Whatever happened to the good ol' days.

CandyCorn - Raging Tide · January 2011

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

now is present, which is result of the past

the past is over get to the present

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · January 2011

CandyCorn - Raging Tide wrote: »

the past is over get to the present

im in present, to my neck in the mud of the past consequences

CandyCorn - Raging Tide · January 2011

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

im in present, to my neck in the mud of the past consequences

well that's your pasts mistakes now what are you going to do about it in the future, work on your present.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · January 2011

CandyCorn - Raging Tide wrote: »

well that's your pasts mistakes now what are you going to do about it in the future, work on your present.

should i submit a ticket?

CandyCorn - Raging Tide · January 2011

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

should i submit a ticket?

b:confused b:cry

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · January 2011

CandyCorn - Raging Tide wrote: »

b:confused b:cry

no worries *pats* b:chuckle

CandyCorn - Raging Tide · January 2011

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

no worries *pats* b:chuckle

b:surrender

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear · January 2011

***virtual applause***b:victory

you have put it perfectly!

and a b:shutup for JanusZeal. some of us live in a real world, and dont get to use daddy's platinum card for EXP stones, and all the other goodies on the gold shop. yes, they woud be nice, and yes, i have bought from it, but not in a long time. life on the keyboard side of the screen takes prescient over the game world.

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Brah? Are you a flatbiller? ew

So you deny that almost every way to earn coin in game hasn't been reduced or eliminated? Or do you cash shop so often you never paid attention? That sounds plausible.

I'm not too concerned about the fact they put gear in packs. That's really a non-issue. When they start offering bulk sales and then put the bulk packs at 33% off as well as selling reputation in the cash shop, yeah that starts becoming an issue.

Bugs here are usually fixed. There are a few old bugs that I suspect they cannot fix without more trouble than it's worth. The main one being the Rebirth 1k/Warsong damage port. They also couldn't fix the PK Tourney 2x death bug. It seems likely that there is a major issue with the code preventing this without a significant re-write otherwise it would already be fixed. So you're pretty much off on this one.

Yes, marketing mismanagement. This game is horribly mismanaged. Unlike PWCN where the GMs and developers tweak the game to make sure it works for them, those same tweaks have been far more detrimental to us... as we get the blunt end of a fix for issues we don't have.

/facepalm

The idea is that you shouldn't be panhandled or begged for money by giving away everything and the kitchen sink just for you to charge. Perhaps (obviously) you're used to feeding your addiction and that's fine. Ruining game balance and long term goals just to make a buck? Sure, you're ok with almost anything PW does.

The fact is that PW is now basically an over-glorified chat program where spending lots of money buys you status. Of course, none of the new gear, either Nirvana or Rank 9 are necessary for anything in this game except for PvP and TW.

Of course, if PW were this loving and caring entity that you imagine in your little wet dreams, they would actually cater to the dwindling F2P player base to keep them involved, however pushing them out means a higher ratio of cash shoppers to free players, which also means less server bandwidth equating to higher profits. The only thing harmed over the long run is the health of the game and population.

The disparity between the haves and have nots has increased dramatically, and this is bad for any society and is one of the major issues heading into a society tearing apart, not just in a game either. But imaginary world reflects reality in this regard.

Anyway, to some PW can do no wrong... ignorance must be bliss, you seem quite happy.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · January 2011

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »

***virtual applause***b:victory

you have put it perfectly!

and a b:shutup for JanusZeal. some of us live in a real world, and dont get to use daddy's platinum card for EXP stones, and all the other goodies on the gold shop. yes, they woud be nice, and yes, i have bought from it, but not in a long time. life on the keyboard side of the screen takes prescient over the game world.

Alas, daddy isn't alive, and I have my own credit cards. I guess in that respect I should ask the aid in the mental institution you live in to assist you in making a more coherent post.

