Solo arcane veno

Jestersig - Heavens Tear
Jestersig - Heavens Tear Posts: 172 Arc User
edited February 2011 in Venomancer
I've been working on a veno alt to use for soloing dungeons/TT/etc. I believe my veno is around lvl 46 right now. So far I've been doing 1 str, 3 vit, and 6 mag every 2 level2. I figured the extra vit would help survivability when dealing with bosses with aoes. Would you guys recommend stopping vit at some point? Is this arcane build decent for soloing bosses?

Secondly, since this is just an alt I doubt I'll end up getting a herc. Instead I've got the glacial walker with the elemental bash skill (icicle I think), roar, bash, and toughen. Will I be able to solo TT at 60 or will I have to wait a few levels to make it through alive?

Thanks for the responses.
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  • Lenley - Dreamweaver
    Lenley - Dreamweaver Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    That is a lot of vit. You must have around 70-80 already, right? I'd stop putting any in for quite a while.

    With that much taken out of your mag, I'm not sure if you could solo TT1-1 single mode when you get to it. Your pet heal is going to be a lot weaker than it could be, but it's not as much of a difference as some people might think. Dunno.
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    personally i capped my vit at 46, and honestly, i should have capped it sooner than i did. with bonuses i now have 57 vit, 2200-some HP, and if i need any more than that i'll start refining my armor. (i'm already planning to start sharding a citrine/garnet mix instead of just garnets.)

    i still haven't seriously tried to run a 1-1 solo mode, not since i dinged 63 and leveled up my pet heal. (or since i got tough and threaten up to level 4 on my walker, either.) last time i tried was... i think two levels ago, at which time chintien got lucky and killed my walker just as i had him to maybe 30% health. that with lower pet heal and lower pet defensive skills, so i'm thinking if i can't kill him as i am now, it'd be time to quit playing veno.
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  • Jestersig - Heavens Tear
    Jestersig - Heavens Tear Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Ok thanks for the tips guys. I'll stop my vit or maybe restat a few points out of it. I normally play a pure magic wiz and even with immac citrines in most of my gear I still get one shot by the occasional aoe in later TT and FF which probably prompted me to put more vit in the veno.
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Did TT 1-1 solo mode at lvl 65 and TT 1-2 solo mode at lvl 70 with a frog ( with lvl 1 tough)
    It was harsh but i managed , so i guess u with ur walker will do better than me. Just be sure to have some MAG + gear or reset some points of ur vit to magic.
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  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I capped my vit at 53 when I was running the vit-arcane path. If you're a serious veno, it's a nice number that fits perfectly in a reset note when you want to adjust things closer to endgame (pure mag or HA/AA). If it's an alt, it'll give you a nice bit of free hp without gimping your magic attack too terribly.

    As for your plans to solo dungeons, specifically TT: I wouldn't recommend this route if you're in it for the cash, especially if you aren't planning on getting a herc. The bosses that will be open to you really wouldn't be worth the time/cost of farming them.

    Exactly when you'll be able to solo bosses is more dependent on your magic attack and -channel speed than the level of your pet. (Pet level does have some influence, but as long as your pet isn't a 1-shot, you have a chance.) Solo mode is easier and faster, but runs don't always cover the cost of subs, let alone pots/repairs/genie food/time spent. Sometimes you can get lucky, but more often than not, you won't be making much profit quickly. That said, if you really want to run TT for money, you'll have to do it in squad mode.

    To be honest, with the time:profit ratio, you're better off grinding out in the world. At your level, I'd look at getting a good flying pet and farming fruit from flying mobs and/or a good water pet and farming fungus from water mobs. You can also halt your level and start dumping xp into genies to raise up and sell. Also look into the DQ market and target specific items (pw database will help you there). You can also make your pet fight your battles while digging herbs.

    But in all fairness, if you're raising a veno strictly to farm TT, your efforts are probably wasted, especially if you aren't planning on getting a herc.
  • Jestersig - Heavens Tear
    Jestersig - Heavens Tear Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Again thank you for the replies. To be honest I'm mostly interested in soloing TT just for the fun of it (a little sadistic I guess). If I can make some money all the better, but it's not my primary goal. With the wiz I wasn't able to solo 29 till probably lvl 70 and will probably never be able to solo TT so the veno is really to try a different style of play.
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  • MageMERC - Harshlands
    MageMERC - Harshlands Posts: 1,600 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    My veno is 77 and vit is 20. I soloed 1-1 a while ago, but with full magic i can heal a lot. I'd be interested if you can even do 1-1 with your magic but 1-2 - no chance. I tried twice at level 74 and pet got killed twice. Am going to try again now at level 76. I posted another thread because i enjoyed soloing so much as full arcane with herc
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    sins are the new instance soloing class.
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  • Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    sins are the new instance soloing class.

    This.

