Official Game Rules, whats true? whats not?

Posts: 2 Arc User
edited February 2011 in General Discussion
Im very curious couse even the TOS don`t say anything in detail about them.
So thats my questions, hope i get offical response from a GM or some stuff of PWI, and not just rumors.

1. Can you get banned for running trough walls? To avoid mobs ins Dungeons?

2. What about offering too high prices for stuff in catshops?

3. Or pretend to sell something else in catshop, like write: sell best luck and in reality only normal tockens

4. What about luring a boss in to a safe place like a town? Does it matter if there are guards or not?

5. What about luring a boss in NOT a safe place? Just a bit or a lot apart from the spot it spawned usually? And kill like that some people?

6. Luring trough Doors? If its possible for venos why not use it?

7. Will the character get banned if it wears a name like: HelpYouFor$ ?

Edit 8: What about pick up drops someone lost couse got killed from a mob or player or dropped per accident and not give it back to him?

Edit 9: What about stealing drops as a "bank" in TTs? Or stealing Molds in a fb (just dont give it to tabber)?

If you implement it as possible, why blaim people for using the possiblitys the game offers?
WHY NOT JUST IMPLEMENT SOMETHING WHICH WILL MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT?
I think it would be a insolence to ban people for stuff the developers themself couldnt fix in the game >_>
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  • Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Yes

    Depends

    Yes

    Yes

    Yes

    Yes

    Edit:

    No

    No

    If they can prove you agreed to split drops, or that you agreed to give molds to tabber/winer, then yes



    That's like telling the cops you shouldn't get arrested for stealing something from someone's house because they left the door unlocked.
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  • Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    If you implement it as possible, why blaim people for using the possiblitys the game offers?
    WHY NOT JUST IMPLEMENT SOMETHING WHICH WILL MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT?
    I think it would be a insolence to ban people for stuff the developers themself couldnt fix in the game >_>

    Taking advantage of glitches in the game is a bannable offense. Just because its there doesn't mean you should use it.

    FrankieRaye, our community manager put it this way:
    Yes, technically it's bannable, as you're exploiting the game mechanics to gain an unfair advantage.
  • Posts: 1,301 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Done them all except #1 and I'm still here. I don't trust the programs out there atm capable of it, they leave too much of a mark so to speak b:surrender

    But yes they are all bannable except 2 and 7 according to what GMs have said in the past. 1 would border on a longer or perma ban I think.
  • Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Gotta love how ambiguous they are. There's a couple glitches to enable claw in Fox Form that they said no one was or would be banned for doing.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Why do you even want to know?


    Do you plan on stealing drops from a TT or FB?
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  • Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    actually someone stealed once drops in TTs in a random squad i was, i reported and nothing was done about it, so i want an offical anwser...

    BUT ANYWAY I WANT TO KNOW CLEARLY THE RULES!

    there SHOULD be an official List, avaible for all players to know what they are not allowed to do, would make life easier for all of us!
  • Posts: 279 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    It's really common sense, utilizing unauthorized exploits means exactly what it sounds like. If it seems like you shouldn't be able to do it then you probably shouldn't....

    Just follow this, it's probably the best advice you will ever see on this matter.


    1: Yes, because walls/doors are there for a reason. They are not there for you to go through, they are meant to block you and make you find a specified path around.

    2: Yes and no, it depends on the situation. I remember a while back when people would sell stones for the
    crazy stone, and have all of them at the same price except one stack, which was much higher. In this case, I remember people getting banned for doing so.

    3: Yes, as both look very similar and can easily be confused for another.

    4: Yes, you are probably going to get some people killed for no reason, which it does say in the ToS is
    against the rules, just in a different way. Something about preventing other players from enjoying the game or something like that, I imagine that is the clause which covers it.

    5: Yes, if you are doing it intentionally. If you are just trying to escape because you are trying to avoid dying, then it would be considered an accident I imagine. But if you are a level 80 with Krixxix on your tail, I doubt you can say the same thing.

    6: Yes, the door is there for a reason. You are supposed to open it, not to just skip the process. Besides, it gives an unfair advantage to one class over all of the others, and violates game mechanics.

    7: No. The only way you can get banned for a name is if it is offensive, is being used to mimic another players for the purpose of getting that player into trouble on the server or with other people, or if you are attempting to mimic a GM's name.

    8: No. They went out and got killed, anything that drop off of them is free game for everyone. It is your choice what to do with it if you pick it up, but returning it to it's owner is always a good idea. I did this once, and karma felt it necessary that for returning a piece of high level, sharded and refined gear to the Barb who died, he gave me 700k. Of course the armor was worth much more than that, but I had gotten money as well as made a very powerful friend in a very powerful guild at the time (he was in Narla).

