Tiger Attack for psy

AHTl - Heavens Tear
AHTl - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
edited February 2011 in Psychic
On bh today with my barb, i have a 100+ psy all r8 full of tiger attack +1 ...

On my own psy, R8 too, i m waiting to choose which gems to put on my 99 wrist and more money for Sapphire on my r8 weapon.

I'm not a god in math (my main is pure barb, no brain), what do u thinkto use tiger in wrist or in weapon may be too.

Sapphire is +75, and i think Tiger Attack is +1 %.

Can u help my poor brain to make choice please b:puzzled
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  • tehiro
    tehiro Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ask the archers, they would know.
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    on weapon:
    no, no, no DoT.
    some math (spirit blast):

    1.52*1.2*[3000+(WD+X)+(WD+X)*(1+mag/100)] =

    5472 + 1.824*(WD+X)*(2+mag/100)


    1.53*1.2*[3000+WD+WD*(1+mag/100)]=

    5508 + 1.836*WD*(2+mag/100)

    diff:
    Shard - DOT =
    -36 + (2+mag/100)*(1.824*WD + 1.824*X -1.836WD) =
    -36 + (2+mag/100)*(-0.012*WD + 1.824*X)

    ur mag should be ~400, weapon dmg ~1861 (+5 sphere)

    so

    -36 + 6*(-22+1.824X) >0
    -22 +1.824X > 6
    1.824X > 28
    X > 15

    so yeah, put a sapphire. if u have to wait to get it, put a immac or a flawless; even that is better than a dot.

    now for armor.. depends. if u want more attack put dot
    if u want defense get citrine/garnet.
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    on weapon:
    no, no, no DoT.
    some math (spirit blast):

    1.52*1.2*[3000+(WD+X)+(WD+X)*(1+mag/100)] =

    5472 + 1.824*(WD+X)*(2+mag/100)


    1.53*1.2*[3000+WD+WD*(1+mag/100)]=

    5508 + 1.836*WD*(2+mag/100)

    diff:
    Shard - DOT =
    -36 + (2+mag/100)*(1.824*WD + 1.824*X -1.836WD) =
    -36 + (2+mag/100)*(-0.012*WD + 1.824*X)

    ur mag should be ~400, weapon dmg ~1861 (+5 sphere)

    so

    -36 + 6*(-22+1.824X) >0
    -22 +1.824X > 6
    1.824X > 28
    X > 15

    so yeah, put a sapphire. if u have to wait to get it, put a immac or a flawless; even that is better than a dot.

    now for armor.. depends. if u want more attack put dot
    if u want defense get citrine/garnet.

    TLDR: Put DoTs if you want to be laughed at on a real server. Even then people still put DoTs in their weapon.
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    TLDR: Put DoTs if you want to be laughed at on a real server. Even then people still put DoTs in their weapon.

    hey it's better than -chan stones or amethysts :b
  • AHTl - Heavens Tear
    AHTl - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Thx Professors for these informations.

    I keep Sapphire in mind for weapon, may be DOT on wrist ;)
  • DemansPsy - Lost City
    DemansPsy - Lost City Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    now for armor.. depends. if u want more attack put dot
    if u want defense get citrine/JoSD.

    fixed

    srsly putting garnet gems in armor is...*facepalm* great u take like 10%(Maybe?) less damge from phy attacks, have like 2k less hp and get 1 shoted by magic classes if ur amror isnt greatly refined....

    and if ur wonderin, my opinion is base on experience, fight a wiz and cleric both lv 100, r8 weps +4-5 armor, but full garnet shards....they die in 1-2 normal, non chi hits....
    full 3r9 +11/12 (still using immac shards though) w/o CSing, leveled to 105 spaming pv, yes i have no life =D
  • XxKarleyxx - Lost City
    XxKarleyxx - Lost City Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    DemansPsy - Lost City wrote: »
    fixed

    srsly putting garnet gems in armor is...*facepalm* great u take like 10%(Maybe?) less damge from phy attacks, have like 2k less hp and get 1 shoted by magic classes if ur amror isnt greatly refined....

    and if ur wonderin, my opinion is base on experience, fight a wiz and cleric both lv 100, r8 weps +4-5 armor, but full garnet shards....they die in 1-2 normal, non chi hits....

    I agree with this. Buts that's just my opinion too.