    On topic: I have 5 points in vit and I've done just fine so far.
  • CyanideTail - Heavens Tear
    CyanideTail - Heavens Tear Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I did things diferently, I wanted full arcane, str for weapon rest Mag. So around lvl 40 I look how much str I need for Scaredevil (this will be my weapon, dont comment) and rest I will put on Mag until max lvl :P.

    the ideea is heal pet is based on base mag and in TT for example if the pet die no matter how much vit you got I doubt you can survive him until you rez pet, summon, heal him and put him to atack again. So far I can trololo every single mode TT I can enter at my lvl
  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    the ideea is heal pet is based on base mag and in TT for example if the pet die no matter how much vit you got I doubt you can survive him until you rez pet, summon, heal him and put him to atack again. So far I can trololo every single mode TT I can enter at my lvl

    But when you start considering things like AOEs, if a pet outlives the veno, it does you no good. Your pets won't fight while you're eating dirt.

    If you plan on soloing 1-2/1-3 Drummer or Soul Banisher (squad mode), for example, in addition to a good magic attack, you'll need

    - a decent pool of hp
    - very good p.def
    - a cleric at lower levels

    So it boils down to where you want to spend your money. Vit is free hp leaving funding for better p.def gear/weapon/shards/refines all around. Considering the OP's veno is an alt, it may not be as well invested as someone's main.

    And about surviving to revive/resummon your pet - depending on the boss and the level, it can be doable.
  • QueenHera - Lost City
    QueenHera - Lost City Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited February 2011


    Question b:surrender

    Lets say U have a lvl 100 cleric at your disposal... What's the best money making plan fro a lvl 80 veno ?? =P

  • QueenHera - Lost City
    QueenHera - Lost City Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I am an arcane vveeenoo. =P

    I am currently carrying a magic wep... um... i pump magic.... but my gear is all add hp... and my ornaments are HP and P.def.

    Please Advise.

    Regards,
    Hera


    *edit.. Left my real name there cause i'm just too used to yuping e-mails. xD
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    most probably , TT , 1-2 mats sell for 150k-200k , which it may seem low , but their selling rate is quite good and stable ( at least im my server). i dont have much knowledge about others , since my cleric and archer are too low for these , but find mats that sell a lot and are easy to aquire , if u get a lot and sell = ull get a lot

    more info http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/
    http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/
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  • xxxdsmer
    xxxdsmer Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    if you intend to solo anything, most or all times it will be without any other support (i.e.: cleric and bm buffs)

    if you're rich and can refine the **** out of your gear to get to 5000+ HP at lv90-100+ i'd say go high mag and shard garnetts everywhere, along with wear the best pdef ornaments ingame (as far as their pdef and vit bonuses) and refine the pdef ornaments as well (as it adds even more phys def). this silly junk i see any given day i login the game of people running around in arcanes with mag res ornaments and citrine shards is just that.... absolutely silly.

    if you're not rich and cant refine the **** out of your gear to get to 5000+ HP at the high levels, you'd be best to stick with high vit and shard garnetts everywhere, again wearing the best pdef ornaments you can get, and refine those ornaments at least a little bit... maybe even consider going sage for 100% chance leech, more pdef from foxform, able to purify yourself every minute from just your skilltree (sage summer sprint) and more consistent higher damage (especially considering you're considering staying AA.. your critrate'll be low anyway.. so IMO better to add damage everytime rather than a improve a slight bit on a crappy low critrate: junk + a little = junk lol)

    if you run around trying to solo anything with 2k HP and **** for pdef you will die everytime. there's phys atk aoe bosses in quite a few of the HH instances, and with 2k hp and citrine shards you'll die no matter what you do.
    i'm pro all classes, and against none in particular..
    but the age old QQ about venos is just that. OLD.
    QQ'd about a nix lately? check out this thread n tell me who's "OP" lol..
    (copy and paste this to address bar):
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=102172
  • Cocobelle - Sanctuary
    Cocobelle - Sanctuary Posts: 960 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    xxxdsmer wrote: »
    if you intend to solo anything, most or all times it will be without any other support (i.e.: cleric and bm buffs)

    if you're rich and can refine the **** out of your gear to get to 5000+ HP at lv90-100+ i'd say go high mag and shard garnetts everywhere, along with wear the best pdef ornaments ingame (as far as their pdef and vit bonuses) and refine the pdef ornaments as well (as it adds even more phys def). this silly junk i see any given day i login the game of people running around in arcanes with mag res ornaments and citrine shards is just that.... absolutely silly.

    I stopped there because there's a purpose why those people wear those kinds of gear.

    a. The person may not have the coins for high refines for HP so they use Citrines on their armor instead of Garnets.
    b. Mag res ornaments = has a chance to havr -% channeling which is always welcomed by venos to have (faster heals, better dps, etc.). Plus a high channel veno is pretty rare nowadays.

    ijs. b:shutup
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Yeah, channel only seems to come on magic ornaments, and is basically the only reason for an arcane class to wear magic ornaments. (Actually.. it's possible for the bonus stats to have more pdef than a normal physical ornament too, but that's unusual.)
  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    It also depends on what you're fighting. If you're tanking magic mobs/bosses, then p.def isn't going to do you a shred of good. The elemental resistances won't do a whole lot in the grand scheme, but the adds on the gear can mean a lot, especially things like +mag, +vit, -chan, +mag attack.

    Personally, I think you should have multiple sets.