Also, let's do some "real world" math that we supposedly learned from a "real world" school:

1 Nirvana run with my wife yields 3-6 uncannys, 0-2 raptures.

In the event of a normal run that drops 1 rap, 3-4 cannys that's nearly 3m (1.6 for raps, 420k for cannys), split in half, is 1.5m. Tokens are at 11.8k apiece right now on HT. It costs 40 tokens for 5 Hyper XP stones. That's 472,000 coins. If your institutional aid is reading this right now she might want to help you grasp the concept of you don't need to swipe a CC for hypers when it's easy enough to get 5 just by grinding DQ for a few hours, never mind doing a single Nirvana run which takes maybe 20-35 mins. b:bye

Michael_Dark - Lost City · January 2011

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Please qualify how putting digital items on sale correlates to selling your kidney. /inb4qqsales

10* orbs used to cost $370 with sales dropping the price to a little under $250. Then they decided to come out with them for $75. Then that wasn't enough, they dropped the price to $50. Apparently they didn't even sell enough at that price so now they've lowered the price to $30.

That's not proverbially sacrificing an organ to increase your profits? You're funny. In a "ha ha I'm dumb" not a "ha ha I'm brilliant" type of way.

You make posts using current language to indicate you currently play. You currently talk about who is Rank 9, who has what, and what you do. You might want to be careful more with your language if you do in fact stalk people in game while never playing it. It likely makes as much sense as you do. I'm pretty sure you still play.

Interesting, but how does this correlate to making a psychological analysis? It doesn't. I still do play a little. How that is actually relevant to this discussion or your future endeavors as a psychotherapeutic provider?

Probably because it does take some time to get that content, and PW has decided they want everyone being more powerful, due to making it so easy to attain gear like R8/R9. So what? Equally, it's that easy to attain awesome Nirvana gear without paying a cent or using the boutique.

Take off the blinders... PW wants you to be more powerful? Um... they frankly don't care if you're more powerful or not... their only interest is their bottom line? Nah, that couldn't be possible. And, I'm not against that. Obviously, a for-profit company does need to make profit. Seriously.

I should also point out that it was you who got banned on this very subject. Looks like you can't remember where you stand. b:bye

Umm... I was banned for directly insulting a specific moderator and using foul language while addressing them. That's the only reason I was banned.

I'm a customer, semi-satisfied, semi-concerned. I've stated these concerns quite a few times on these forums, you have conveniently ignored them, especially to make such an argument that "pwi can do no wrong". All you're paying attention to is me going after the children who use memes and make a silly presumption that this is defending PWI when in fact I know what is PWI's fault, what are players fault, and what is both ends doing what both ends will do. Of course, it also entails you actually considering your behavior. That, you will not do, even though I fully expect a reply going "hur hur i r just trolling".

Yes, you have your own opinions of what is going wrong here. Just because others have different opinions of why PWI is tanking their own flagship game than you doesn't make their point any less valid.

And they still can. Hilarious is hilarious. The biggest cash shoppers also tend to be people who play a lot as well. Not a little.

See, you're already on your 5th or 6th lvl 100 character? Try starting over from scratch on a new server and see what this game is like for a new player. I'm sure you'll do fine because you play 8-10 hours a day, but people who don't have the time or money that you put in the game shouldn't have to deal with the BS that PW is putting them through.

Again, stuff that doesn't affect me directly. It only indirectly affects me because of the effect it has on the complete in-game environment... less people = less stuff to do = stagnating population.

No, blinded by PWI? Hah. If I stop enjoying the game, I stop playing. No forum posts, nothing. That's it. All you do is berate something you try and say you don't play. Consider the only possible scenarios (and I already know you do play but look at how equally pathetic they are):

Berate? Apparently constructive criticism is a term that's completely escaped your grasp. There are valid opinions that you may or may not disagree with.

You also never directly answered this:

Michael_Dark wrote:

So you deny that almost every way to earn coin in game hasn't been reduced or eliminated?

You did state:

1) Just because things have been made easier for cash shoppers does not mean one must cash shop. Unless I'm mistaken and a week and a day's worth of farming raps during 2x was really my wallet getting thinner.

