than the tt90 green weapons.

    Its also interesting to note that when it does proc, the attack surpasses that of an equally refined Lunar bow. However the lunar bow's -interval would give it an edge over it in terms of DPS.
  • flamingahole
    flamingahole Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Xxdistance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You can also get mold weps, like flamingahole said. It is -interval and it's the fastest weapon we can use. It's very nice with stacked interval.

    It's downright sexy is what it is. You can find one sharded and refined a bit for under 200k in the auction house and if you're cheap it'll last you well into your 80s. Well, mine did anyway but the extra -0.1 interval from bracers of blood moon might have helped with that.
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  • Xxdistance - Heavens Tear
    Xxdistance - Heavens Tear Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Elviron - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    @Xxdistance
    The broadland out damages an equally refined CH:S by far even without the -interval mod. It even out damages a higher refined TT90 Xbow. This is because its of a higher grade than the tt90 green weapons.

    Its also interesting to note that when it does proc, the attack surpasses that of an equally refined Lunar bow. However the lunar bow's -interval would give it an edge over it in terms of DPS.

    That's what I thought when I was comparing the base dmg of my CH to a BL at the same refines. Like I said, I wasn't sure if the -interval would even it out or not. (Don't have the care to research it really x3) I just liked the CH because it was free, I like bows, and I'm a cheap-o. b:surrender
    Thanks for clearing that up for me~
    And as for procs- I noticed that when my CH proc'd, the dmg I dealt was normally equal too or lesser than my normal attack without a proc. Without proc I hit an avg of 6k, and with it, i've seen it range from 4.5k to 10k. So in no means is the CH proc that great. Plus it eats mah mp D: I just hated the idea of losing physical defense, especially since I was in a pvp guild xD; .
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  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Clerics can purify the PDef debuff. Besides, in PvE you shouldn't be getting hit while you DD a boss. In PvP, yeah, it could be a problem.
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  • Xxdistance - Heavens Tear
    Xxdistance - Heavens Tear Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Every archer steals aggro once in awhile whether we try to or not D|
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  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Very true, but the chances of my managing to pull aggro at the exact moment that the, what, three second long PDef debuff (That only debuffs 1000 or so PDef, which isn't groundbreaking) triggers are so low that I choose to take my chances with a higher damage bow. xP
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
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  • Xxdistance - Heavens Tear
    Xxdistance - Heavens Tear Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Very true, but the chances of my managing to pull aggro at the exact moment that the, what, three second long PDef debuff (That only debuffs 1000 or so PDef, which isn't groundbreaking) triggers are so low that I choose to take my chances with a higher damage bow. xP


    Lol that is true, but when I chose my CH, I wasn't thinking in terms of pve, because the mobs usually only get 2~3 hits on me if they're lucky. Was more pvp & the fact that I didn't have to spend a single coin on CH because it's a TT wep :3
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  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    On the other hand, you're never going to be able to sell it. o.o Avoiding the CH makes me more of a cheapskate, in that respect, I suppose. >_>
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
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  • Xxdistance - Heavens Tear
    Xxdistance - Heavens Tear Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Yeah that is what I hate about the CH b:sad
    But I look at it like: No coins spent on it in the first place and no coins gained from it after the fact = no difference in coinage at the end. And the server I have my archer on hardly every buys anything but packs, so even if I could sell it, I highly doubt anyone would want to buy it.
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    " you gave up the fight; you left me behind . "

    credit for the picture goes to Susylu, of course. b:cute
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Well, technically you could have sold at least the Golden Spirits it took to make and made a cool 4-5M... but that's just whipping a dead horse.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
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  • Xxdistance - Heavens Tear
    Xxdistance - Heavens Tear Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Apples and oranges. b:shutup
    Or something like that.
    I got a 3rd Golden Spirit so it's not like I didn't make any coinage off farming my CH. b:pleased
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  • DeathVark - Raging Tide
    DeathVark - Raging Tide Posts: 56 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    flamingahole wrote: »
    It's downright sexy is what it is. You can find one sharded and refined a bit for under 200k in the auction house and if you're cheap it'll last you well into your 80s. Well, mine did anyway but the extra -0.1 interval from bracers of blood moon might have helped with that.

    Bracers definetely help. I got them at 60, used them with my +3 SS, switched to +4 2x flawless Wind and Clouds and rarely, and I mean, RARELY, get hit from the mobs at all, even 2-4 lvls higher than me...maybe Stunning Arrow lvl 9 helps too b:chuckle
  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I used a +6/2xG7 W&C for PvE from 69 all the way to 95, though also with Bracers of Blood Moon and R4 chest, and Demon Quickshot towards the end. Was still reliably outdamaging TT80s, TT90s, Vast Lands, and even low-refined Broad Lands.
  • Yoyoki - Lost City
    Yoyoki - Lost City Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    60 - 80 i used Solarslayer & Wind in the Clouds both very low refined, +3(i think) and werent expensive and i did fine never had a problem.ive just started using CH (yay)
    With gear im using molds + Rank equipment. Dark pants of hades are pretty cheap and are decent,attendance ring and a rank ring, the only thing i never really had, were a good set of wrist-guards, im just using the 80greens since ill need them anyway.
    Correct me if im wrong - i find a weapon +4 does awesome and gears +3 are more than enough until your 90+ and isnt expensive, especially since LA molds are decent in comparison to tt.

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