APS getting nerfed! True or False?

Aps wont be nerfed, it has been rumoured for what, a year now? Heck, the latest rumour I heard is that on Genesis they are adding -int stones in the game, 1 stone on wep = -0.05int. I would not put much weight on that rumour and I would completely ignore the nerf aps rumours.

Edit: added not, lol.

the new runecrafting skill allows you to make
stones/weapon charms that add a 30min - 60 minbuff to your weapon:

"At lower skill levels of Runecrafting, the only possible buffs are the standard +STR/+DEX/+VIT/+MAG, but once you reach higher skills levels, you will gain the ability to craft runes that grant far more powerful buffs-- ones that can increase stats like +Crit, -Chan, and Atk/Def level."

just because the don't list -int doesnt mean it might not be one of the possible crafting choices.

but back to the op - stop listening to stupid rumours that may or may never come to pass. they are created on the forum by bored people looking to create unrest, and then somehow become fact when people who don't know better read it and spread it in the game. Chinese whispers and all that jazz.

Shulkie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

the new runecrafting skill allows you to make
stones/weapon charms that add a 30min - 60 minbuff to your weapon:

"At lower skill levels of Runecrafting, the only possible buffs are the standard +STR/+DEX/+VIT/+MAG, but once you reach higher skills levels, you will gain the ability to craft runes that grant far more powerful buffs-- ones that can increase stats like +Crit, -Chan, and Atk/Def level."

just because the don't list -int doesnt mean it might not be one of the possible crafting choices.

but back to the op - stop listening to stupid rumours that may or may never come to pass. they are created on the forum by bored people looking to create unrest, and then somehow become fact when people who don't know better read it and spread it in the game. Chinese whispers and all that jazz.

-int buffs... That would actually make sense with rumours and tbh, I really dont want it =(. Either it`s gonna be so expensive it aint worth on farming or it`s gonna be so cheap it`s ridiculous. More attack lvls for sins? Way to fix them, lmao.

Aps will be nerfed to 3.33. I have a reliable source that I will not share with anyone.

Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Aps will be nerfed to 3.33. I have a reliable source that I will not share with anyone.

Its not true. And IF true, big if...then perfect world would lose many players and cash shoppers I'm sure. At least, on a PVP server. Either that or everyone rolls magic class.

It won't be nerf, they will lose a lot of players. They can increase mobs' phy damage resistance, or increase magic user's damage. They can not take things out, but put something in to balance it.

They are not nerfed in Wanmei, people still complain Seeker can't 5.0 (because sage/demon for Earthguard not release yet).

To me, the problem of 5.0 is that the classes lost their own meaning.

RuneSeeker - Harshlands wrote: »

It would also be incredibly more fun to play. And 3.33 APS isn't something to scoff at.
Quite a few players would return to the game, and a a lot more people will buy rank 8/9 for their mage classes/new mystics.
ATM 5 APS> Every other class. "LF APS for fast FCC!11"

For you maybe...Would also be way more fun for those players that cant afford interval gear. Which is the largets group that keeps saying interval should be nerfed, since they will never be able to reach 5.0, might as well pray it just goes away.

But not much more fun to play for all those thousands of people that charged huge amounts of irl money to get 350-450 mil intreval tomes etc lol. Not much more fun for those that spent months or even a year to hardcore farm all gear to reach 5.0 either.

I dont think it will get nerfed tho, its been a rumor going on for years now. Im guessing they will add stuff instead that will make non-aps classes more useful in pve.

RuneSeeker - Harshlands wrote: »

Let's just hope you're right...
Everyone by now knows the huge improvements in gameplay that will come if 5 APS if nerfed.

lolwut?


How will nerfing 5 aps improve gameplay lmao.

RuneSeeker - Harshlands wrote: »

(archers needing to use weapons other than ranged to be accepted in squads most of the time)

An archer is nothing more than a ranger class. Traditionally, ranger classes have both ranged weapons and melee ones. IMO, archers should be able to use melee weapons depending on varying situations.

RuneSeeker - Harshlands wrote: »

What?

What don't you understand about it. 5.0 APS is one of the only ways non cash shoppers can hope to keep up with cash shoppers.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

What don't you understand about it. 5.0 APS is one of the only ways non cash shoppers can hope to keep up with cash shoppers.

Thats very true and also one of the reasons that aps might get nerfed eventually. Short term its makes PWI money, but long term it creates players that doesnt need to cash shop as much as they use to.

Once u get a char to 4.0/5.0 you're not so dependent of cash shopping anymore. Obviously you cant get rank9 +12 in 1 day like the guys with fat Credit Cards but you can still make enough cash for charms, refines, skills and occasionally new gear.

Most people (specially clueless new players) seems to think 5.0 chars are people that cash shops heavily to be OP and dont know how to play and other rubbish. But in many cases its f2p players that invested a lot of time in-game grinding/farming to get an interval char that can support them financially without being tied up to the cash shop every time its a good sale.

For people that only cash shoppers occasionally and for those that cant afford to charge at all, having an 5.0 char is like the only option atm to update your gear endgame.

This is of course nothing someone that played for a few month and thinks HH99+5 is sufficient, would understand.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Magic classes aren't good at farming, this has ALWAYS been true.

