5aps with Vanities or 2.86 aps woth R8 Daggers?

NoXide_ - Heavens Tear
NoXide_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 215 Arc User
edited February 2011 in Assassin
hey guys and girls i was wondering which would do more damage..

5aps with FF gold Fists or 2.86 aps with R8 Daggers.

i could Restat to 5aps HA build for more damage for fists but would it do more damage than being full dex with 2.86 aps with R8 daggers?
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  • Wisting - Dreamweaver
    Wisting - Dreamweaver Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    well i was 5 aps with deicides, but with min STR. 2,86 rank8 was clearly better in that case.
    but with max STR damage output is maybe equal or rank8 is little bit better
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Have fun.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/
  • Foxxy_skai - Raging Tide
    Foxxy_skai - Raging Tide Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I had fun.

    Daggers

    Fists

    DPS of the two:

    1.) 22742-31065

    2.) 32800-33815

    So fists win in terms of DPS, but you'd have no skills you can use except spark.

    DPS with demon spark of both:

    1.) 68691-93832

    2.) 76500-78865

    Here Daggers win, with its average around 81.2k.

    Other things to take note of is that with with the daggers setup you'll have a LOT more accuracy, evasion, and crit rate.


    TL;DR =

    Fist setup -
    Pros:
    Perma-spark
    Higher DPS non-sparked
    Much higher P Def
    Revenge with 5aps (chance to heal 5% and inc p att)

    Cons:
    Lower M def (not by much)
    Much lower accuracy
    Much lower evasion
    Much lower crit rate
    No skills to utilize (unless you use a lower dagger)

    Dagger setup -
    Pros:
    Much higher crit rate
    Skills to use whenever (with much higher spike damage as well)
    Perma-spark (with skills instead of just aps)
    Much higher DPS sparked
    Much higher evasion
    Much higher accuracy

    Cons:
    Much lower P def
    Average M def as well
    Lower DPS non-sparked
    Can't perma-spark on aps alone



    That is just my input. Hope it helps
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Foxxy_skai - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Stuff

    Well for one, you didn't add dagger mastery to the calulator; second you also only multiplied the base damage by APS and ignored the higher crit rate from dagger build; third 2.86 doesn't spark to 3.85. The calculator doesn't calcuate demon sparked APS correctly atm, and 2.86 sparks to 4 APS.

    The proper way to calculate average DPS is [(min + max)/2]*APS*[1+(crit%/100)].

    To calculate APS after demon spark:
    -take 1 and divided by current APS to find interval between attacks (1/2.86 = 0.35)
    -demon spark takes 25% off of your base interval, instead of a direct 25% APS increase (0.35*0.75= 0.2625)
    -round that to the nearest interval chart shown below (0.2625 is closer to 0.25 than to 0.3)
    -take 1 and divided by the rounded interval to find new APS after demon spark (1/0.25 =4)
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    -- The Attack Interval Chart --

    0.63 attacks / sec (1.60 secs / attack) Crossbow
    0.65 attacks / sec (1.55 secs / attack) ☆Hurricane Spray, ☆Returning Squall
    0.67 attacks / sec (1.50 secs / attack) Bow, ☆Windcatcher, ☆Punishing Thunder
    0.69 attacks / sec (1.45 secs / attack) ☆Crimson Horn: Soulsmasher
    0.71 attacks / sec (1.40 secs / attack) Slingshot, ☆Heaven Shatterer, ☆☆Bow of the Demonhunter
    0.74 attacks / sec (1.35 secs / attack) ☆Sinister Shooter
    0.77 attacks / sec (1.30 secs / attack) ☆Wind and the Clouds
    0.80 attacks / sec (1.25 secs / attack)
    0.83 attacks / sec (1.20 secs / attack) Dual Hammers, Dual Axes
    0.87 attacks / sec (1.15 secs / attack)
    0.91 attacks / sec (1.10 secs / attack) Dual Swords, Dual Blades, Polehammer, Poleaxe
    0.95 attacks / sec (1.05 secs / attack)
    1.00 attacks / sec (1.00 secs / attack) Poleblade, Club, Pike
    1.05 attacks / sec (0.95 secs / attack)
    1.11 attacks / sec (0.90 secs / attack) Sword, Blade
    1.18 attacks / sec (0.85 secs / attack)
    1.25 attacks / sec (0.80 secs / attack) Dagger
    1.33 attacks / sec (0.75 secs / attack)
    1.43 attacks / sec (0.70 secs / attack) Fist (weapon), Claw
    1.54 attacks / sec (0.65 secs / attack)
    1.67 attacks / sec (0.60 secs / attack)
    1.82 attacks / sec (0.55 secs / attack)
    2.00 attacks / sec (0.50 secs / attack)
    2.22 attacks / sec (0.45 secs / attack)
    2.50 attacks / sec (0.40 secs / attack)
    2.86 attacks / sec (0.35 secs / attack)
    3.33 attacks / sec (0.30 secs / attack)
    4.00 attacks / sec (0.25 secs / attack)
    5.00 attacks / sec (0.20 secs / attack) Maximum Attack Speed / Minimum Attack Interval
  • JebakLesny - Dreamweaver
    JebakLesny - Dreamweaver Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Rank 8 daggers
    last night was in FB99 with 5,0 aps archer. he got +7 deicide. total dmg on it is half on +3 R8

    daggers + 60% extra dmg from sin skils (90% sage) so im wondering
    deicide=less dmg(no Dagger Devotion), no extra dmg from skils, no skils- only 5,0 aps
    R8 = more dmg(2x, + Dagger Devotion), more crit, more accuracy, more evasion, so u dont need to be 5,0 aps to kill faster. even when that archer start before me killing mob i ended faster.
    oh n 1 thing its easy to make +3 wep than +7, easy=cheaper
    i dont remember how much i payed for R8 but buy deicide on DW is about 60m n make them to +7 is even more so i'll never get 5,0 but even that i'll kil faster than some pplb:victory
  • Foxxy_skai - Raging Tide
    Foxxy_skai - Raging Tide Posts: 102 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Okeano. You blew my mind.

    Will start recalculating.. I had a feeling I wasn't doing it right.
  • nvrmore
    nvrmore Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    My Sin has R8 Daggers +3 2 Flawless and 2.22 aps . I Stole agro from a 5.0 BM with TT100 Fist +10 Don't rember shards.
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    either the boss random agroed, you got hit by an aoe, or the BM who has the +10 tt100 wast wearing them.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Dark_Creed - Heavens Tear
    Dark_Creed - Heavens Tear Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    r8 daggers is so much better cause u can get 4 aps sparked and the damage is way better compared to fist/claws 5 aps sparked and with 4 aps you can basicaly perma spark and you have way more crit o and you can use your sin skills without having to switch weps
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Dark_Creed - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    r8 daggers is so much better cause u can get 4 aps sparked and the damage is way better compared to fist/claws 5 aps sparked and with 4 aps you can basicaly perma spark and you have way more crit o and you can use your sin skills without having to switch weps

    Yeah, except he doesn't have full interval. He's asking about the DPS comparison regarding to his current gears.
  • kuraury
    kuraury Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    b:pleased Why do not you take 100 lvl fists? They have more damage and attack speed

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