No, they not only made it easier for cash shoppers, which I don't have an issue with... they also made it much more difficult for the non-cash shoppers... to the extent that many people who previously enjoyed playing this game as a F2P left because most sources of in-game revenue generation were removed. Not to make it easier on cash shoppers, but to make it more difficult on those who chose not to.

Of course, it didn't affect me. I didn't care about the DQ nerf, adding bikinis in the cash shop, devaluing mid and high mats with tokens, devaluing rare molds by increasing the frequency that those bosses were farmed (bh), devaluing apoc pages with tokens, etc...

None of that mattered to me, however the fact is that the population of PWI has significantly decreased since and judging by the direction the sales are taking, their cash shop sales are becoming more and more desperate.

- Person doesn't spend time playing yet continuously whines day in and out on the forum of a game they don't play. Nice choice of spending one's free time. I certainly love going onto the forums of the games I used to play and ******** relentlessly to a likely current playerbase about how the game sucks. Equally, if I buy a new car and it breaks down and I don't want to do business anymore, I'll make sure to harass customers and potential buyers at the dealership, whining about the company to ensure they don't buy the product. Good logic, sparky. That sure isn't creepy or, as you would like to diagnose people, mentally unstable, at all. b:victory

- Person does play the game and continuously whines about said game. Well, that person I actually can slightly respect because they want to play and are, but have reservations about it. However, they're obviously lacking in brain cells to figure out if they are complaining for such a long period they should be finding another game instead of playing something that bothers them so much.

Anyone with some shame might have stopped posting but we're talking about Michael_Dark here. Shameless and moronic.

- Person who is so self-righteous that any concern not mirrored by them is invalid and whining.

It's funny seeing you on your high horse... this is the internet and a video game. OMG you're an online GOD that isn't affected by most things mere mortals are here and the peasants who wish to voice an opinion should just shut up and keep their whining to themselves. *pat pat* You get a Scooby snack.

b:bye

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · January 2011

i see more and more pple who dont play the game as much as they used to, but still clinging to the forums like a dead lover

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · January 2011

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

i see more and more pple who dont play the game as much as they used to, but still clinging to the forums like a dead lover

addictive entertainment hun

girls dont get it

SaintDominic - Sanctuary · January 2011

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

10* orbs used to cost $370 with sales dropping the price to a little under $250. Then they decided to come out with them for $75. Then that wasn't enough, they dropped the price to $50. Apparently they didn't even sell enough at that price so now they've lowered the price to $30.

That's not proverbially sacrificing an organ to increase your profits? You're funny. In a "ha ha I'm dumb" not a "ha ha I'm brilliant" type of way.

Interesting, but how does this correlate to making a psychological analysis? It doesn't. I still do play a little. How that is actually relevant to this discussion or your future endeavors as a psychotherapeutic provider?

Take off the blinders... PW wants you to be more powerful? Um... they frankly don't care if you're more powerful or not... their only interest is their bottom line? Nah, that couldn't be possible. And, I'm not against that. Obviously, a for-profit company does need to make profit. Seriously.

Umm... I was banned for directly insulting a specific moderator and using foul language while addressing them. That's the only reason I was banned.

Yes, you have your own opinions of what is going wrong here. Just because others have different opinions of why PWI is tanking their own flagship game than you doesn't make their point any less valid.

See, you're already on your 5th or 6th lvl 100 character? Try starting over from scratch on a new server and see what this game is like for a new player. I'm sure you'll do fine because you play 8-10 hours a day, but people who don't have the time or money that you put in the game shouldn't have to deal with the BS that PW is putting them through.

Again, stuff that doesn't affect me directly. It only indirectly affects me because of the effect it has on the complete in-game environment... less people = less stuff to do = stagnating population.

Berate? Apparently constructive criticism is a term that's completely escaped your grasp. There are valid opinions that you may or may not disagree with.

You also never directly answered this:

You did state:

No, they not only made it easier for cash shoppers, which I don't have an issue with... they also made it much more difficult for the non-cash shoppers... to the extent that many people who previously enjoyed playing this game as a F2P left because most sources of in-game revenue generation were removed. Not to make it easier on cash shoppers, but to make it more difficult on those who chose not to.

