Unable to post Patch Notes for Playerbase.
Tremblewith - Heavens Tear
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I've sent three tickets in regard to this thread. Two automated responses via ticketing system, and one (the original ticket) was somewhat different.
Ticket 1:
Ticket sent: 01/19/11
Response recieved: 01/20/11
Ticket 2:
Ticket sent: 01/25/11
Response recieved: 02/03/11
Ticket 3:
Ticket sent: 02/08/11
Response recieved: 02/08/11
Patch notes for 01/19/11 have not been posted yet. Why not? Also, if my tickets aren't being looked at, why lie and say they basically are? Tell the truth.
Ticket 1:
Ticket sent: 01/19/11
Response recieved: 01/20/11
Hey xxxx, Patch notes for 463 are being updated on the site. Apparently they didn't post, and we apologize. It should be up shortly. As of now I can tell you that indeed, it was minor localization changes. Thank you!
Ticket 2:
Ticket sent: 01/25/11
Response recieved: 02/03/11
Thank you for reporting this, we have reported it to the Community Managers.
Ticket 3:
Ticket sent: 02/08/11
Response recieved: 02/08/11
Thank you for reporting this, we have reported it to the Community Managers.
Patch notes for 01/19/11 have not been posted yet. Why not? Also, if my tickets aren't being looked at, why lie and say they basically are? Tell the truth.
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I believe it does. Do I care if other people(s) want/care about Patch notes being posted? Nope.0
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Dude, Kantorek is just being being a lazy nub admin. Deal with it?
Or do you want him to spam the patch forum with "Minor localization changes" over and over again? oh wait he has.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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There is at the most, only one patch a week. Thus, one set of Patch notes a week. "Spam" isn't one post a week. Would I like a GM/CM to post one set of Patch notes for each patch implemented in the client? Yes. Do I care what's actually in the Patch or Patch notes? Nope, as long as the Patch notes aren't fake/lies.0
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They never say "what they actually do" in these patches/maintenance thingamabobs that they do, all it ever is... is this. MINOR LOCALIZATION CHANGES b:bye0
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That's not all it ever is. Although before 01/19/11 for quite a while, Patch notes have consisted of just "Minor Localization changes", that's due to the upcoming expansion. Knowing that this is at the very least, posted; solves a lot of issues and allows the playerbase to know something is being done. Of course, patch notes should only be posted when patches are implemented into our clients.0
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I would like to actually see some more effort gone into the patch notes, to let the player base have more of an insight into what actual minor localisation changes have occured. And even more so, I would like to see more DONE with the patches.. removing lag, even little by little..
It's a damn lazy act that there was no patch at all last week. If they had no localisations changes to do, they could have done SOMETHING.Koiz - omfg my life is now complete
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it seems pretty evident they arent patching anything with an expansion right around the corner.. since its a huge content update it makes no sense to do so, or so i thought......
so without patching anything it makes zero sense to post patch notes0 -
Eden - Raging Tide wrote: »it seems pretty evident they arent patching anything with an expansion right around the corner.. since its a huge content update it makes no sense to do so, or so i thought......
so without patching anything it makes zero sense to post patch notes
Your wrong. Sorry to be so blunt, but on 01/19/11 there was a small patch released. Are you currently playing Perfect World International? If so, you have that patch downloaded to your client on your PC. You can't play PWI w/ out having that patch. If you claim to be playing PWI w/ out having that patch, then your lying. The server contacts your client before you enter your account information to log in. If your client doesn't register w/ the same version information, it will tell you your client is too low, and you must update.
I realize it was most likely just "Minor localization" changes, and I frankly don't give a ****. It still should be posted. I'm sorry, but saying "We forgot", is idiotic. Three different tickets by just me, have been posted. If I had to take a guess, I'd say more tickets probably have been sent about this same issue, or a very similar issue. Is it really this difficult? The playerbase deserves to know what's in the patch they download, even if it's just "Minor localization".
For the people that don't care - I don't care that you don't care, really. I made this thread to get any potential response from a higher power (GM/CM/Mod). I realize some people see what I'm doing as moronic, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I realize some people want to troll, and/or not read over my post (OP), but want to say what they think. Logically, do what ya'll want. Telling me that it's not worth it, or w/e isn't going to stop me for fighting for the community.
