What Are The Difference Between A Demon Psy and A Sage Psy

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  • Hypnos - Raging Tide
    Hypnos - Raging Tide Posts: 1,235 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    no way D=

    I only know one from my time of playing went demon, and that's Gonja.
    How did the situation grow worse? D=
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Xalticus - Raging Tide
    Xalticus - Raging Tide Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    On RT depending on how much coin you have, Demon might be the better choice, as from watching the Auction House so far Demon Psy skill books tend to be MUCH cheaper than Sage Psy skill books.

    I'm a Sage Psy myself with not so much in the way of coinage, so I've only been able to get Landslide & Torrent, I do like the added range on Landslide as well as the added damage for both.

    The choice ultimately comes down to which suits your plays style best, Sage for Survivability, Demon for Damage.
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Myujishan - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Not on my server...

    Well your server is pretty much fish. And fails from other servers who wanted to change their identity or try to start anew. Mostly the former.
  • Lez - Raging Tide
    Lez - Raging Tide Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Myujishan - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Not on my server...

    On wich server are you playing? 90% Demon Psys? well maybe is cuz you are lvl 63

    cuz on Raging tides there is like 60% - 70% Sage psys

    and yes noobs started saying that demon books are cheaper and some are becoming Demon because of that...

    but if we got...
    more sage psys = more sage books on AH = lower price on books
    Hypnos - Raging Tide wrote: »
    no way D=

    I only know one from my time of playing went demon, and that's Gonja.
    How did the situation grow worse? D=

    Gonja doesnt play anymore, he just logs in to troll once in a while b:chuckle
  • Myujishan - Raging Tide
    Myujishan - Raging Tide Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Lez - Raging Tide wrote: »
    On wich server are you playing? 90% Demon Psys? well maybe is cuz you are lvl 63

    cuz on Raging tides there is like 60% - 70% Sage psys

    and yes noobs started saying that demon books are cheaper and some are becoming Demon because of that...

    That probably does have something to do with it...
    I am a proud member of the glorious tideborn master race.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • threepointone
    threepointone Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    sure, for a wiz or cleric. psys dont need -chan
    super long channeling skills like what? the 2sec bubble or soulburn?
    if it was in black it would be ok but still not great

    I think s/he was being sarcastic.
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    threepointone wrote: »
    I think s/he was being sarcastic.

    yeah, s/he said that a few posts later...
    but when you see psys with -chan stones in the weapons, psys with love:up+down "so I can hit faster" you loose some ability to detect sarcasm b:avoid
  • threepointone
    threepointone Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yeah, s/he said that a few posts later...
    but when you see psys with -chan stones in the weapons, psys with love:up+down "so I can hit faster" you loose some ability to detect sarcasm b:avoid

    SS please, people cannot be that stupid.











    Nvm, yes they can.
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    threepointone wrote: »
    SS please, people cannot be that stupid.











    Nvm, yes they can.


    http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/50/failpsy.jpg

    http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6528/omgut.jpg

    enjoy
  • threepointone
    threepointone Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/50/failpsy.jpg

    http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6528/omgut.jpg

    enjoy

    They can hit faster, they can.
  • Tulipano - Archosaur
    Tulipano - Archosaur Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/50/failpsy.jpg

    http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6528/omgut.jpg

    enjoy

    omg what a waste of weaps... b:chuckle
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Tulipano - Archosaur wrote: »
    omg what a waste of weaps... b:chuckle

    what a waste of shards for the -chan actually...it's more expensive than the weapon itself lol xd
    btw that psy had a fc sphere with 2x -3%chan stones... fail cashopper is fail? XD
  • Tulipano - Archosaur
    Tulipano - Archosaur Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    what a waste of shards for the -chan actually...it's more expensive than the weapon itself lol xd
    btw that psy had a fc sphere with 2x -3%chan stones... fail cashopper is fail? XD

    well, you know for us wizzies we would love those -chan shards, but I'm in the fishies forum, so I had to talk about the weaps xD

    Is what I said many times... FCs, hypers and BHs made noobs get 100s without even knowing their class. It's a pity

    good ol' times... :(
  • LittIewg - Heavens Tear
    LittIewg - Heavens Tear Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/50/failpsy.jpg

    http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6528/omgut.jpg

    enjoy

    ^ Hahahahaha. I Laughed so hard when I saw the channel shard I hurt my stomach ;/
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/50/failpsy.jpg

    http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6528/omgut.jpg

    enjoy

    the second one;
    oh...my gosh...

