normal attack for casters

kotarofuuma
kotarofuuma Posts: 0 Arc User
edited January 2011 in General Discussion
the title says it all i think.. is it a good idea for arcane classes (wizard, psychic, venomancer, cleric, mystic?) to have a normal range attack? if you play Forsaken World, you know what i mean.. so if u ever play any of the casting classes you don't have to go upclose and personal or waste mana(wiz) with, say an instance boss, just to deal damage when u need to go afk.. bms, barbs, archers and assassins can use just normal attacks and still do massive damage why not casters have normal casting attack with no mana cost and fair damage?






and....

who here agrees they need to change how a seeker carry a sword while holding? >.>
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  • xcliqz
    xcliqz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    No...just no
  • kotarofuuma
    kotarofuuma Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    why not?
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    You could always just not level one of your skills and then it'll cost little enough mana that you can regenerate it as fast as you can cast it. (Heck, even fully levelled that's almost true of venomous scarab.)

    Or you could equip a bow, or just run forward and hit the monsters, if you're really short of mana.
  • Kuro_suiren - Sanctuary
    Kuro_suiren - Sanctuary Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You could always just not level one of your skills and then it'll cost little enough mana that you can regenerate it as fast as you can cast it. (Heck, even fully levelled that's almost true of venomous scarab.)

    Or you could equip a bow, or just run forward and hit the monsters, if you're really short of mana.

    i know, but that shouldnt be the only option.. slapping/poking the enemies though, doesn't even scratch them.. normal attacks shouldnt be limited to physical only.. i know what u guys think, maybe ur thinking just because a wiz hit that hard enough using skill will mean it will hit as hard for a normal magic attack.. normal attack doesnt hit as hard as any skills a melee and ranger has, of course that will apply to a normal magic attack as well..
  • KuiXing - Harshlands
    KuiXing - Harshlands Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    This is why they have macros...... /Facedesk
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  • kotarofuuma
    kotarofuuma Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    still you burn mana. macros sometimes break too. what's with the facedesk?
  • KuiXing - Harshlands
    KuiXing - Harshlands Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I always facedesk xD and My macros hardly break, also theres this thing called potions... you should look into them their so awesome! they give back mana like magic O: also Im a wiz so i got 12k mp buffed so mana really isnt an issue o.0

    12k mp + herbs = never run outta mana o3o
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  • CandyCorn - Raging Tide
    CandyCorn - Raging Tide Posts: 1,547 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    KuiXing - Harshlands wrote: »
    I always facedesk xD and My macros hardly break, also theres this thing called potions... you should look into them their so awesome! they give back mana like magic O: also Im a wiz so i got 12k mp buffed so mana really isnt an issue o.0

    12k mp + herbs = never run outta mana o3o

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  • kotarofuuma
    kotarofuuma Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    lol u dont get what im getting at.. im saying that if its possible to give casters normal magic attacks with fair damage (when i say fair, fair with the melee class but not equal in damage) and NO cost..

    also i didnt say u run out of mana, i said u burn mana.. sure i know potions.. and dang most melees dont even need them cos they can do 500% damage at any boss without any cost of mana.. :D
  • WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide
    WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    just a suggestion. maybe have a skill that is available when the weapon is equip that does 1/2 the damage of the weapon and fires at the rate of the weapon's melee attack or slower, that way it don't fire to fast, and doesn't do an obscene amount of damage.

    also, it can't be completely mana free, that's just unfair. maybe just make is a channeling skill with a very small mp consumption, like around 20-50 er something like that.

    i can't think of anouther way to make it fair to have an auto attack on a magic class, but yeah, it would be nice, especially for people like me. meh parents hate videogames, and sometimes they come in the room, and i have ta minimize, and i'd like ta be able ta not completely bail on people in a boss fight.

    it couldn't have just no consumption tho, and couldn't do full weapon damage, otherwise, people would cry OP, and i personally don't want anouther type of OP thread cloggin up the forums. just sayin....
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  • Regenbogen - Lost City
    Regenbogen - Lost City Posts: 1,559 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    1sec channel 0.2sec cast time no cooldown...
    get 90%+ channeling...
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    In this game, a "normal" attack is defined as a melee attack without skills/ranged attack with a bow without skills. Unless you're a veno (especially a heavy veno) in foxform, it isn't worth it.
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  • Renza - Raging Tide
    Renza - Raging Tide Posts: 1,939 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    of course it would always be nice to have magic auto attacks that dont burn mana, ive played some games that do that and i thought its a decent idea, hell even LOMA has it i think, mainly it would be useful when in the lower stages of levels, as MP burns so quick its not even funny, my level 24 psy runs out of mana after about 10-13 mobs or so depending, they take like 3-4 seconds to kill per mob, then i end up sitting there for nearly 3 minutes to regen, so over all, im spending most the time regening then fighting and that my friends, is boring as hell.