Of course, it didn't affect me. I didn't care about the DQ nerf, adding bikinis in the cash shop, devaluing mid and high mats with tokens, devaluing rare molds by increasing the frequency that those bosses were farmed (bh), devaluing apoc pages with tokens, etc...

None of that mattered to me, however the fact is that the population of PWI has significantly decreased since and judging by the direction the sales are taking, their cash shop sales are becoming more and more desperate.

- Person who is so self-righteous that any concern not mirrored by them is invalid and whining.

It's funny seeing you on your high horse... this is the internet and a video game. OMG you're an online GOD that isn't affected by most things mere mortals are here and the peasants who wish to voice an opinion should just shut up and keep their whining to themselves. *pat pat* You get a Scooby snack.

b:bye

I so agree with you there b:cute

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear · January 2011

I remember the good ole days when pwi had SALES the items were cheaper to buy for coin...now?lol

Oh and i remember new characters in start up villages were for the majority new people playing,now its alts...alts...and more alts.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · January 2011

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I remember the good ole days when pwi had SALES the items were cheaper to buy for coin...now?lol

Oh and i remember new characters in start up villages were for the majority new people playing,now its alts...alts...and more alts.

Alts are very important. b:chuckle They help big factions with noob players play good TW by sending them into enemy factions, just cause they dont have skills. Why... I know a fairly big fac that had like 6-7 or more alts spread out to diff. TW factions just between her and her director lol

Airyll - Dreamweaver · January 2011

Before I reply, I will say one thing:

The good old days, for those of us who call them that, are only good to us due to our opinion of the game now in comparison to how it was before. Not all of the veteran players give three craps at the changes to the game, others of the not-so-veteran-but-not-new-players who joined during the transition tend to enjoy the game better now the transition from effectively F2P to F2PbutP2W is over because it's easier for them, and the newest-of-the-new players never complain because they have nothing to compare it to.

I don't think PWI is as good as it used to be. Not necessarily because of packs alone, or TW alone, or anything simply on it's own, but because all of these new updates together have destroyed what this game used to value and replaced it with something else.

FBs used to be valued. People used to value FBs and, as a result of this, they valued working together and helping people. When I was new to the game, people wanted to help you. Yes, they got a benefit from it too, but it felt friendly. People from a guild wanted to help you and show you what their guild was like instead of spamming random invites and praying you would accept them. Helping people was valued, and working together was valued.

A squad made up of four 5aps players, one cleric and one barb for buff support or whatever is not teamwork. Not compared to the teamwork this game used to encourage. Bosses are dead in seconds and there is no real teamwork required when you have so many people with such broken OP endgame gear. Helping people doesn't matter to anybody because all anybody cares about these days is getting their good gear, and **** everybody else.

Making money in this game for new players is immensely difficult. Sure, prices for effectively non-essentials have gotten cheaper, but end-game gear has only gotten increasingly expensive, as has general CS items. New players in this game, if they are not planning to charge, are more than likely to reach mid-level and quit because they can't get the money they need, nor the help they need to farm their gears. Nobody farms anymore unless it's Nirvana, and I find that to be a very sad thing indeed. TT below 3-x is next to worthless because the majority of players have become accustomed to just blowing $$$ and powering to 90. But the fact of the matter is that the people who claim 100% f2p HAVE HAD A HUGE HEAD START. Almost every single one of you 100% f2p people have had a HUGE head start in gathering funds, making friends with the big dogs and playing this game before it went to **** in terms of f2p.

You COULD play this game for free IF you had already saved an immense amount of funds towards that one specific goal. Newer players are proverbially ****ed if they don't intend to charge any money in this game to get anywhere. Most of the big boys will pay no attention to anybody below 80 because that is now a relatively low level and the top dogs of the server will pay you no heed unless you are +10 Nirvana over level 100.

This game has changed, and it's values have gone from helping, teamwork and f2p to greed, solo-farming and charging money.

I for one don't like where this game has gone. I don't play it any more, I barely frequent these forums, and I don't give a flying rat's *** about FW any more either. At one stage I was planning on ditching this game for FW, but the chances of that game getting treatment better than this is slim. I trust this company about as far as I could spit an elephant.