This is the whole point of classes, some are better in one aspect of the game than others.

Duh, and I agree that's how it should always be. But it went from magic classes and *gasp* vit axe bms being a normal member of a squad to "lol we want 4 aps or better only"

And don't give me the "start your own squad" ****, you know how many people will leave the squad if they see a wiz in it?

Gah edit for your edit x.x

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

A mage can outperform just about any other class in TW by far.

A mage with gear that's not even as good as mine can easily get 5 times as many kills as me in one TW.

But do you see a ton of threads about nerfing BIDS? Do you see everyone demanding that the +crit from sage BIDS be reduced?

That's a horrible example. You know why? 90% OF EVERY SERVER'S PLAYERS DON'T EVEN TW

Awesome analogy there, so you're saying that because my class is good in one specific instance that 5 aps characters should be able to solo/quickly in squad farm every farmable instance in this game and be able to make **** tons of money in short time to balance that out? Yeah... great logic.

P.S. And since when was it a barb's primary role to kill people in TW?

ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Duh, and I agree that's how it should always be. But it went from magic classes and *gasp* vit axe bms being a normal member of a squad to "lol we want 4 aps or better only"

And don't give me the "start your own squad" ****, you know how many people will leave the squad if they see a wiz in it?

Gah edit for your edit x.x



That's a horrible example. You know why? 90% OF EVERY SERVER'S PLAYERS DON'T EVEN TW

Awesome analogy there, so you're saying that because my class is good in one specific instance that 5 aps characters should be able to solo/quickly in squad farm every farmable instance in this game and be able to make **** tons of money in short time to balance that out? Yeah... great logic.

P.S. And since when was it a barb's primary role to kill people in TW?

Make a farming character?


Back in the day mages weren't any better at farming, and they weren't wanted anymore.

Before 5aps, when a mage got to 100 you know what he did?








He made a venomancer alt and used that to farm TT, because that was the farming class back then.




The only magic class that was ever a regular member of a squad was a veno with a herc.

If you look back to the months before anni packs I'm sure you'll be able to find a thread somewhere by a mage complaining he wasn't taken to TT because they wanted a herc veno instead. Or a veno complaining she wasn't taken to TT because she didn't have a herc.

The only reason why mages were ever taken to TT is because they were the only choice, and the only reason they were the only choice is because back then there were no hypers or oracles, so there was a very small selection of players to choose from. So yea it's easy to say some mages were taken to TT3-3 back in the day, but that's only because there was a very small people who were high level enough to farm TT.


Nowadays? With hypers and oracles rampant and everyone and their cousin having 5 characters at level 100+ it will be more like this.


WC guy: Need a DD for Nirvana

Mage: I can go

WC guy: lvl/class?

Mage: 100 mage

WC guy: sorry, rather have an archer.

That's a horrible example. You know why? 90% OF EVERY SERVER'S PLAYERS DON'T EVEN TW

Awesome analogy there, so you're saying that because my class is good in one specific instance that 5 aps characters should be able to solo/quickly in squad farm every farmable instance in this game and be able to make **** tons of money in short time to balance that out? Yeah... great logic.

P.S. And since when was it a barb's primary role to kill people in TW?

So? just because some people don't do the instance where mages are good doesn't mean they aren't broken there.

How about any form of PK. I've been hit by 6k with gush with solid shield up from a mage. The fact is mages are good at PvP damage. If you don't PvP as a mage? Well then why would you pick a class that specializes in PvP and not PvE and then complain about not being good at PvE?


You're right, barbs should only be cata pullers. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go ahead and make a thread complaining about how my faction only takes FOUR barbs to TW, and 20+ mages.

when you see wc's like:
Forming TW Faction, Only Wizzies R8+
then talk about TW imbalance and say that that compensates for the pve imbalance.

I'm in a TW faction, if you were to apply to my faction then being a mage makes it FAR easier to get in.

We accept mages with gear FAR below that of other people we reject. If a mage applies with nothing but +5 TT99 gears, then we'll accept the hell out of that application. If a BM applies with the same gears, even with 4.0 aps, we'll tell him to get lost.




If you looked into the classes when starting the game, you would have found out that a mage specializes in PvP and in exchange isn't as great in PvE. If you didn't look into classes, that's your fault. If you did but still rolled a class that you knew was good in PvP and not so good in PvE then don't complain about PvE.


All classes have a role in TW but some are better than others.

Barbs? The best 4 barbs pull catapults. The rest? get lost.

BMs? You have maybe about 6 or 7 maybe. Not much more.

Venos? Purge and amp only, again about 6 or 7.

Sins? We have one squad of sins that we use to scout, kill the pillars you respawn at, and take out clerics, sins are pretty much useless in PvP in a TW.

So where's the rest of the people in a TW? Mages, archers, psychics.

RuneSeeker - Harshlands wrote: »

What?


We've got a few melee skills (lightning, winged pledge/wingspan). If archers were truly designed in mind to be able to use melee weapons just like their ranged weapons, we would have a skill tree devoted to melee weapons/masteries/skills. Let's stick to what pwi thinks of archers, and not an IRL definition of them. Blademasters can use fists, psychics can't predict the future, ect ect

if archers were intended to be able to use fists and claws, they would be able to equip them.