    I just..I...he....soulphere....phys earth damage...

    /epic facedesk
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Demon for me because:
    -Aqua Impact an amazing TW skill to use on a cata barb
    -demon black voodoo reduces defense by 3% making it cheaper/easier to make the -def level even out
    -soul of vengence reflects more damage meaning higher soulforce is rewarded
    -duration reduced on DoTs making them tick for more damage
    -landslide crit
    -Aqua Cannon bonus DoT
    -diminshed vigor making reducing the effect of heals
    -empowered vigor increasing the effect of heals
    -glacial shards 75% freeze
    -sandburst 20% debuff
    -disturb soul 100% channel increase
    -psy will chance to cost no spark
    -earth vector range increase
    -tide spirit crit increase
    -red tide bleed increased to 1.2x soulforce

    demon is pretty hot
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Demon for me because:
    -Aqua Impact an amazing TW skill to use on a cata barb
    personally i would like to have the sage chi counterpart; i starve for chi during TW
    -demon black voodoo reduces defense by 3% making it cheaper/easier to make the -def level even out
    true. 3 def lvl > 3 attack lvl. on the other hand, white voodoo is lame xd
    -soul of vengence reflects more damage meaning higher soulforce is rewarded
    on the other hand, u actually get to buff barbs with the sage version xd
    -duration reduced on DoTs making them tick for more damage
    -landslide crit
    drools
    -Aqua Cannon bonus DoT
    freeze is yummy
    -diminshed vigor making reducing the effect of heals
    -empowered vigor increasing the effect of heals
    sage plays with the charm
    -glacial shards 75% freeze
    drools
    -sandburst 20% debuff
    drools
    -disturb soul 100% channel increase
    80% is ok-ish
    -psy will chance to cost no spark
    2sec more is better
    -earth vector range increase
    this saves the sparks taht psy will got
    -tide spirit crit increase
    drools
    -red tide bleed increased to 1.2x soulforce

    demon is pretty hot

    sage bubble: basically a second psy will with expel. and clerics go --->b:dirty

    welcome back miz ^_^
  • DemansPsy - Lost City
    DemansPsy - Lost City Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    sage bubble: basically a second psy will with expel

    o god yes b:dirty but then expel lags goin off and u end up bblin first -_-" sucks when ur mass grindin phy AND magic mobs b:angry 9 secs i cant do s... while i get piled on by magic users and gotta waste a spark on will as soon as i can QQ
    full 3r9 +11/12 (still using immac shards though) w/o CSing, leveled to 105 spaming pv, yes i have no life =D
  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    sage bubble: basically a second psy will with expel. and clerics go --->b:dirty

    welcome back miz ^_^

    The number one reason to go Sage. Hands down.
    I <3 AGOREY
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    DemansPsy - Lost City wrote: »
    o god yes b:dirty but then expel lags goin off and u end up bblin first -_-" sucks when ur mass grindin phy AND magic mobs b:angry 9 secs i cant do s... while i get piled on by magic users and gotta waste a spark on will as soon as i can QQ

    yeah, if u miss the sync it sucks xd

    where do u grind magic+physical mobs o-o... are u grinding dancing sparkle or something?
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Demon for me because:
    -Aqua Impact an amazing TW skill to use on a cata barb
    -demon black voodoo reduces defense by 3% making it cheaper/easier to make the -def level even out
    -soul of vengence reflects more damage meaning higher soulforce is rewarded
    -duration reduced on DoTs making them tick for more damage
    -landslide crit
    -Aqua Cannon bonus DoT
    -diminshed vigor making reducing the effect of heals
    -empowered vigor increasing the effect of heals
    -glacial shards 75% freeze
    -sandburst 20% debuff
    -disturb soul 100% channel increase
    -psy will chance to cost no spark
    -earth vector range increase
    -tide spirit crit increase
    -red tide bleed increased to 1.2x soulforce