Some people like these changes and hey, good for you. The chances are you were one of those people who started playing this game and saving coin and gold before all this **** came out and collectively ruined the game, right? Yeah, I thought as much. That or you're one of the heavy cash shoppers, right? Yeah, thought as much there too. Whatever floats your boat, but I'm in agreement with the people who say the changes made to this game were for the worse.

Jay_Dubbz - Lost City · January 2011

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Before I reply, I will say one thing:

The good old days, for those of us who call them that, are only good to us due to our opinion of the game now in comparison to how it was before. Not all of the veteran players give three craps at the changes to the game, others of the not-so-veteran-but-not-new-players who joined during the transition tend to enjoy the game better now the transition from effectively F2P to F2PbutP2W is over because it's easier for them, and the newest-of-the-new players never complain because they have nothing to compare it to.

I don't think PWI is as good as it used to be. Not necessarily because of packs alone, or TW alone, or anything simply on it's own, but because all of these new updates together have destroyed what this game used to value and replaced it with something else.

FBs used to be valued. People used to value FBs and, as a result of this, they valued working together and helping people. When I was new to the game, people wanted to help you. Yes, they got a benefit from it too, but it felt friendly. People from a guild wanted to help you and show you what their guild was like instead of spamming random invites and praying you would accept them. Helping people was valued, and working together was valued.

A squad made up of four 5aps players, one cleric and one barb for buff support or whatever is not teamwork. Not compared to the teamwork this game used to encourage. Bosses are dead in seconds and there is no real teamwork required when you have so many people with such broken OP endgame gear. Helping people doesn't matter to anybody because all anybody cares about these days is getting their good gear, and **** everybody else.

Making money in this game for new players is immensely difficult. Sure, prices for effectively non-essentials have gotten cheaper, but end-game gear has only gotten increasingly expensive, as has general CS items. New players in this game, if they are not planning to charge, are more than likely to reach mid-level and quit because they can't get the money they need, nor the help they need to farm their gears. Nobody farms anymore unless it's Nirvana, and I find that to be a very sad thing indeed. TT below 3-x is next to worthless because the majority of players have become accustomed to just blowing $$$ and powering to 90. But the fact of the matter is that the people who claim 100% f2p HAVE HAD A HUGE HEAD START. Almost every single one of you 100% f2p people have had a HUGE head start in gathering funds, making friends with the big dogs and playing this game before it went to **** in terms of f2p.

You COULD play this game for free IF you had already saved an immense amount of funds towards that one specific goal. Newer players are proverbially ****ed if they don't intend to charge any money in this game to get anywhere. Most of the big boys will pay no attention to anybody below 80 because that is now a relatively low level and the top dogs of the server will pay you no heed unless you are +10 Nirvana over level 100.

This game has changed, and it's values have gone from helping, teamwork and f2p to greed, solo-farming and charging money.

I for one don't like where this game has gone. I don't play it any more, I barely frequent these forums, and I don't give a flying rat's *** about FW any more either. At one stage I was planning on ditching this game for FW, but the chances of that game getting treatment better than this is slim. I trust this company about as far as I could spit an elephant.

Some people like these changes and hey, good for you. The chances are you were one of those people who started playing this game and saving coin and gold before all this **** came out and collectively ruined the game, right? Yeah, I thought as much. That or you're one of the heavy cash shoppers, right? Yeah, thought as much there too. Whatever floats your boat, but I'm in agreement with the people who say the changes made to this game were for the worse.

yessss, preach it, amenb:thanks

anwynd · January 2011

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Before I reply, I will say one thing:

The good old days, for those of us who call them that, are only good to us due to our opinion of the game now in comparison to how it was before. Not all of the veteran players give three craps at the changes to the game, others of the not-so-veteran-but-not-new-players who joined during the transition tend to enjoy the game better now the transition from effectively F2P to F2PbutP2W is over because it's easier for them, and the newest-of-the-new players never complain because they have nothing to compare it to.

