2 New Ppl Making Barb Dont Make Them Pwi Hate Barbs

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  • fuzzywuzz
    fuzzywuzz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Nowadays, barbs are only used 90+ for pulls and mob bosses that do insane dmg like Wb and metal.

    This is a myth....


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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    If you don't like the class then reroll, it's that simple. Hypers and FC can get you to 100 ridiculously fast. Buy an account stash and reroll a BM, now you already have a lot of your gear ready.


    Those of us who can still manage with a barb will be glad to pick up some of the slack.
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  • _Ghoul_ - Lost City
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City Posts: 973 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    maybe fuzzy its cos many barb and player wana hear u say devs in china will look into our fleash ream agro skill.

    again i dont wana hear claw as a option.

    and 2 tell new ppl i meet 2 make a barb cos he is great tank is in my head just delusional
    when aps is the tank not the barb.

    sure i would and might look for only traditional classes 2 run things with tho ppl will spamm a lot of sht 2 me cos i dont take aps players in those partys.

    so like wcing like this; LOOKING FOR TRADITIONAL PLAYERS 2 DO FCC NV.

    what do u guys think b:pleased
  • Woxai - Heavens Tear
    Woxai - Heavens Tear Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Barbs are useful, and I love my fuzzy hubby, besides, the tiger animations are gorgous, and Fuzzy, is right. 100%
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  • Vorgen - Sanctuary
    Vorgen - Sanctuary Posts: 276 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    _UrNightMare - Harshlands wrote: »
    u dont need barb for bh 3-3 , frost can be tanked by bms blademaster+bp=gg ya gv u r right but i guess u own everyone in pvp cause barb is the best op dd or wait why u need a aps char for nirvana when u can get a barb and make 2h nirvana?about gv just wait for other crazy pwi sale like rep or d orbs and bm will tank them then u will be officialy useless

    Well statistically...Your wrong.

    I have proven that. 1 Barb 1 veno a cleric and 3 5.0 aps. Can make that Nirvana run in 30 mins or less. Ppl have forgotten that barb Devour is an incredible debuff. The fact that i am Demon barb makes it more so. Not to say my sage brethren dont have there uses as well. I dont have to tank in Nirvana my debuff skills still rock. Yes. Lately we haven't gotten much fun tanking but we need to learn to take on new roles in this game. And we still prove our worth day after day.


    So kindly.....st.fu my friendb:chuckle
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Vorgen - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well statistically...Your wrong.

    I have proven that. 1 Barb 1 veno a cleric and 3 5.0 aps. Can make that Nirvana run in 30 mins or less. Ppl have forgotten that barb Devour is an incredible debuff. The fact that i am Demon barb makes it more so. Not to say my sage brethren dont have there uses as well. I dont have to tank in Nirvana my debuff skills still rock. Yes. Lately we haven't gotten much fun tanking but we need to learn to take on new roles in this game. And we still prove our worth day after day.

    Yea, this is the usual defense for Barbs with the argument that Barbs are useless at 100+, and I agree with this too.

    Barbs can go in and play as a mega debuffer, have like a str-based genie to make Tangling Mire even more powerful., and probably even throw in Extreme Poison. 5.0 APS becomes really OP when you debuff everything out of the bosses.

    Penetrate Armor just doesn't cut it for me now. lol
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Vorgen - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well statistically...Your wrong.

    I have proven that. 1 Barb 1 veno a cleric and 3 5.0 aps. Can make that Nirvana run in 30 mins or less. Ppl have forgotten that barb Devour is an incredible debuff. The fact that i am Demon barb makes it more so. Not to say my sage brethren dont have there uses as well. I dont have to tank in Nirvana my debuff skills still rock. Yes. Lately we haven't gotten much fun tanking but we need to learn to take on new roles in this game. And we still prove our worth day after day.


    So kindly.....st.fu my friendb:chuckle
    30 minute nirvana run isn't much to brag about, I've been on 9 minute nirvana runs, and seen ones lasting 5 minutes.
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  • Freizer - Lost City
    Freizer - Lost City Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    30 minute nirvana run isn't much to brag about, I've been on 9 minute nirvana runs, and seen ones lasting 5 minutes.

