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    Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited February 2011 in Barbarian
    HI,

    I've WC recently to know if my build was doing fine. Planning to be a vit/tank barb.

    Right now, as u see avatar, lvl 78, sporting (buffed and in Tiger) 12 070 hp

    I have NO TT gear on. (Could use that site Pwcalculator to prove it if needed)

    Stats have been calculated correctly, missing 45 str, 8 dex by lvl 90 to wear Star axes, so that leaves me 12 lvls , so 60 points left to put, which will be 45 str, 8 dex, 7 vit.

    Genie right now Zeal level 76 : 57/70 lucky points, alpha male 8, ToP 10, Tangling Mire 10, Solid Shield 10, str 54, des 32, vit 38, magic 34 (with a few orbs, mirror equiped), planning to get Absolute domain at lvl 80 if 60 luck points.

    Am I doing ok as a non-Cser barb ?

    Is my plan of going sage barb a good idea aven if I heard a lot of thing about going demon to hold better agro ?

    Thanks for ur insights b:bye

    Edit : Link to my equipement http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=27df90f2f053550c
    Post edited by L_y_n_x - Raging Tide on

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    • Posts: 4,001 Arc User
      edited February 2011
      My opinion on how you're doing as a vit barb is everything looks right on. Cape to Tauren's Chieftain for a bit more mdef. Mdef becomes important for the first half of FCC pulls but your large amount of hp should cover alot of that. For a vit barb, you're right on.

      My opinion as a high level barb is different. Adding everything to vitality and nothing to damage, spike damage, and accuracy mean you will lose aggro very easy. I don't consider the vit build the "tank" build because a level 60 sin can pull aggro from most 100+ vit barbs. I do like that you use calamities because sacrificial strike procs 30% of the time, basically giving you 30% higher crit rate that stacks with your existing crit rate. About a 33% increase in dmg for most barbs. That will help with aggro.

      Keep going with your build till level 88+. At that point you'll be trying to keep aggro from tripple sparking players and can reevaluate what you need for stat placement. Definitely reconsider sage vs demon. Demons get normal damage in tiger form, and better damage overall for better aggro control. Sage get 10% more hp in tiger form but have to stand up to DD. Hp doesn't matter alot when you never tank.

      Edit: On a personal note. I avoid squading sage barbs when possible. I don't go out of my way to avoid them but if the option comes down to squading a sage or demon barb, I pick the demon. Mean, but they have less use in a squad imo.
      Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
    • Posts: 166 Arc User
      edited February 2011
      Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
      My opinion on how you're doing as a vit barb is everything looks right on. Cape to Tauren's Chieftain for a bit more mdef.

      Definitely reconsider sage vs demon. Demons get normal damage in tiger form, and better damage overall for better aggro control. Sage get 10% more hp in tiger form but have to stand up to DD. Hp doesn't matter alot when you never tank.

      Edit: On a personal note. I avoid squading sage barbs when possible. I don't go out of my way to avoid them but if the option comes down to squading a sage or demon barb, I pick the demon. Mean, but they have less use in a squad imo.


      Very good insight there b:victory yeah trying to get Tauren at each bh69 I wine (well each day for pyro and do all 3 since wined) not the 5 mil yet to shoot out for a mold.

      Ur opinion is good, yeah will check into demon, true that if I go well over 20k hp and not put it to use, well it's just that..no use, lol.
    • Posts: 6,790 Arc User
      edited February 2011
      Don't pay 5mil for a tauran chieftain mold.


      I paid 4mil for mine, and that was like 7 months ago when it was in much higher demand, and it was already crafted with 4 sockets.
      [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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    • Posts: 464 Arc User
      edited February 2011
      Ya doin good but prolly wanna add more str.
      Im a 100 demon barb and have 17k hp and can keep aggro easier over a sage barb. Demon roar and demon ream are awesome for tankin, but either way itll be tough against them aps. Im glad I went demon over sage for the full attk in tiger and I plan to go full str too after my refines go up so itll be even better vs sage barbs.
      just my 411.
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    • Posts: 29 Arc User
      edited February 2011
      Genie right now Zeal level 76 : 57/70 lucky points, alpha male 8, ToP 10, Tangling Mire 10, Solid Shield 10, str 54, des 32, vit 38, magic 34 (with a few orbs, mirror equiped), planning to get Absolute domain at lvl 80 if 60 luck points.


      So far the lp with this genie is looking really good. Hopefully it stays going this good as you lvl it up. You do not need any magic with this genie. If you can restat and add the points into strength. Also, restat the dex. Make this a strength based genie. You will really like how the added strength affect the genie skills since most of the skills you have are strength based. One skill I carry is true emptiness . With a lvl 100 genie that has 100 strength I've seen this skill hit for 60k. Awesome against LA and AA in pvp. The more strength added will really help with tangling mire also. Use this skill when a BM uses DG and watch the hp of the boss drop like melted butter.

      If you can, stick with strength based skills. Most of the skills for you are strength based anyways so make them really strong skills .
    • Posts: 469 Arc User
      edited February 2011
      Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
      For a vit barb, you're right on.
      b:victory
      It's a game and I'm proud to be a stupid fail demon barb!
      My EPIC Fail Demon Barb has 40k/48k HP and my stat points are as follows:
      VIT 552 STR 310 DEX 60! b:surrender
    • Posts: 166 Arc User
      edited February 2011
      rottsx2 wrote: »

      So far the lp with this genie is looking really good. Hopefully it stays going this good as you lvl it up. You do not need any magic with this genie. If you can restat and add the points into strength. Also, restat the dex. Make this a strength based genie. You will really like how the added strength affect the genie skills since most of the skills you have are strength based. One skill I carry is true emptiness . With a lvl 100 genie that has 100 strength I've seen this skill hit for 60k. Awesome against LA and AA in pvp. The more strength added will really help with tangling mire also. Use this skill when a BM uses DG and watch the hp of the boss drop like melted butter.