    when i did this cleric, only reason i bothered to start was cos i had a mp charm to get through the terrible first levels, it ran out between level 50-60, but my regen was good enough to be fighting more then sitting or potting, eitherway, MP regen at low levels sucks insanely.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Basic magic attack that costs no mana sounds fine.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I'm guessing it would be a little like archers autoattacking, only with magical instruments that would throw like a simple magic ball or whatever (based on m.attk). The element of the attack could be based on the ''ammo'' you use (maybe like an orb or crystal or whatever that gives unlimited ammo and goes into the arrow slot, more expensive versions would give an m.attk bonus that only affects normal attacks). It's only fair that these attacks would cost mp though, maybe more depending on the grade of ammo you use.

    The problem is that they would need to give magical instruments more range (like 20m) and remove the range from all skills (else you'd have like 50m of casting range) aswell as giving all caster classes a +range passive skill similar to archers.

    Still, I'd like to have something like this. Seeing a mob with only a millimeter of health left when I can only nuke it for a third of its hp always kind of annoyed me...
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  • Renza - Raging Tide
    Renza - Raging Tide Posts: 1,939 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Seeing a mob with only a millimeter of health left when I can only nuke it for a third of its hp always kind of annoyed me...

    that will always be a royal pain, killing the 93 poison mobs up at avalanch, seeing them with the last 100 hp or something annoying, i just think, cant they just die instead of living with the scrap of HP?
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  • DarkExorcist - Dreamweaver
    DarkExorcist - Dreamweaver Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    kotarofuuma wrote: »
    the title says it all i think.. is it a good idea for arcane classes (wizard, psychic, venomancer, cleric, mystic?) to have a normal range attack? if you play Forsaken World, you know what i mean.. so if u ever play any of the casting classes you don't have to go upclose and personal or waste mana(wiz) with, say an instance boss, just to deal damage when u need to go afk.. bms, barbs, archers and assassins can use just normal attacks and still do massive damage why not casters have normal casting attack with no mana cost and fair damage?






    and....

    who here agrees they need to change how a seeker carry a sword while holding? >.>

    Uh, no. It's what makes classes different and unique. If you're going to complain about each class not having the ability to do what another class can then I'd suggest you stop playing. Variety keeps this game interesting, when I get bored i often create an alt to experience another class. If it were all the same I would've quit ages ago.
  • Collien_ - Lost City
    Collien_ - Lost City Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »
    seeing them with the last 100 hp or something annoying, i just think, cant they just die instead of living with the scrap of HP?

    I totally understand you.
    On veno its not the problem, couse my pet will just finish it... I can sit down and watch! But i played cleric and this is very annoyng! Must use skill for lame 30hp... b:angry
    Also, the annoying thing in this game is to get a crit hit as the last one on mob, when he got like 200hp and all other hits are normal ._. but it's totally random ofc =)
    I play Forsaken World too, magic class. They use normal-magic attack which is totally cool! b:dirty Dont need to click-non-stop.
  • anwynd
    anwynd Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    DarkExorcist - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Uh, no. It's what makes classes different and unique. If you're going to complain about each class not having the ability to do what another class can then I'd suggest you stop playing. Variety keeps this game interesting, when I get bored i often create an alt to experience another class. If it were all the same I would've quit ages ago.

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  • Roin - Harshlands
    Roin - Harshlands Posts: 155 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I would love something like this for soloing bosses afk or w/e i played a few games like pwi that let the magic classes have a weaker auto attack it its balanced its not like you will see 5 aps clerics runing around the only thing i would hate is how the magic classes will get lazy as the phys ones if that gave us this

    i seen how a few people would not like this can you tell me why? play a few other games like pwi and you will see it can be very balanced
  • kotarofuuma
    kotarofuuma Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    DarkExorcist - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Uh, no. It's what makes classes different and unique. If you're going to complain about each class not having the ability to do what another class can then I'd suggest you stop playing. Variety keeps this game interesting, when I get bored i often create an alt to experience another class. If it were all the same I would've quit ages ago.