    30 minutes is more than fast enough for most of us, that's not the "point" of his post. He's just saying that it is possible to run a faster than average NV while being a normal barb. Obviously when you start talking complete 5aps squads, the number goes down, but for those of us not up in the 5 APS cloud, 30minutes is a perfectly reasonable time frame.
    FuzzyWuzz wrote: »
    This is a myth....


    How often does Fuzzy need to scream to the heavens to dispel it?
    couple more times fuzzy, i'm hard of hearing
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  • Redmenace - Heavens Tear
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear Posts: 908 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    _UrNightMare - Harshlands wrote: »
    u dont need barb for bh 3-3 , frost can be tanked by bms blademaster+bp=gg ya gv u r right but i guess u own everyone in pvp cause barb is the best op dd or wait why u need a aps char for nirvana when u can get a barb and make 2h nirvana?about gv just wait for other crazy pwi sale like rep or d orbs and bm will tank them then u will be officialy useless

    FOR THE LOVE OF GAWD, USE COMPLETE WORDS AND SENTENCES, YOU JUGHEAD!

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  • Cerviviza - Heavens Tear
    Cerviviza - Heavens Tear Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    All this QQ from the 100+ lvl barbs isn't setting a good example.

    Besides, there is no wrong way to play a barb ... just the way you play it. It's nice to see some barbs taking professional pride in what they do. if you don't like the way the game currently is you really have only 2 options: 1) learn to play in the new circumstances or 2) quit playing the class. I have a lvl 68 barb that I enjoy playing mostly in humanoid form because I find its FUN. I don't mind when people remind me that as a tank I should suck up the damage and maintain aggro and not worry about dealing damage. I get reminded to go to tiger form when tanking bosses.

    As far as APS go, things will change when the earthgaurd come in. The next big thing will be the skill chains. Just wait and see ... then all the 5APS will be QQ how they aren't needed any more.
  • Freizer - Lost City
    Freizer - Lost City Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    All this QQ from the 100+ lvl barbs isn't setting a good example.


    Q.Q hugs plox?


    i guess u own everyone in pvp cause barb is the best op dd
    I also never said that barbs were the most powerful OP DD or whatever else he thinks I said. I personally have very weak damage output, because I rely on defensive-offensive (if that makes sense) in pvp works for me, maybe not for everyone.
    (however Arma (perdition) is OP if you use it right
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  • Astaeria - Heavens Tear
    Astaeria - Heavens Tear Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I'm possibly in the minority, and I definitely can't speak for all clerics. Plus I'm only lvl 88 (avatar still says 87.. LOL), so perhaps my opinion doesn't matter as much. But I much prefer having a barb tanking than a 5 APS anything. I feel much safer with barbs around, and I don't have to break my finger off healing them like I do with BMs and Sins especially.

    I don't know why so many people say barbs are dead. I WISH there were more tank barbs playing. b:sad
  • ZoanoAce - Lost City
    ZoanoAce - Lost City Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Astaeria - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm possibly in the minority, and I definitely can't speak for all clerics. Plus I'm only lvl 88 (avatar still says 87.. LOL), so perhaps my opinion doesn't matter as much. But I much prefer having a barb tanking than a 5 APS anything. I feel much safer with barbs around, and I don't have to break my finger off healing them like I do with BMs and Sins especially.

    I don't know why so many people say barbs are dead. I WISH there were more tank barbs playing. b:sad
    Your opinion matters greatly as I agree with you. As you pointed out, you feel safer with Barbs tanking (or at least watchful of any mishaps) and don't have to struggle so much to prevent their supposed charms from ticking constantly. The current society of PWI is trying as hard as possible to reject barbs ~>AT ENDGAME<~( which people don't emphasize enough as they think the game starts at lvl 90+ alone, then finds out its the opposite).

    It's funny cause on my server, at least, every BH 39+ and 8x frost squads call for barbs everytime, then 90+ become mainly pullers and 100+ become wanted by few NV as debuffing DDs, but basically all BHs need a barb still, here. The ones who say barbs are dead are the ones who are afraid to admit they needed barbs for >60% of the game and deny the fact that barbs helped them to achieve their "endgame OP-ness."

