Need advice endgame

Tulipano - Archosaur
Tulipano - Archosaur Posts: 21 Arc User
edited February 2011 in Archer
Well, I've seen many opinions about it that I'm getting lost, and I'm doubting about making an archer or a psy..

The thing is, at lower level I guess doesn't make much difference to go HA or LA in an archer, but at endgame the refinning difference between HA and LA on +HP is so much that makes me doubt about making a pure dex archer or not.
-Is it better to go HA and sacrifice some dmg and crits to tank a bit more and have more HP and phydef (since I heard that evasion doesn't really work as much as defenses) than to go just pure dex and DD totally?
-In a PvP server (since I played wizzy on a pve) I thought it would be better to have more survivability for if someone comes behind to pk you hehe, but ofc if you go HA the mag resistance will be lower and nukers could pwn my ***, but does it really make a big difference the HA mag res with LA res at endgame?
-I'm not planning to wear claws and go 5.0 DPS, it might be better for many but it's a matter of playstyle, hate melee combat anyway... How is it to have an archer endgame on both builds HA and LA? I mean is it easy to tank with pure dex FC runs, TTs, nirvannas and stuff? What is more recommended?

Thanks in advance for the replies.
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  • Reknown_Wolf - Harshlands
    Reknown_Wolf - Harshlands Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Go LA, wearing HA cuts ur dmg in 1/2, with ha u can take a few extra hits but you dont deal any dmg.
    Also archers rely on crits to kill, HA = Very low crit....

    Please for the love of god.... Dont make a Gimped Archer
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Conventional wisdom would suggest that if you were to go HA or AA, significant amounts of the resistance you lack (Sapphires, in HA) can improve your "worse" stat almost to the point that LA would provide... therefore LA is statistically the worst armor.

    However, most archers go LA simply because they'd prefer not to have minimal Dex. With either of the other two, you will be sacrificing a significant amount of damage and, in the case of HA in particular, you will be relying on stat-boosting gear to equip both a current armor and a current weapon.

    You might also run into more problems with standard mobs, as many of them cast at you from a distance.

    Finally, not only will the lack of Dex hurt your damage output, but HA or AA builds allow for practically no Vit (except that which you get from gears). Therefore you will have the disadvantages of both the pure-dex build (low HP) and those of the hybrid build (low damage).

    I wouldn't go so far as to say you'd be "gimped," like Wolf did. But there's a reason most archers go LA, which you would need to consider.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I made this comparison a while ago with my armor between HA and LA.

    http://i.imgur.com/TFCUz.png

    I could get another 20 dex on the top one if I didnt want to equip claws though (2.7% more bow damage).
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I would think you'd equip mdef orns with heavy. There's also the question of whether you'd ultimately wear R9
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  • Mourey__ - Dreamweaver
    Mourey__ - Dreamweaver Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I saw heavy build archers before, becousse aps armours are alot cheaper than for bm's for example. Still your critical will be really low, and with bow you will be useless. But for more damage for fist and more phy def, that's a good thing. Still better to make a bm, but if you wan't cheap 5aps, then why not. But you can't play archer like that forever. It should be just good aps TT and nirvana grinder. After you get money for all gears restat to light armour or make a bm, or sin. Or even a magic class, depends what you like. Also you must know, that archer at lvl 100 need some parts of light armours for 5aps, and you won't be able to use them without dexteritiy, so i think it's still good to think about going light build, like normal archer, so you won't need to spend like tones of money for resets at level 100.
  • Valirah - Sanctuary
    Valirah - Sanctuary Posts: 522 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Reknown_Wolf - Harshlands wrote: »
    Go LA, wearing HA cuts ur dmg in 1/2, with ha u can take a few extra hits but you dont deal any dmg.
    Also archers rely on crits to kill, HA = Very low crit....

    Please for the love of god.... Dont make a Gimped Archer

    Going HA drops your damage output by around 25% even after factoring in loss of crit, hardly the doom and gloom most uninformed folks spout about.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    To go HA you really have to refine high in order to make the HP bonus worth something, so it is essentially assuming there is no limit to how much you'd spend

    Nirvana second cast is not much less expensive as R9 on sale
    (and you know it will go on sale again)

    R9 gives considerable set bonuses. Full R9 has 25 more attack levels and 10 more defense levels than full Cascade Glow with the R9 bow, same differences if you have 3 pieces of Cascade Glow and 2 pieces of R9. The HP difference I can't really tell at the moment because pwcalc messed up R9's refines.

    The damage difference between the two builds stat-wise is about 20-25%, but the damage difference between having R9 and anything else is much bigger.

    Endgame-wise, I want to say go R9 (and LA).
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    R9 gives considerable set bonuses. Full R9 has 25 more attack levels and 10 more defense levels than full Cascade Glow with the R9 bow, same differences if you have 3 pieces of Cascade Glow and 2 pieces of R9. The HP difference I can't really tell at the moment because pwcalc messed up R9's refines.

    Can you link to some place that has the set bonuses of Rank 9?
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/28593
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I think I am misunderstanding. When you said "set bonuses" of Rank 9, is that the same as having two TT99 which gives -0.05 interval?
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Ya, R9 gives bonuses but it's these
    Items equipped Bonus
    2 Def. LV +10
    3 Critical Hit Rate +1%
    4 Att. LV +10
    5 Def. LV +10
    6 Att. LV +20
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    One downside to an HA build is that both of the new classes will be doing elemental damage, and they are likely to be quite powerful. But for a purely PvE archer heavy might make sense.
  • Tulipano - Archosaur
    Tulipano - Archosaur Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Well, I think it's clear enough.

    Thanks to all for the replies, I'll stick with LA even tho I'm lossing stats vs HA or AA. I think it's the best and being a BMtank with an archer is not that smart.

    I'm going to be PvP oriented so np.
  • Yoyoki - Lost City
    Yoyoki - Lost City Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Always going to have low defence wearing LA, but with pvp pots charms, token food, makes up for it,just need to be more switched on in pvp
  • ilovebarbarians
    ilovebarbarians Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    I've seen an arcane archer once in the high 70's. Let's just stick to LA =)
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Heh, I know of one AA Archer on my server, she's in the 90s I think. What's weird is, every time I see her, she's standing still. OHT, BH platform, catshop, wherever........ I have never, ever seen this person move. It's creepy. .____.
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What's weird is, every time I see her, she's standing still. OHT, BH platform, catshop, wherever........ I have never, ever seen this person move. It's creepy. .____.

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