    Uh, did u really read with comprehension dude? why do people always assume that all the threads are about complaint lol.. "is it a good idea that blah blah" sounds complaining for u? and u cant even understand its more of a suggestion than a complaint.. and how does having a normal range attack for casters breaks uniqueness? O.O its the "fists" dude..
  • hahahahahahah1
    hahahahahahah1 Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I see nothing wrong with this. It works nicely on other games like Forsaken World from what I have seen.
  • Aubree - Dreamweaver
    Aubree - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,868 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    i think its a good idea
  • AuroraLucia - Archosaur
    AuroraLucia - Archosaur Posts: 279 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I'm going to say no, simply because it means that caster classes will get lazy, use this, and then have even fewer costs in dungeons. As it is, my Cleric has at max 15k repairs if its something like FC, and I still use very few MP foods, even when in BB or spamming IH. I only see this making some things worse. I've played a few games where they had this, and I do not like it personally.

    I understand wanting something for when you have to go AFK over a long period of time, which is kind of why I wish add-ons were allowed. Sometimes a macro just can't cut it. However, I just see a lot of possible negatives coming from this. Many positives as well, but I just personally don't like how it can be abused by some.
  • ZeroDefects - Dreamweaver
    ZeroDefects - Dreamweaver Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I get where you are coming from OP, having played a bit of FW and HOTK, you want each caster class to have a default class skill that fires off when you click the sword icon. Unfortunately the way the PWI game/skill mechanics work is a bit different from PWEs later games (different development team - long since gone) and I can't see PWE trying to make such a fundamental change with the team they have. not without breaking what is a fairly robust system (mechanically at least). Perhaps if they added a new skill to each class - that did somewhere around 50% of your base mag attack in damage, had 1 second channel, cast and coolcooldown (scarab speed) and either had a correspondingly low mana cost and could even be chi based - costs 10 chi to use, but makes 10 chi back when cast. So basically as long as you are attacking - you will have the resource available to use the skill. They could then set the skill up in a similar way to barrage etc, where you have to hit escape to stop attacking. Something along those lines?

    HOTK macro system had some nice features - you could set time to pause between using each skill in a macro, and if you didnt have the equivalent of mp/chi to fire the next skill in your chain - it skipped passed it instead of just stopping the macro. it didn't go as far as the combat aid that BOI had (or the in game bots that ESO/JD have) - you still had to pot yourself lol

    Btw - this thread would be better placed in the Suggestions forum I think. just a suggestion ;)
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I would say you wouldn't be caster class with casting any magic only using normal attacks.
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  • maveric54
    maveric54 Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    i like the idea myself, Ive also wondered why they haven't added it already. heck even low end games such as (R.S.) have a basic auto magic attack. i think a few people got what u was trying to explain wrong. The aim isn't in conserving mana its more for a less painful way to still stay involved in killing a boss. w/o the tiresome endless clicking. it would also seem that a normal magic attack would cause less aggro as compared to using skills. i think it would make things a lot easier on character such as psy for sure since they so OP that u have to wait till boss is at half hp to even attack
  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    maveric54 wrote: »
    i like the idea myself, Ive also wondered why they haven't added it already. heck even low end games such as (R.S.) have a basic auto magic attack. i think a few people got what u was trying to explain wrong. The aim isn't in conserving mana its more for a less painful way to still stay involved in killing a boss. w/o the tiresome endless clicking. it would also seem that a normal magic attack would cause less aggro as compared to using skills. i think it would make things a lot easier on character such as psy for sure since they so OP that u have to wait till boss is at half hp to even attack
    Dragon Breath is good normal attack for Wizards.
    If they will use MP charm, they can be AFK forever having good defense, tank or cleric (when tanking).

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    As every spell with channeling interval DB can be interrupted.
  • Diverse - Harshlands
    Diverse - Harshlands Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    um no.. macros anyone?
    and as for the point that it still uses mana and that bms or melees dont need mana with 500% damage increase, we use hp pots, ijs.
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »
    1sec channel 0.2sec cast time no cooldown...
    get 90%+ channeling...
    5skills per second ownage and ofc permaspark...b:chuckle

    me likes D:

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