    As for me, I'm Sage, pure vit (225) and reasonably good HP for my current gear, I dont feel a great need to tank anything anymore unless I rlly have to, but I'm happy as an emergency tank and debuffer (need Sage Roar and Devour so bad b:surrender), since I'm still accomplishing what I want. I take all this non-neededness as a repayment for helping so many of these 5aps nubslices get to 100.b:chuckle

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  • _Ghoul_ - Lost City
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City Posts: 973 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    wow its the 5th page and i bet its still going on.

    yes new expension i dont dobt will mean end off aps and beginning off something new.

    shall we put our hope that with it new agro holding skill for barbs then if that what u guys are saying.

    idk myself the barbs been in the shadows with their skills very long without improvments.
  • Freizer - Lost City
    Freizer - Lost City Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »
    wow its the 5th page and i bet its still going on.

    yes new expension i dont dobt will mean end off aps and beginning off something new.

    shall we put our hope that with it new agro holding skill for barbs then if that what u guys are saying.

    idk myself the barbs been in the shadows with their skills very long without improvments.

    You obviously aren't reading what anyone else is saying b:surrender The reason it's still going on is because 5 pages of people are pretty sure that at this time WE'RE STILL NEEDED just as we are. Hell two (if there are more I'm sorry) sage barbs pure vit barbs, who by far have the worst damage out put in game are still actively playing and enjoying the game on-your-own-server-no-less.

    Ghoul, I really think you either just don't watch WC ,are never on, or have some reason proved yourself to be a poor barb that you seem to have such low self-esteem for your class and have trouble finding squads.

    Prove us wrong with facts, and evidence not just misspelled, hard to read phrases, Hell, SS WC and prove that no one needs barbs. Until then, no one's going to take what you're saying seriously, especially with so many (well spoken) barbs saying otherwise.
    Lost City Sage barb and Retired Coven Marshal.
  • reebokedge
    reebokedge Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Freizer all up ITT derpin it up, makin himself/herself whoever is on the account look stupid
    oh well
    stupid is as stupid does
  • Vorgen - Sanctuary
    Vorgen - Sanctuary Posts: 276 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Freizer - Lost City wrote: »
    30 minutes is more than fast enough for most of us, that's not the "point" of his post. He's just saying that it is possible to run a faster than average NV while being a normal barb. Obviously when you start talking complete 5aps squads, the number goes down, but for those of us not up in the 5 APS cloud, 30minutes is a perfectly reasonable time frame.

    Ty Freizer for understanding what i was talking about. Most ppl who run Nirvana are not 5.0 aps. Oh they are trying to be but lets face it its hard to get decides if your unlucky with packs. So alot of squad have to make due with what they can get.

    That was my point you dont need a 5.0aps squad to get the run done in a reasonabke amount of time 3 5.0 aps and then throw in the rest and you still have a damn good squad(personally i think they should make themselves static money making squad. Easier to make money if you run with ppl you know and trust.)b:thanks
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  • UntamedFreak - Lost City
    UntamedFreak - Lost City Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    me too am disappointed at how things turn out for barb for months b:cry

    a game where tanker doesnt tank, the feeling sucks...b:shutup
  • Dagnatic - Sanctuary
    Dagnatic - Sanctuary Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »
    wow its the 5th page and i bet its still going on.

    Yes the new expansion, no doubt, will mean end of aps, and beginning off something new.

    Shall we all put our hopes with new agro holding skills for barbs? Then if what u guys are saying is right well, I don't know, the barbs have been in the shadows with their skills for a very long without improvements.

    Ok So i got sick of having to read every thing you say 3 times, just figure out that what your saying is wrong. So, to save my friendly barb friends some time I corrected it for you....

    now i think its a tad easyer to read, Now as you can see i under lined the worlds "i bet" now im assuming this means you haven't read any posts but your own, seaming as you "bet" its still going. If your going to start an argument, at least read all the posts, even the ones by people you don't like, and the 95% of them proving you wrong. im lvl 79, I've been playing for almost 2 years, And yeah, Slow -'n'-steady wins the race, i level slow, i learn how to use every skill to its maximum efficiency, and i hope, im a better barb because of it.

    You all say "barbs are useless" at 99+ but im sorry, what about the 99 levels before you get to end game, its not always about the end of the road, sometimes, its about the decisions you have to make along the way to get there, not every one plays to get to "end game", some people, like me, just play for fun, the socialization of it.
  • Blade_aether - Lost City
    Blade_aether - Lost City Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    EDIT FOR ALL OF YOUR POSTS:

    Fantastic gear is more readily available than ever before.