    This conversation reminds me of a Cleric I saw today with Rank 8 Weapon with 2x DoTs in it. I won't name the cleric b:surrender
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    DemansPsy - Lost City wrote: »
    fixed

    srsly putting garnet gems in armor is...*facepalm* great u take like 10%(Maybe?) less damge from phy attacks, have like 2k less hp and get 1 shoted by magic classes if ur amror isnt greatly refined....

    and if ur wonderin, my opinion is base on experience, fight a wiz and cleric both lv 100, r8 weps +4-5 armor, but full garnet shards....they die in 1-2 normal, non chi hits....

    they built their characters wrong...
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    DemansPsy - Lost City wrote: »
    fixed

    srsly putting garnet gems in armor is...*facepalm* great u take like 10%(Maybe?) less damge from phy attacks, have like 2k less hp and get 1 shoted by magic classes if ur amror isnt greatly refined....

    and if ur wonderin, my opinion is base on experience, fight a wiz and cleric both lv 100, r8 weps +4-5 armor, but full garnet shards....they die in 1-2 normal, non chi hits....

    disclaimer: i dot plan to shard garnets for my endgame build (well, maybe 2-4 depending on some gear)

    magic classes? wizzies have BT, venos nixes, clerics plume.
    psychics... in theory there is red tide and soulburn but not reliable


    while garnets are pointless against magic attacks, you really need at least 3.2k pdef.
    while you might avoid being an one-shot from a gush, you will be a half-shot by any archer.
    on the other hand, 3.2k is (easily) attainable without garnets

    i dont like JoSD for 2 reasons:
    1)pointless if u are in white.
    2)depending on your hp, sharding with vit/hp is usually better.
    3)too trendy for my taste b:chuckle

    how is the psy killing wiz/cleric with garnets related to this? we are talking about how the psy would survive.

    ofc there is psy will; but that's why you will wnat to avoid the oneshot form that archer 32m away. i wont bother with sins.

    all in all: what you shard is related to your base armor.
    if you are a one-shot by magic attacks with X-2k hp, you are still an one shot for physical attack with X hp
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    they built their characters wrong...

    you have mail b:avoid
  • DemansPsy - Lost City
    DemansPsy - Lost City Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    disclaimer: i dot plan to shard garnets for my endgame build (well, maybe 2-4 depending on some gear)

    magic classes? wizzies have BT, venos nixes, clerics plume.
    psychics... in theory there is red tide and soulburn but not reliable


    while garnets are pointless against magic attacks, you really need at least 3.2k pdef.
    while you might avoid being an one-shot from a gush, you will be a half-shot by any archer.
    on the other hand, 3.2k is (easily) attainable without garnets

    i dont like JoSD for 2 reasons:
    1)pointless if u are in white.
    2)depending on your hp, sharding with vit/hp is usually better.
    3)too trendy for my taste b:chuckle

    Your kinda provin my point, yes phy attacks hurt, thats eitheir Citrine is better because it helps vs BOTH magic and phy attacks, the more hp you have the harder you are to one shot, especially when you keep retation on, or if you already have a lot of hp due to refines, JOSD, yes they r useless in white voodoo for PVE however, you can either be black voodoo w/ white voodoo def lv then OR be white voodoo and make all the att lv gained by other player's r9 gear go away.
    IMO shardin garnet pointless, but to who ever thinks its a good idea, well w/e, just helps me sell garnet shards faster b:pleased
    full 3r9 +11/12 (still using immac shards though) w/o CSing, leveled to 105 spaming pv, yes i have no life =D
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    DemansPsy - Lost City wrote: »
    Your kinda provin my point, yes phy attacks hurt, thats eitheir Citrine is better because it helps vs BOTH magic and phy attacks, the more hp you have the harder you are to one shot, especially when you keep retation on, or if you already have a lot of hp due to refines, JOSD, yes they r useless in white voodoo for PVE however, you can either be black voodoo w/ white voodoo def lv then OR be white voodoo and make all the att lv gained by other player's r9 gear go away.
    IMO shardin garnet pointless, but to who ever thinks its a good idea, well w/e, just helps me sell garnet shards faster b:pleased

    i think that we are missing yulk or something like that so we argue while we support pretty much the same thing xd

    full garnet sharding with pdef over 3.2k...no ty
    a bit of garnets to reach 3-3.2k is ok

    but i would focus on pdef ornament refining or lunar rings
    besides, pdef charms are cheaper than mdef and u can use expel more times than AD (stupid 3mi cd qq). and psy will ofc.

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