I don't think PWI is as good as it used to be. Not necessarily because of packs alone, or TW alone, or anything simply on it's own, but because all of these new updates together have destroyed what this game used to value and replaced it with something else.

FBs used to be valued. People used to value FBs and, as a result of this, they valued working together and helping people. When I was new to the game, people wanted to help you. Yes, they got a benefit from it too, but it felt friendly. People from a guild wanted to help you and show you what their guild was like instead of spamming random invites and praying you would accept them. Helping people was valued, and working together was valued.

A squad made up of four 5aps players, one cleric and one barb for buff support or whatever is not teamwork. Not compared to the teamwork this game used to encourage. Bosses are dead in seconds and there is no real teamwork required when you have so many people with such broken OP endgame gear. Helping people doesn't matter to anybody because all anybody cares about these days is getting their good gear, and **** everybody else.

Making money in this game for new players is immensely difficult. Sure, prices for effectively non-essentials have gotten cheaper, but end-game gear has only gotten increasingly expensive, as has general CS items. New players in this game, if they are not planning to charge, are more than likely to reach mid-level and quit because they can't get the money they need, nor the help they need to farm their gears. Nobody farms anymore unless it's Nirvana, and I find that to be a very sad thing indeed. TT below 3-x is next to worthless because the majority of players have become accustomed to just blowing $$$ and powering to 90. But the fact of the matter is that the people who claim 100% f2p HAVE HAD A HUGE HEAD START. Almost every single one of you 100% f2p people have had a HUGE head start in gathering funds, making friends with the big dogs and playing this game before it went to **** in terms of f2p.

You COULD play this game for free IF you had already saved an immense amount of funds towards that one specific goal. Newer players are proverbially ****ed if they don't intend to charge any money in this game to get anywhere. Most of the big boys will pay no attention to anybody below 80 because that is now a relatively low level and the top dogs of the server will pay you no heed unless you are +10 Nirvana over level 100.

This game has changed, and it's values have gone from helping, teamwork and f2p to greed, solo-farming and charging money.

I for one don't like where this game has gone. I don't play it any more, I barely frequent these forums, and I don't give a flying rat's *** about FW any more either. At one stage I was planning on ditching this game for FW, but the chances of that game getting treatment better than this is slim. I trust this company about as far as I could spit an elephant.

Some people like these changes and hey, good for you. The chances are you were one of those people who started playing this game and saving coin and gold before all this **** came out and collectively ruined the game, right? Yeah, I thought as much. That or you're one of the heavy cash shoppers, right? Yeah, thought as much there too. Whatever floats your boat, but I'm in agreement with the people who say the changes made to this game were for the worse.

amen b:cry

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Alts are very important. b:chuckle They help big factions with noob players play good TW by sending them into enemy factions, just cause they dont have skills. Why... I know a fairly big fac that had like 6-7 or more alts spread out to diff. TW factions just between her and her director lol

Lol,surprising there's still some care enough about tw.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · January 2011

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

i see more and more pple who dont play the game as much as they used to, but still clinging to the forums like a dead lover

Clinging? Stopping by for a few minutes a day is clinging? Hmm... lemme do some checking.

13k posts at a music forum I was active at from 2002-2008. Odd, I remember having over 16k posts there. A few forums must have been deleted.

2.3k posts on a computer forum I've been active on since 2007.

6.9k posts on a firearms forum I've been active on since 2006 and 1k+ on another.

And a number of other sites with 500-1k posts on... most of which I haven't been on in a while.

I'm fairly confident that I can say I enjoy message boards?

Knownase - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Before I reply, I will say one thing:

The good old days, for those of us who call them that, are only good to us due to our opinion of the game now in comparison to how it was before. Not all of the veteran players give three craps at the changes to the game, others of the not-so-veteran-but-not-new-players who joined during the transition tend to enjoy the game better now the transition from effectively F2P to F2PbutP2W is over because it's easier for them, and the newest-of-the-new players never complain because they have nothing to compare it to.