    When we say barbs are 'useless' so is any class that is pimped out for some purpose.

    Need a barb for GV? Try Elayne, his ARCANE wizard can solo GV, with no puller.

    Sins being the new tanker? Last time a checked they are are the only pure stat 5.0 class. So on the basis of aggro alone, it seems they have forced themselves into a tanking position.

    Remember now kiddies, it is uncommon for high DD classes to have much vit statted, meaning as a vit barb, you are already at a loss.

    Furthermore, axes are not a fantastic weapon to use with interval gear, and full str barbs are essentially physical mages, whom we have already established as not having the DD capacity of a sin or BM.

    Honestly, please do not take this as bragging. I solo frost with no charm, pots, or cleric on my axe barb. I make sure that I am full buffed with blood paint and cleric buffs and off I go. I won't lie, my +10 2nd cast Nirvana axes make this fairly feasible.

    Just because you have 13k to 15k hp in standing form does not mean that your gear is good. Furthermore, all the hp in the world can't save you if you can't kill your target.

    Most barbs I see are rather under geared for their level, and this most certainly will assist in making yourself look obsolete.

    Barbs are not useless, but we are obsolete when in comes to PVE, to fail to recognize that is to fail to recognize that 5.0 DD is greater than your axe DD. Vit barbs have been, and will remain meat shields. If you want to tank on your barb, then you have to have aggro. I am quite sure that we have all learned by now that aggro is usually maintained by high refine high APS chars. (Reroll if you like repair bills.)

    Otherwise, say nothing, and smile. Just imagine how wizzies must feel trying to find themselves nirvana runs. They don't even have a physical debuff for the main APS DD'rs like barbs do.

    You cannot have you cake and eat it do. Take this message with a grain of salt, we have a purpose, it is just not to be the highest DD.



    Blade_Aether
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  • SteelStar - Heavens Tear
    SteelStar - Heavens Tear Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    The biggest problem is this:

    Everyone is too big of a god damn hurry. Play the game to have fun! The only thing for me doesn't matter the build or your play style. I enjoy both playing with a normal squad and spending 40 minute-1 doing BH or 2-3 hours running a TT/LG, but what I don't enjoy is the cash shop sales. They were bearable at first but now they've just gotten ridiculous. Yeah I was a cash shopper and yeah I bought some stuff out of it, but with each sale makes its to where its less and less fun. So no matter your play style find your friends and keep them close because once you lose them you'll lose all interest. b:bye
    It's a game and I'm proud to be a stupid fail demon barb!
    My EPIC Fail Demon Barb has 40k/48k HP and my stat points are as follows:
    VIT 552 STR 310 DEX 60! b:surrender
  • Cevelt - Lost City
    Cevelt - Lost City Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    As far as barb for pk, all need to go pure vit and just use Armageddon with zerk axes, pretty soon as PWI grows closer to all private servers, you'll see more of this, i promise. meanwhile.. theyre still good for tanking, sins fail stealth is the only thing that saves them anymore, i can two shot sins my level with extremely good gear, pure vit barbs are the new kind of barbs to be, since axes alone arent as special even tho its only one skill, it will make their two spark worth it when they oneshot sins even in stealth because its a aoe ;)
  • talgrath1
    talgrath1 Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    If barbs are so unneeded, why is everyone screaming for them in World Chat? Offering runs with free "wine" (still not sure what that is as I'm a newbie, but I digress)? Sounds to me like barbs are wanted and showered with gifts to entice them to run dungeons...
  • Dagnatic - Sanctuary
    Dagnatic - Sanctuary Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    talgrath1 wrote: »
    If barbs are so unneeded, why is everyone screaming for them in World Chat? Offering runs with free "wine" (still not sure what that is as I'm a newbie, but I digress)? Sounds to me like barbs are wanted and showered with gifts to entice them to run dungeons...

    You give Wine to a NPC inside an FB dungeon and he kills almost all of the mobs, except for a few.