If a Mod comes over and locks this thread, I'll just keep posting it until I get banned. I've already declined the third ticket, and am waiting another automated response. I also sent frankie a PM to get any potential response to this thread.
I'm not that upset at the fact that I don't know what was in the patch that I downloaded to my PC, and updated to my game client... It's more for the playerbase, fighting for what's right, and morals. If a player downloads some new software to their PC, wouldn't it be fair for them to know what they downloaded? (whether an update to software, or an actual new type of software, or w/e it may be).
Also, there shouldn't have to be three tickets, and nearly a wait of a month to get Patch notes up. No one should have to wait a month to get something done in this community. PWI's support team should read the tickets instead of sending an automated response, as well. I realize it takes time to read through tickets, but how many tickets does someone have to send to get a response that's not automated, and preferably answers the question(s) in the ticket?
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So, you'd rather see "Fixed the X and Y coords of NPC blah blah 0.02 meters to fix locational issues for upcoming expansion" over and over and over, and "moved building blah blah into position at coords X Y Z for upcoming expansion" in an enormous post, all in an area you ahve no access to?
I'll take 3 words instead, thanks, maybe with some words about packs and sales taht just destroy and destabilize the economy and make the game less playable.
And anyway, it's spam if it's the same thing over and over again, regardless of how frequently it's posted. b:chuckle101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »So, you'd rather see "Fixed the X and Y coords of NPC blah blah 0.02 meters to fix locational issues for upcoming expansion" over and over and over, and "moved building blah blah into position at coords X Y Z for upcoming expansion" in an enormous post, all in an area you ahve no access to?
Wasnt towards me but yes, I would rather see what they have done to the game than read "minor localization changes", over and over again. The idea to post patch notes is to let players know what has changed, nobody forces you to read them but imo you should have the option to do so.Trolling Sid since So Hot
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »So, you'd rather see "Fixed the X and Y coords of NPC blah blah 0.02 meters to fix locational issues for upcoming expansion" over and over and over, and "moved building blah blah into position at coords X Y Z for upcoming expansion" in an enormous post, all in an area you ahve no access to?
I'll take 3 words instead, thanks, maybe with some words about packs and sales taht just destroy and destabilize the economy and make the game less playable.
And anyway, it's spam if it's the same thing over and over again, regardless of how frequently it's posted. b:chuckle
1.) Read over what I've written. Diving into a thread w/ out reading it's contents, but posting a reply; means nothing. Learn to read the thread & it's contents before posting, because your posts are just out there, and have nothing to do with the thread's contents and/or OP.
2.) Here is the Urban Dictionary webpage for "Spam". You should reevaluate what you consider "spam", because what the rest of society defines spam as, is completely different than what you do.
Why post in a thread if you don't care about it, and feel like posting something(s) that don't even relate to the topic at hand?
3.) Posting weekly patch notes when there are patches isn't spam. Just as making weekly posts on http://pwi.perfectworld.com for new cash shop items, isn't spam. Just like www.msn.com has new news each day. Just as www.filehippo.com has new updates each day to a software list. It's not spam, it's called updates and posting them. There is a difference. Learn it.
4.) The patch note's as I've stated before, which you clearly decided to not read - DON'T have to say a huge list of ****, if it wasn't changed. On 01/19/11 - it was "Minor Localization changes" according to the original ticket. However never posted. Before that? Minor localization changes. Is that a problem w/ me? Nope, as long as it is posted. Have they been posted? The ones before 01/19/11, yes. Whatever was in the patch, should be posted. That's what reputable video game companies do. That's what PWI was doing previously, but never did for 01/19/11.0 -
WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »Wasnt towards me but yes, I would rather see what they have done to the game than read "minor localization changes", over and over again. The idea to post patch notes is to let players know what has changed, nobody forces you to read them but imo you should have the option to do so.
Well, if it's stuff dealing with the expansion, then it's under NDA, so they can't reveal it until it's public, and therefore, they can't anyway.Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »1.) Read over what I've written. Diving into a thread w/ out reading it's contents, but posting a reply; means nothing. Learn to read the thread & it's contents before posting, because your posts are just out there, and have nothing to do with the thread's contents and/or OP.