      If you can, stick with strength based skills. Most of the skills for you are strength based anyways so make them really strong skills .

      I see ur point. Genie has dex since a while ago (Had took extreme poison dunno why b:surrender and wanted to extend duration, also each 8 dex (If i recall) increases the % of recovery of ToP.. As for magic..well like I said I don't cash shop (much...just put 20$ to stock on 4 charms for when they go up and sold a few gold for coins). So i'm usually not charmed that often.. Had it planned for if I have to emergency use Alpha Male didn't take a eternity to refill for ToP (Both high costs).

      I do understand that by shaving 56 points from both magic and dex would give it 28 more str..Pretty interessting..

      I do have another question or 2 to make sure i'm going the right way..

      - As 5th skill on genie : True emptyness ? (which i always did like after all as can be cast at 1 energy left and still get shield effect) or I was told Absolute domain but cost seems to be quite high with already alpha male and ToP on it...Not the affinities required for cloud eruption else would probably take that...

      - Get Giant Ape axes at 80 or stick with my calamities till Star Axes at 90 ? (Pan Gu outta reach a tad..)

      Thanks again for all the help b:victory

      P.S. I haden't specified it, in case it helps : I don't PvP, don't plan to TW either, i'm here to have fun tanking, keeping my squad safe (well sometimes just my wife cleric same level as me, we duoed bh59, all 5 bosses wined, just took a while, lol) and ripping mobs to shreads in the process :)
    • Posts: 29 Arc User
      edited February 2011
      - As 5th skill on genie : True emptyness ? (which i always did like after all as can be cast at 1 energy left and still get shield effect) or I was told Absolute domain but cost seems to be quite high with already alpha male and ToP on it...Not the affinities required for cloud eruption else would probably take that...

      True emptiness is a skill that causes triple damage in the air. With a high strengthgenie it's hits are deadly. It's great in pve or pvp. I use it on harpys in fc but really like it in pvp where it just 1 shots so many ppl . It seems like you want a more defensive genie than offensive. If so, go with absolute domain. You can always make another genie for offensive skills. I carry 3 genies now.

      Giant ape axes are good. I know u said pan gu giant axe out, but if u can get that you will really like it when you are tanking. If not, star axes are nice . What after that are your plans?

      I also said I would not TW but I did and enjoyed the 5 minutes our TW lasted. I didn't really pvp but have gotten into that a lot more as well. So you might not yet but if you join a big active faction you will have a lot of fun and meet some good players who will help you become better as well.
    • Posts: 0 Arc User
      edited February 2011
      I don't consider the vit build the "tank" build because a level 60 sin can pull aggro from most 100+ vit barbs. for most barbs. That will help with aggro.

      Oh really?? Don't make me lough. About "the vit build - not tank build? Thanks, i haven't laughed so much. And about sins, lol. If you can't play a barb, don't say that vit barb is suck.
      Edit: On a personal note. I avoid squading sage barbs when possible. I don't go out of my way to avoid them but if the option comes down to squading a sage or demon barb, I pick the demon. Mean, but they have less use in a squad imo.

      On a personal note. I avoid such people as you in my squad. I'm sage barb and i don't think that i can hold aggro worse then demon. If i were you author, i wouldn't listen this man at all. I'm a sage, vit-build barb. And i don't agree with this man. I don't have 99 axes yet and sage flesh ream, but all the same many people sad me that i'm really good, they always sad that... what means, the problem is only with player, not with the build/class.
      The only problem is only with aps, that's all. Against aps will help only aps barb which is something creepy. Or reaaly well geared, which is really expansive.
      But as i sad before, aps may no rule in a future, and i have reason to thing in this way.
    • Posts: 1,624 Arc User
      edited February 2011
      my personal recommendation for a non-cash shop barb, especially one that sees relatively low income that can be put towards gear refines and shards - is to go demon. Sage barb in my opinion is pretty much good at one thing only... pulling a catapult. and in order to do that you need a massive HP pool to be effective against the r8/r9/nirvy +10 or more damage dealers (never mind 5.0 even). For a PvE barbarian demon build works well with modest +4 refines on armor/weapon (tt90/99) and immac/perfect citrines. as a vit axe demon barb with demon buffs i sit at 16k hp in tiger form and can do rebirth delta uncharmed, i can tank world bosses (and hold aggro consistently in the absence of an insanely OP damage dealer that just stays permasparked) with just 2 clerics stacking IHB. In nirvana runs if I just *cant* keep aggro off one of the 5.0 toons, I let them tank and Ill go towards using demon devour, then stand up and build chi with demon slam, and use demon onslaught to boost my crit rate up to 45%.

      sage barbarian doesn't seem as versatile in my opinion. granted they do get a higher damage per hit (base, standing) on the same stat/gear build than a demon barb does due to sage buffs and axe/hammer mastery - i think that in order to catch up/surpass a demon barb in terms of damage dealing capability they would need to be sage clawbarian and stack more -int than normal due to missing out on the -int bonus of demon spark, but I don't think they can actually achieve perma-spark unless proficient with timing of wind shield/bestial rage.
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