    The reason they Pay us to run an instance, Delta, FCC, BH and the like is because we are not by any ones chances a cheap class to run, 75-85ish you can come out of an FCC with a 100k repair bill, then you also have to pay for your hypers, which last time i checked were 400k ea, or something like that, and by what i use, its 5 Hypers for 2 FCC runs, so, its costing you roughly around 1.1mill per run, and being a barb every cCeric, BM, Sin, their dog, and girlfriend, kid, and best mate, all want you to run an FCC the second you get on, so these instances can become rather expensive, But if you want to lvl like a chicken without legs that just had its feathers plucked, are musts to leveling fast.

    That is why no one likes to play a barb. Other than the cleric, You get blamed for every thing, squad wipe, its your fault fro not being a pro, its a fun class, but high maintenance and stressful, i wouldnt want to play any thing els, I couldn't play any thing else, DD is not what i enjoy doing, or am good at.
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Barb has become an unpopular class just like wizard because the expenses are high and the endgame performance is average at best. I mean it is like fuzzywuzz wrote barbs are expected to work for the group but who is willing to take on all the difficulties if no return can be expected. I understand why people say i rather roll a sin or BM because you can do 90% of the tanking + DD and PvP at the same time and it's cheaper and faster to lvl. Barbs and wizards are bottomless pits when it comes to gear but they are expected to have decent gear to do their job in a party.

    Well i hear people a lot complaining about barbs who cant tank and hold aggro but the truth is how should a barb get the required stuff to do the job without any support from faction friends...if you check the wiz forum you will notice here it's the same people suggest to start a farming 5aps char to be able to finance the wiz but that's just inacceptable if you ask me.

    Personally i hate seing fist aps barbs because they are the perverted response from barbsto the aps craze. Unfortunately i have to admit that the build works and does great especially in combination with good gear. But there is something wrong in the game if a class is doing better with a weapon they are not intended to use then with the weapon their skills are designed for.

    I like barbs for their hp buff and the fact that they can aggro mobs away from other group members but maybe i just like to play so much with barbs because they are another class also left behind like the wiz. Wizards lost their position as no1 magical DD and barbs partly lost their place as No1 tank. For instance who cares about wizards dragons breath and a barb pulling in FC if 2 sins can solo the whole instance.

    greetz harm0wnie
  • Templar - Sanctuary
    Templar - Sanctuary Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    When u go on that facebook page to get blessing who do u see on the picture?
    8cddc99876.jpg

    A barb !
    So wihout barb no 30 attack blessing, don't u see barb buffing :)

    Every 2nd Sale has barb on mount on flyer etc etc , When ever i see PWI presenting somethign its barb there :) This game can't be wihout barb

    Beside we are coolest class anyhow b:chuckle , and like peopel said don't expect to build barb in 2 month like sin's doing if u whant that roll a *** -assin xD, barb is build over the years b:pleased like Pyramids- thats why
    we are solid as a rock ! and will stay forever :)

    PS

    WE ARE SO FLUFFY EVERYONE'S GONAN DIEEE

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  • SteelStar - Heavens Tear
    SteelStar - Heavens Tear Posts: 469 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    THIS.

    Problem here Fuzz is that the helping, selfless character that Barbs are now required to be needs an adult to run 'em - and many barbs are/were rolled by kids who want a bulletproof killer. The game has evolved around them to develop other classes that do more damage, and faster - and have left barbs behind. BM's and Sin's are much more independent and interesting - and cheaper to run, and faster to lvl, and "popular" in squads.

    Before "Who needs a barb, we have a Sin to tank" it was "Who needs a barb, we have a BM to tank" and "who needs a barb, we have a herc veno to tank".

    Nearly every advance of this game has left the barbs behind.     I agree with you about Frost/Warsong/RBO needing a barb still, but it's grudgingly, and we are forgotten after that 3-3 boss or BH69 is done.

    b:shutupb:byeb:cry
    It's a game and I'm proud to be a stupid fail demon barb!
    My EPIC Fail Demon Barb has 40k/48k HP and my stat points are as follows:
    VIT 552 STR 310 DEX 60! b:surrender
  • Freizer - Lost City
    Freizer - Lost City Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    talgrath1 wrote: »
    If barbs are so unneeded, why is everyone screaming for them in World Chat? Offering runs with free "wine" (still not sure what that is as I'm a newbie, but I digress)? Sounds to me like barbs are wanted and showered with gifts to entice them to run dungeons...