I don't think PWI is as good as it used to be. Not necessarily because of packs alone, or TW alone, or anything simply on it's own, but because all of these new updates together have destroyed what this game used to value and replaced it with something else.

FBs used to be valued. People used to value FBs and, as a result of this, they valued working together and helping people. When I was new to the game, people wanted to help you. Yes, they got a benefit from it too, but it felt friendly. People from a guild wanted to help you and show you what their guild was like instead of spamming random invites and praying you would accept them. Helping people was valued, and working together was valued.

A squad made up of four 5aps players, one cleric and one barb for buff support or whatever is not teamwork. Not compared to the teamwork this game used to encourage. Bosses are dead in seconds and there is no real teamwork required when you have so many people with such broken OP endgame gear. Helping people doesn't matter to anybody because all anybody cares about these days is getting their good gear, and **** everybody else.

Making money in this game for new players is immensely difficult. Sure, prices for effectively non-essentials have gotten cheaper, but end-game gear has only gotten increasingly expensive, as has general CS items. New players in this game, if they are not planning to charge, are more than likely to reach mid-level and quit because they can't get the money they need, nor the help they need to farm their gears. Nobody farms anymore unless it's Nirvana, and I find that to be a very sad thing indeed. TT below 3-x is next to worthless because the majority of players have become accustomed to just blowing $$$ and powering to 90. But the fact of the matter is that the people who claim 100% f2p HAVE HAD A HUGE HEAD START. Almost every single one of you 100% f2p people have had a HUGE head start in gathering funds, making friends with the big dogs and playing this game before it went to **** in terms of f2p.

You COULD play this game for free IF you had already saved an immense amount of funds towards that one specific goal. Newer players are proverbially ****ed if they don't intend to charge any money in this game to get anywhere. Most of the big boys will pay no attention to anybody below 80 because that is now a relatively low level and the top dogs of the server will pay you no heed unless you are +10 Nirvana over level 100.

This game has changed, and it's values have gone from helping, teamwork and f2p to greed, solo-farming and charging money.

I for one don't like where this game has gone. I don't play it any more, I barely frequent these forums, and I don't give a flying rat's *** about FW any more either. At one stage I was planning on ditching this game for FW, but the chances of that game getting treatment better than this is slim. I trust this company about as far as I could spit an elephant.

Some people like these changes and hey, good for you. The chances are you were one of those people who started playing this game and saving coin and gold before all this **** came out and collectively ruined the game, right? Yeah, I thought as much. That or you're one of the heavy cash shoppers, right? Yeah, thought as much there too. Whatever floats your boat, but I'm in agreement with the people who say the changes made to this game were for the worse.

Yup, this is very much true.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

i see more and more pple who dont play the game as much as they used to, but still clinging to the forums like a dead lover

So true. Although, I wouldn't use lover to describe it.. more like hopelessly obsessed. b:laugh

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide · January 2011

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Before I reply, I will say one thing:

The good old days, for those of us who call them that, are only good to us due to our opinion of the game now in comparison to how it was before. Not all of the veteran players give three craps at the changes to the game, others of the not-so-veteran-but-not-new-players who joined during the transition tend to enjoy the game better now the transition from effectively F2P to F2PbutP2W is over because it's easier for them, and the newest-of-the-new players never complain because they have nothing to compare it to.

I don't think PWI is as good as it used to be. Not necessarily because of packs alone, or TW alone, or anything simply on it's own, but because all of these new updates together have destroyed what this game used to value and replaced it with something else.

FBs used to be valued. People used to value FBs and, as a result of this, they valued working together and helping people. When I was new to the game, people wanted to help you. Yes, they got a benefit from it too, but it felt friendly. People from a guild wanted to help you and show you what their guild was like instead of spamming random invites and praying you would accept them. Helping people was valued, and working together was valued.

A squad made up of four 5aps players, one cleric and one barb for buff support or whatever is not teamwork. Not compared to the teamwork this game used to encourage. Bosses are dead in seconds and there is no real teamwork required when you have so many people with such broken OP endgame gear. Helping people doesn't matter to anybody because all anybody cares about these days is getting their good gear, and **** everybody else.