    9: No, surprisingly. These are player made rules, and will not be enforced by PWE. Verbal agreements will not be enforced. Don't bother trying to argue this either, I received this answer straight from a PWE representative after having a discussion about a certain player on my server who has been scamming the newbies. Basically, when you are giving a player mats to be the bank, you are simply giving them the mats. Whatever they do with it then is their choice. Of course, you can always give a shout on world chat, and that person will probably find it very hard to ever get in a TT run again.

    Just as well, just because a person wines or tabs in a FB doesn't mean he/she will get the drops. That is just a rule among players themselves, and is treated much the same as the above. Once a person gets an item, whether it is picked up or traded, it is theirs to do with as they please. Again though, you can always call them out on it in world chat.

    As for why there isn't a list of rules, some exploits are not listed because if they were, people who do not know how to do them would. If you can't use common sense though to figure out what you should or shouldn't do, you deserve to be banned.
  • Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    1. Can you get banned for running trough walls? To avoid mobs ins Dungeons?

    mobs cant get banned when they run into walls to avoid you, specialy in FB59
    2. What about offering too high prices for stuff in catshops?
    dont think so, thats just rip off shop
    3. Or pretend to sell something else in catshop, like write: sell best luck and in reality only normal tockens
    same here, you could be new ingame and get confused on the prices
  • Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I definately agree that this game has HIGHLY ambiguous rules that could be clarified, but even then it would be bit pointless due to the fact that any rules they do happen to enforce, they enforce them rather randomly and / or rarely.

    This kind of system is just asking for people to take use of known glitches since even when reported, there's no concequences.
  • Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I definately agree that this game has HIGHLY ambiguous rules that could be clarified, but even then it would be bit pointless due to the fact that any rules they do happen to enforce, they enforce them rather randomly and / or rarely.

    This kind of system is just asking for people to take use of known glitches since even when reported, there's no concequences.
    I know several people who have been banned for abusing bugs, multi clienting, wall hacking, etc.
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  • Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    There are no "official" rules. Only the ones the GMs decide to use at a specific time to make an example of someone.
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  • Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Im very curious couse even the TOS don`t say anything in detail about them.
    So thats my questions, hope i get offical response from a GM or some stuff of PWI, and not just rumors.

    1. Can you get banned for running trough walls? To avoid mobs ins Dungeons?
    how would u run through walls? sin tele? i guess that's not ok
    avoid mobs: perfectly ok. we dont have to kill everything we see.
    if avoiding mobs was bannable anyone higher than 30 will be banned


    2. What about offering too high prices for stuff in catshops?
    why would that be a problem. free market

    3. Or pretend to sell something else in catshop, like write: sell best luck and in reality only normal tockens
    that's kinda ambiquous. also, techically, if the shop is selling even one item that's the item that it says, it's legit. eg: shop with title S>BestLuck, sells 1 BLT for 5mil, 1 regular for 4.7m. dev's cant/shouldnt do something about it.


    4. What about luring a boss in to a safe place like a town? Does it matter if there are guards or not?
    using mobs/bosses to kill players is not ok

    5. What about luring a boss in NOT a safe place? Just a bit or a lot apart from the spot it spawned usually? And kill like that some people?
    see 4

    6. Luring trough Doors? If its possible for venos why not use it?
    well...if i stand near a door in tt3-3 and a mob hits me, am i expected to let it kill me?
    on the other hand, luring in fb29 is not ok.
    there is a difference between using and abusing a glitch:
    going in a certain fb, clearing to the boss and then go behind a wall to kill it (it can still attack you) and then getting some SS in the empty landscape is ok.
    using it to skip the mobs to do the bh is not


    7. Will the character get banned if it wears a name like: HelpYouFor$ ?
    i dont see something wrong with the name. unless u mean RL $. still, i'ts the action, not the name. on the other hand a name like ****** will get u banned

    Edit 8: What about pick up drops someone lost couse got killed from a mob or player or dropped per accident and not give it back to him?
    his fault his loss. if devs wanted drops to be returned they wouldnt allow them to drop in the first place

    Edit 9: What about stealing drops as a "bank" in TTs? Or stealing Molds in a fb (just dont give it to tabber)?
    unless there is a signed contract i dont see how a dev could ban that.

    If you implement it as possible, why blaim people for using the possiblitys the game offers?
    WHY NOT JUST IMPLEMENT SOMETHING WHICH WILL MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO IT?
    I think it would be a insolence to ban people for stuff the developers themself couldnt fix in the game >_>

    having a bug-free program is next to impossible.
  • Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    so your saying that to wall jump with my sin is taking advantage of game/glitch? If I'm not supposed to do it don't program skill in class that lets us. And another thing all this **** talk of banning for PvP. If you don't like got to PVE server.
  • Posts: 448 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I don't know if you've tried to run a game-world before but making an "explicit" list of rules invites rules-lawyering from players that want to grief other players or otherwise exploit game mechanics (which are not so easy to fix) to gain an unfair advantage over those that do play by the rules. Therefore, no smart governing body ever writes out an "all-inclusive" list... they provide examples but it's almost always left up to the GMs judgment calls on a case-by-case basis.