    demon is pretty hot

    You forget increased chance for soul of seal proc-ing. But I mean, you'd probably find yourself using glacial shards/earth vector/crystal light on cata barbs more than spamming aqua impact on barbs. Although it IS nice since it slows + has a chance for chi drain. I mean if you wanted to spam a chi drain you have Mo Zun's also.

    And I've never used disturb soul on anyone other than guild members for fun. I'd much rather earth vector or soulburn a wiz rather than making him channel slower. Unless the wiz won't die anyway.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    You forget increased chance for soul of seal proc-ing. But I mean, you'd probably find yourself using glacial shards/earth vector/crystal light on cata barbs more than spamming aqua impact on barbs. Although it IS nice since it slows + has a chance for chi drain. I mean if you wanted to spam a chi drain you have Mo Zun's also.

    And I've never used disturb soul on anyone other than guild members for fun. I'd much rather earth vector or soulburn a wiz rather than making him channel slower. Unless the wiz won't die anyway.
    Oh yea I forgot the SoS oops.

    Yea, from a TW standpoint you could throw aqua impact into the mix. Whats the point of spamming glacial shards/etc when the barb turtles...prevent him from turtling then take him out.

    I also play psychic as a staller. Incapacitate you then when you are weak finish you off. >:D
    That is where the disturb soul comes in. Having a class take twice the time to channel their basic spells <3.

    It also would help in support situations.
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    sage bubble: basically a second psy will with expel. and clerics go --->b:dirty

    welcome back miz ^_^

    ty
    Demon for me because:
    -Aqua Impact an amazing TW skill to use on a cata barb
    personally i would like to have the sage chi counterpart; i starve for chi during TW
    ~I don't have chi problems
    -demon black voodoo reduces defense by 3% making it cheaper/easier to make the -def level even out
    true. 3 def lvl > 3 attack lvl. on the other hand, white voodoo is lame xd
    ~I don't remember talking about white voodoo
    -soul of vengence reflects more damage meaning higher soulforce is rewarded
    on the other hand, u actually get to buff barbs with the sage version xd
    who cares about the barb? If they don't want a stronger reflect because then **** them.
    -duration reduced on DoTs making them tick for more damage
    -landslide crit
    drools
    -Aqua Cannon bonus DoT
    freeze is yummy
    bonus damage is better. Why would you use this to freeze instead of glacial shards? Hey lets run into the middle of all the melees to freeze them! No thanks. I use this skill for damage only.
    -diminshed vigor making reducing the effect of heals
    -empowered vigor increasing the effect of heals
    sage plays with the charm
    In TW situation, its the healers that are more of a problem. A charmed barb will die without heals...an uncharmed barb without heals probably won't die unless you gank him...and it probably takes a lot more people to out DD cleric heals than a charm.
    -glacial shards 75% freeze
    drools
    -sandburst 20% debuff
    drools
    -disturb soul 100% channel increase
    80% is ok-ish
    keyword: ish
    -psy will chance to cost no spark
    2sec more is better
    saving spark is better. I thought you had chi problems?
    -earth vector range increase
    this saves the sparks taht psy will got
    stunning more > saving a spark.
    -tide spirit crit increase
    drools
    -red tide bleed increased to 1.2x soulforce

    demon is pretty hot
    b:cuteFun fights my little one shotb:kiss
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    well, glacial shards, oops didnt work, aqua cannon. but it had delta in mind.

    about the white vooodoo: if mine gave -3%chan instead of 5 def lvl i wouldnt want to talk about it either b:avoid

    earth vector saves more sparks than psy will


    meh meh. we shall meet again :b
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Oh yea I forgot the SoS oops.