2.) Here is the Urban Dictionary webpage for "Spam". You should reevaluate what you consider "spam", because what the rest of society defines spam as, is completely different than what you do.
Why post in a thread if you don't care about it, and feel like posting something(s) that don't even relate to the topic at hand?
3.) Posting weekly patch notes when there are patches isn't spam. Just as making weekly posts on http://pwi.perfectworld.com for new cash shop items, isn't spam. Just like www.msn.com has new news each day. Just as www.filehippo.com has new updates each day to a software list. It's not spam, it's called updates and posting them. There is a difference. Learn it.
4.) The patch note's as I've stated before, which you clearly decided to not read - DON'T have to say a huge list of ****, if it wasn't changed. On 01/19/11 - it was "Minor Localization changes" according to the original ticket. However never posted. Before that? Minor localization changes. Is that a problem w/ me? Nope, as long as it is posted. Have they been posted? The ones before 01/19/11, yes. Whatever was in the patch, should be posted. That's what reputable video game companies do. That's what PWI was doing previously, but never did for 01/19/11.
how the **** am I diving into a thread? I posted the first reply in the entire thing...
The notes for 1/19/11 were not posted because Kantorek got flamed in a thread, IIRC, on 1/18/11, or on 1/19/11, and he probably just didn't want to post the damn notes. Dude, the guy is a human being, and he's probably busy working on a deadline to get the expansion finished. You QQing like this isn't going to help, and diverting him off something he's really involved in to post 3 words is a distraction he doesn't need.
If you really feel the need for those 3 little words to be in the patch notes forum, PM Kritty and ask him to post them for you, in liu of Kantorek, and see if you can get something done. Kritty might not even have posting access to that forum.
But you're acting like a child, and with how much that happens here on the forums, it's a bit too much. Then again, that's just about the only reason to come to these forums anymore, because nothing here is that serious, taken seriously, or is way over the top too serious.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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1.) Kantorek has been "flamed" for the patch notes since PWI has nearly existed. All higher up's on the forums are "flamed" for what they do. They don't stop doing they're jobs because of this, however.
2.) A Mod wouldn't have the ability nor the knowledge of the patch notes. Patch notes are only for people working at the company to know. Mods work from they're house, and don't get paid.
3.) Being too busy to do your job isn't a valid excuse. Posting the patch note's is what should have been done. It hasn't. That's a failure on they're side.
4.) Diving into a thread is when you don't read the posts fully and/or come up w/ your own conclusion that's nearly completely off topic. I had stated that the patch note's weren't being posted, and that's why I'm doing this - for the community. You came and said that they are just going to be, and I quote: "Fixed the X and Y coords of NPC blah blah 0.02 meters to fix locational issues for upcoming expansion". Two different things. In order to comply w/ the thread's subject, you have to stay on topic. I wasn't speaking of any other patch note beside's 01/19/11. I wasn't speaking of any other contents in that patch note beside's "Minor Localization changes". But to you, I was clearly. That's what diving into a thread does - when you don't read everything and/or properly understand what was written. That's why diving into a thread is a "bad" thing to do, on a general basis. It makes you look like a moron.
5.) Okay, cool - I'm acting like a child. Okay, cool - I'm QQing. Do I care what you think? Read a few posts a go. I don't. If you don't like my replies, don't read them. If you don't like the thread and/or the thread's contents, don't read or reply in it. Replying in a thread to call the OP's author a child is pure idiocy on your part. It show's how much of a child you really are, and how you are unable to keep yourself from "battling" online against people in a thread on a video game's forum. Next time you post, I'll just ignore it. Pretty sad when people feel like posting in a thread that they don't like, explaining how much they don't like it, lol.0 -
I like consistency too. Patch-notes are 1 of them.
It does not have to say much but the presence of patch-notes create a notion of a involved company. But that's me..
I will leave it at that.
Carry onI speak for myself. My opinions are my own.
Assuming I speak for others is therefor void.0 -
Promivius - Dreamweaver wrote: »I like consistency too. Patch-notes are 1 of them.