    Generally speaking, if you have to ask, it's probalby illegal. Reporting it with clear screenshot evidence, if you or your friends suffered because of someone else's illegal action, is the only thing you can do. Not all offenders will be judged to have sufficient evidence against them for the GMs to decide to take action, so GET INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE... or it didn't happen in their eyes.

    Section 11 of the Terms of Service (ToS) has a decent list of what not to do, but it really doesn't matter since you agreed to the ToS by playing here and Section 18 clearly says "PWE MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, BLOCK ACCESS TO OR DELETE THE SERVICE OR ANY ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME WITH OR WITHOUT REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE."

    So they can ban you without reason and without notice at any time... catch-all clause so they can take action if they feel it's needed without strong evidence. Remember, you agreed to this term so don't whine about it. They're in charge not you, so if you think someone did something wrong and they don't take action, tough luck.
  • Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    1. Can you get banned for running trough walls? To avoid mobs ins Dungeons?
    yes
    2. What about offering too high prices for stuff in catshops?
    no
    3. Or pretend to sell something else in catshop, like write: sell best luck and in reality only normal tockens
    yes
    4. What about luring a boss in to a safe place like a town? Does it matter if there are guards or not?
    not sure
    5. What about luring a boss in NOT a safe place? Just a bit or a lot apart from the spot it spawned usually? And kill like that some people?
    no
    6. Luring trough Doors? If its possible for venos why not use it?
    not sure, but I'd guess yes
    7. Will the character get banned if it wears a name like: HelpYouFor$ ?
    no
    Edit 8: What about pick up drops someone lost couse got killed from a mob or player or dropped per accident and not give it back to him?
    no
    Edit 9: What about stealing drops as a "bank" in TTs? Or stealing Molds in a fb (just dont give it to tabber)?
    no, that's just impolite.
    b:bye
  • Posts: 603 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    mobs cant get banned when they run into walls to avoid you, specialy in FB59


    Yes, this right here always gets me. It's bannable for players do do such a thign because it is "Not intended to be done" yet mobs can do it as much as they want. So then, these mobs should be banned as well for doing something that was "not intended to be done"
    Bottom line: if mobs are programmed to get to you through walls, then there should be no reason you cannot defend yourself the same way. Now, luring Qingzi through the door in Deception is a different matter entirely.

    Also, the wall glitch people are referring to, from what I ahve come to understand, involves running through a certain area of the wall in a certain lower lvl fb, that allows for a quick path to the exit of the dungeon. I would not advise using such a thing, as not only is it *technically* bannabe if you are caught, but I have heard the game will make a system announcement to the server that you are cheating and to report you if you step into/out of certain boundaries(I hear this happens if you try to enter the GM lounge in one of the TT's)

    Honestly, the only rules I really find to be pathetic are the rule against multiclienting(which is even more stupid considering that "multiboxing" is perfectly fine) and giving your horribly feminine male tideborn facial hair. Funny too, as both of these "bannable offenses" are actually perfectly legal in PW-CN.
  • Posts: 132 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    2. What about offering too high prices for stuff in catshops?

    If u mean the trick that some people use to set a cat shop buying a common item for a higher price and selling that same item for a lower price - but still high price - (example : set a shop selling a red jade for 50k each, and buying same red jade for 100k - when noob buys it and they try to sell it back to you, they cant cause bug wont let them and ur shop just stole his 50k) yes, its bannable. i ve got a friend who got caught doing this and got one month ban.

    Luring through walls - we got a gm warning once in a fb 29 but that was like in 2008. nowadays everyone lures tt 3-3 bosses and others thorught walls. Guess they would only ban u if some SS.
  • Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    If you have to ask if it's bannable then it probably is.

    But the GM's are very lax on enforcing the rules and if caught normally only results in a slap on the wrist. ( know a few names that have been perma banned 4 or more times lol )
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  • Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    A venomancer luring seems like taking advantage of a glitch in the game.

    Also earthflame

    Kind of hard for you to judge what is a "glitch" and what is left in the game on purpose.

    For example using expel on your enemies... they fixed that "glitch" i guess.

    How about dueling each other when you fight a boss that sleeps? omg taking advantage of glitches.
    Yes, technically it's bannable, as you're exploiting the game mechanics to gain an unfair advantage.




    Good luck drawing the line between using the best strategies the games affords, and exploiting game mechanics lol.

    Some more examples, catabarbs hiding in catapults, using all class pets to obfuscate targeting. Switching weapons while channeling, to gain cast effect but not fulling casting.

    I think people who got multiple anni blessings are

    exploiting the game mechanics to gain an unfair advantage!
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