    Yea, from a TW standpoint you could throw aqua impact into the mix. Whats the point of spamming glacial shards/etc when the barb turtles...prevent him from turtling then take him out.

    I also play psychic as a staller. Incapacitate you then when you are weak finish you off. >:D
    That is where the disturb soul comes in. Having a class take twice the time to channel their basic spells <3.

    It also would help in support situations.


    ty


    b:cuteFun fights my little one shotb:kiss

    Saving 0.2 spark on average for psy will < 2 sec duration increase. The increased range of earth vector would be nice and all, but saving 0.5 spark on average per cast is good also. I love that sages psys have the bigger aoe range at 10m with sage sandburst blast.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    well, glacial shards, oops didnt work, aqua cannon. but it had delta in mind.

    about the white vooodoo: if mine gave -3%chan instead of 5 def lvl i wouldnt want to talk about it either b:avoid

    earth vector saves more sparks than psy will


    meh meh. we shall meet again :b
    ewww delta, if you are demon your glacial shards have 75% chance to freeze which is 3/4 of the time soo :3

    yea still the white voodoo comment under black voodoo was completely random

    true

    when I remember to get my jolly jones blessing right?
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    Saving 0.2 spark on average for psy will < 2 sec duration increase. The increased range of earth vector would be nice and all, but saving 0.5 spark on average per cast is good also. I love that sages psys have the bigger aoe range at 10m with sage sandburst blast.

    Considering psys don't have an undine strike, i think the debuff would help out a lot more. There are a lack of earth resistance debuffs and having one in your arsenal is great. The fact its an attack that is pretty quick and hits pretty hard is even better.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • threepointone
    threepointone Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    A charmed barb will die without heals...an uncharmed barb without heals probably won't die unless you gank him

    A charmed Barb will die without heals... okay, I get that.

    An uncharmed Barb WITHOUT heals probably won't die unless you gank him...

    So killing a charmed Barb is easier than killing one without one?

    T-T
  • MageFizban - Lost City
    MageFizban - Lost City Posts: 1,158 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    threepointone wrote: »
    A charmed Barb will die without heals... okay, I get that.

    An uncharmed Barb WITHOUT heals probably won't die unless you gank him...

    So killing a charmed Barb is easier than killing one without one?

    T-T

    Yeah, uncharmed barbs invoke and immune pot more b:chuckle

    @Miz
    Anyway, why the hell would you be attacking the barb through heals? Kill/incapacitate the clerics first. Can't TW like a wiz and try to solo an entire cata squad like I used to love doing b:cry

    Back when you could count all the r8 players on your fingers.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    threepointone wrote: »
    A charmed Barb will die without heals... okay, I get that.

    An uncharmed Barb WITHOUT heals probably won't die unless you gank him...

    So killing a charmed Barb is easier than killing one without one?

    T-T
    oops typo. I meant an uncharmed barb with heals xd
    MageFizban - Lost City wrote: »
    Yeah, uncharmed barbs invoke and immune pot more b:chuckle

    @Miz
    Anyway, why the hell would you be attacking the barb through heals? Kill/incapacitate the clerics first. Can't TW like a wiz and try to solo an entire cata squad like I used to love doing b:cry

    Back when you could count all the r8 players on your fingers.
    because spamming your puny psychic spells on a decently geared priest isn't much fun. Leave it to teh archers D:

    And the fact playing TW as a wiz threw it into my head b:surrender
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    meh, soulburn the cleric and pew pew the barb xd
    well, u can say that maybe the cleric has crazy pdef; but u could have crazy soulforce b:avoid


    pif miz qq

    and yeah, the debuff is nice...but 20% chance?b:cry
  • DemansPsy - Lost City
    DemansPsy - Lost City Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yeah, if u miss the sync it sucks xd

    where do u grind magic+physical mobs o-o... are u grinding dancing sparkle or something?


    grindin 3rd map for cards, preaty sure you know which mobs im talkin about...(and not bewitched doll)
    full 3r9 +11/12 (still using immac shards though) w/o CSing, leveled to 105 spaming pv, yes i have no life =D

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