It does not have to say much but the presence of patch-notes create a notion of a involved company. But that's me..
I will leave it at that.
Carry on
I agree. When patches are implemented into everyone's game clients, there should be patch notes. Updates to game clients > patch > patch notes.
Also, response to my denied ticket came in today:
Ticket denied on: 02/08/11
Ticket replied on: 02/09/11I apologize for the abruptness and coldness of the last reply, xxxx. We do appreciate your report on the patch notes availability, and have forwarded the concern to the appropriate people. Please let us know if you have any further questions!
I suppose I'll have to send another ticket in 5-7 days about the same issue.0 -
Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »Well, if it's stuff dealing with the expansion, then it's under NDA, so they can't reveal it until it's public, and therefore, they can't anyway.
Yeah, they been getting ready for expansion last 3 years, totally.Trolling Sid since So Hot0 -
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WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »Yeah, they been getting ready for expansion last 3 years, totally.
lmao They were probably working on the Fish expansion as soon as the game went out of Open Beta.
And after the Worms expansion is released, they will probably start working on the next expansion.
So there's probably always an NDA in place regarding future content. Granted, it makes... No sense since we can already see the map and have a pretty good idea of the content coming out since PW-CN already HAS most of the content.
The next expansions will be, my guess is, to raise the level cap, and open more areas of the world, introduce more quests, more instances, and stuff like that. My guess is there's a lot of content the game will have, if it stays afloat long enough, and the rubberbanding, unbalanced class power, and bugs don't kill it first.
And future expansions won't be quite the same as the current and previous one, but more of a "Look, content expansion!"
For patch notes, I agree, it would be awesome if they posted stuff they do fix, move, or otherwise change not covered by NDA's, but that may be an extensive list, and time is better spent fixing, moving, or working on code than posting here.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »...but yes, I would rather see what they have done to the game than read "minor localization changes", over and over again. The idea to post patch notes is to let players know what has changed, nobody forces you to read them but imo you should have the option to do so.
I can't help but agree with this. Anyone working in a professional setting involving software code or database work should understand the basic rule: "Document your work." Every programming and coding language I've ever seen (and I've seen many) include a way to comment lines or segments of code. This is a fundamental principle that is drilled into everyone before they enter the field.
Now admittedly I don't know what specific guidelines PWE "programming" staff have to follow to translate incoming patches, nor what their job descriptions might be - I can't say "this is part of your job, do it." What I can say is that this is the only game I've played where patch notes are either useless or nonexistant. Even flash games on Newgrounds explain what was updated or improved, if the author updates. At the risk of getting slapped for flaming PWE again, it's unprofessional and ignorant - if you update something, document it.
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Svarius - Heavens Tear wrote: »I can't help but agree with this. Anyone working in a professional setting involving software code or database work should understand the basic rule: "Document your work." Every programming and coding language I've ever seen (and I've seen many) include a way to comment lines or segments of code. This is a fundamental principle that is drilled into everyone before they enter the field.
Now admittedly I don't know what specific guidelines PWE "programming" staff have to follow to translate incoming patches, nor what their job descriptions might be - I can't say "this is part of your job, do it." What I can say is that this is the only game I've played where patch notes are either useless or nonexistant. Even flash games on Newgrounds explain what was updated or improved, if the author updates. At the risk of getting slapped for flaming PWE again, it's unprofessional and ignorant - if you update something, document it.
EDIT: Quote + bold, to make clear what I'm agreeing with.
I completely agree with you. I'm in the Networking field, and documentation is a must have for anything we do, or any changes we make. This is the only updated game that I've played, where Patch notes are so.. Fail.Balthier - Dreamweaver wrote: »You guys who are ******** about something like this have some serious issues with figuring out what to fill all the hours of the day with...
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Seems like PWI wants us to find out what they patched our selfs...Well thats ok makes it more intresting for me as I dissasemble your patch
Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Bump.