    I would Love (Really) if getting free wine and gifts (rarely) covered the repairs. Sad fact is, if you run oh say a frost, hh, gv/warsong, and a bh you're repairing at least twice depending on the speed of the squad, or how good they are. That's about 400-500k repair at 10x per day, (250-300 every time you have to repair everything) We don't want to be "bribed" into dungeons, we want to make minimum so we can keep on playing an doing our job for you.

    This is why alot of barbs don't run with random squads, if you have a guild and if you have friends they know that it's nice to you know maybe toss in the 50k-100k mats to the barb, to help with repairs.

    We arn't asking for anything special, a barb can make decent repair money by just selling the mats that no one wants from TT. (personally I don't even take matts from guild TT runs, just because someone else in guild can use them)

    TL;DR version:

    Telling us we we're greedy when you don't have an understanding of what it means ot play this class, is disrespectful and misguided at the very least. The reason people have high level barb friends, or a good guild with them is because they took the time to understand what it means for us to run into a dungeon,or tank a boss. They bring the DD so we can tank it effectively and quickly, and we bring the HP so that they don't die.
    (aps and such aside)
    Lost City Sage barb and Retired Coven Marshal.
  • Doggy_Stylez - Lost City
    Doggy_Stylez - Lost City Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    FuzzyWuzz wrote: »
    Tank for them on their way to end-game and they will be one of the best assets a team can have in TW.

    I agree with most of wot you said, and I for one dont believe that this game should be all about 5aps chars soloing instances... In fact I really dont see the point in playing an MMORPG unless your gonna
    a. learn your role in a squad and
    b. perform that role to the best of your abilities

    However with regard to TW, I am sad to say that for 90% of players TW is a fable that we hear about but rarely or never get to experience.

    I started playing on Lost City a year and a half ago, and Conq. owned the whole map.

    They split up and into Essence and Spectral and between them more or less shared the territories. For a short while, smaller factions like Kami, Yak, etc. grabbed some land but gradually bit by bit, a dominant faction (in this case Essence) emerged and took over the map again.

    Admittedly I was unfortunate in that i was always off travelling at the very few times that my small but loyal faction participated in a couple of TW's but my gripe is with the whole TW system.

    In real life the more territory you own doesnt necessarily = more dominance and wealth... upkeep costs money, and a permenant militia is required to be paid to keep local peoples subdued. Rebellions kick off, natural disasters happen... etc. etc.

    In game terms, it would make for a much more interesting TW system and a much richer gameplay experience for ALL players if it actually became MORE difficult to hold land for each territory you aqcuire!

    Just some thoughts! b:bye
  • Doggy_Stylez - Lost City
    Doggy_Stylez - Lost City Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    _Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »
    keep ur claw 2 urself tvm.
    just wanted 2 give my opinion, even if fuzzy makes some sense we have few options as he says.
    A. we can keep 2 our tank job why more or less look for non aps ppl in all we things we do.
    like blacklist aps, which is the harshest, most hateful thing for barbs nowdays, meaning sin/bm and aps archer and claw barb just ignore these players and somehow we keep our jobbs.

    B.we go aps ourself and go in this int hipe.

    C.we delete barb cos it fails 2 tank and make a bm or sin 2 tank i mean why keep barb when they lost there job.

    Any fast attacking char (sins and psychs) who is too stupid to control their damage on bosses, I just let them steal agro and laugh when their dead.

    In my opinion an intelligent damage dealer knows how not to pull agro from barb. This has always been true, even before TB expansion and FKING JONES BLESSINGS (capitalized for a reason... way to further break te game mechanics for some cheap advertising PWi).

    Admittedly, with the tideborn expansion it has become obvious that it the original agro mechanics built into this game for Barbs (ie. spam flesh ream (insert sarcastic laugh here)) were not adjusted to account for such high attacks per second and/or damage per second and were further Fked up by the introduction of Jones Blessing, (to this day I can't figure why they did not make it +15 Att. Level and +15 Def Level, I mean cmon... they (Dev's) designed the game, they have no excuse for such stupidity)

    Blah... I forgot why I started this rant... so to hell with it... I'm going to research sage vs demon!

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