Did you really just bump your own thread that is less than 2 days old?...Wow sorry thats desperate.02/07/2011 - Lost paitence with PWI sold all my gear bought packs and wasted my coin till it was gone... goodbye PWI b:bye0 -
Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide wrote: »Seems like PWI wants us to find out what they patched our selfs...Well thats ok makes it more intresting for me as I dissasemble your patch
Did you really just bump your own thread that is less than 2 days old?...Wow sorry thats desperate.
Yep, once a day until I get a higher authority's response. Whether it's a GM/CM/Mod. If a mod locks the topic, I'll create another one. I'm not doing this in desperation. I'm doing this in annoyance. If they would have followed through w/ what they should have done, or followed through w/ the tickets, this thread wouldn't exist. Am I taking this to far and/or to the extreme? Probably, but I'm doing it purposely.0 -
No offence but some things are worth arguing over and causing a nuisance over but this?... Like I just said there are ways and means to find out whats in the patch your self it just takes some brain power.
I'm one of the first to speak up if I think something is out of order but this baffles me... Do you want to see the staff working rota next? or maybe they can give you an inspection of there office toilet.
What they work on in that patch is the business of PWI as long as the game is functioning properly you should not be concerned with it if any major changes are made you are notified through "News" or in Frankies maintenance thread.
Put your effort in to an argument that actually affects your game play as this is just baffling.02/07/2011 - Lost paitence with PWI sold all my gear bought packs and wasted my coin till it was gone... goodbye PWI b:bye0 -
Sirsmokealot - Raging Tide wrote: »No offence but some things are worth arguing over and causing a nuisance over but this?... Like I just said there are ways and means to find out whats in the patch your self it just takes some brain power.
I'm one of the first to speak up if I think something is out of order but this baffles me... Do you want to see the staff working rota next? or maybe they can give you an inspection of there office toilet.
What they work on in that patch is the business of PWI as long as the game is functioning properly you should not be concerned with it if any major changes are made you are notified through "News" or in Frankies maintenance thread.
Put your effort in to an argument that actually affects your game play as this is just baffling.
We want to know what has changed in the game we play. Im pretty sure noone cares about their frigging toilet, but the game theyve changed that we play? I want to know, he wants to know, and they should be telling us.
PWE is gaining a reputation for sucking hardcore just because they forget things like this. Seriously. Most of the complaints people have aside 5APS could be completely avoided by PWE just thinking a little more before doing or not doing things.
Theres only 2 recent things I can pull up that are good, and thats DQ points and UNDOING a stupid change. srsly, wtf is this ****?0 -
Hunnybunney - Harshlands wrote: »We want to know what has changed in the game we play. Im pretty sure noone cares about their frigging toilet, but the game theyve changed that we play? I want to know, he wants to know, and they should be telling us.
PWE is gaining a reputation for sucking hardcore just because they forget things like this. Seriously. Most of the complaints people have aside 5APS could be completely avoided by PWE just thinking a little more before doing or not doing things.
Theres only 2 recent things I can pull up that are good, and thats DQ points and UNDOING a stupid change. srsly, wtf is this ****?
This is where your getting it wrong you are under the impression that PWI needs to put everything on the table for you to see which it does not.
I use Spotify, Skype, MSN, Pokerstars hell I ever play solitare from time to time ... Do they give me a log of there patches?...No mainly for two reasons one is the fact it lowers there security and two it has nothing to do with us what changes they are making..to THERE code..They run the game we play it we can make suggestions they can either choose to listen or ignore them...I really do not see what you are gaining from them releasing patch information if you really want to know looks your self inside the patch
If you purchased the game then you could have a right to this information but as you have never paid directly to play the game I dont see what rights you have to know what is being changed inside it.
I do play the same game you know?... There is no need to tell me how the game is I am fully aware that PWI are not top notch at what they do but being "harrased" about stuff like this kind of makes me understand why.
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Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yep, once a day until I get a higher authority's response. Whether it's a GM/CM/Mod. If a mod locks the topic, I'll create another one. I'm not doing this in desperation. I'm doing this in annoyance. If they would have followed through w/ what they should have done, or followed through w/ the tickets, this thread wouldn't exist. Am I taking this to far and/or to the extreme? Probably, but I'm doing it purposely.
What will you do if they ban you?
Creating another topic after one gets locked may get you banned... Just FYI.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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