Making money in this game for new players is immensely difficult. Sure, prices for effectively non-essentials have gotten cheaper, but end-game gear has only gotten increasingly expensive, as has general CS items. New players in this game, if they are not planning to charge, are more than likely to reach mid-level and quit because they can't get the money they need, nor the help they need to farm their gears. Nobody farms anymore unless it's Nirvana, and I find that to be a very sad thing indeed. TT below 3-x is next to worthless because the majority of players have become accustomed to just blowing $$$ and powering to 90. But the fact of the matter is that the people who claim 100% f2p HAVE HAD A HUGE HEAD START. Almost every single one of you 100% f2p people have had a HUGE head start in gathering funds, making friends with the big dogs and playing this game before it went to **** in terms of f2p.

You COULD play this game for free IF you had already saved an immense amount of funds towards that one specific goal. Newer players are proverbially ****ed if they don't intend to charge any money in this game to get anywhere. Most of the big boys will pay no attention to anybody below 80 because that is now a relatively low level and the top dogs of the server will pay you no heed unless you are +10 Nirvana over level 100.

This game has changed, and it's values have gone from helping, teamwork and f2p to greed, solo-farming and charging money.

I for one don't like where this game has gone. I don't play it any more, I barely frequent these forums, and I don't give a flying rat's *** about FW any more either. At one stage I was planning on ditching this game for FW, but the chances of that game getting treatment better than this is slim. I trust this company about as far as I could spit an elephant.

Some people like these changes and hey, good for you. The chances are you were one of those people who started playing this game and saving coin and gold before all this **** came out and collectively ruined the game, right? Yeah, I thought as much. That or you're one of the heavy cash shoppers, right? Yeah, thought as much there too. Whatever floats your boat, but I'm in agreement with the people who say the changes made to this game were for the worse.

Amen,you are my hero(ine). b:victory

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So true. Although, I wouldn't use lover to describe it.. more like hopelessly obsessed. b:laugh

*points below*

"Cpt. Obvious Team- they will teach you, that PWE is company - which need to earn money (orly? yarly! no wai..), and PWI is mmo - which need to evolve. This means, that you shouldn't ever complain about any in-game change, because they were implemented with a good reason.
Cpt Obvious Team member is marketer's wet dream: customer who won't ever complain and even will tell others to not to (because it is somehow uncool or -optionally- gtfo!!rage!rage1rage!1).
Nobody is sure why Cpt. Obvious, react so strong at other's complaining. One theory says, that he/she is an IRL ex-QQer, with 'i-wont-ever-complain-and-will-move-on!' attitude. Other theory, is about their abusive grandparents, beating them up, because 'complains dont feed'.

Debate: Pointless, they always use same two arguments, even if it dont 'fit' conversation or someone point them as invalid. Seems, that they don't understand, what 'evolution' really means and that in any bussiness, where quality has a high value, complaining customer is a gift, not a disease.
Trolling: They are pretty good at trolling themselves, so just leave them alone with that."

Did I get it right?

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · January 2011

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »

"Cpt. Obvious Team- they will teach you, that PWE is company - which need to earn money (orly? yarly! no wai..), and PWI is mmo - which need to evolve. This means, that you shouldn't ever complain about any in-game change, because they were implemented with a good reason.
Cpt Obvious Team member is marketer's wet dream: customer who won't ever complain and even will tell others to not to (because it is somehow uncool or -optionally- gtfo!!rage!rage1rage!1).
Nobody is sure why Cpt. Obvious, react so strong at other's complaining. One theory says, that he/she is an IRL ex-QQer, with 'i-wont-ever-complain-and-will-move-on!' attitude. Other theory, is about their abusive grandparents, beating them up, because 'complains dont feed'.

Debate: Pointless, they always use same two arguments, even if it dont 'fit' conversation or someone point them as invalid. Seems, that they don't understand, what 'evolution' really means and that in any bussiness, where quality has a high value, complaining customer is a gift, not a disease.
Trolling: They are pretty good at trolling themselves, so just leave them alone with that."

Did I get it right?

Hmm, if you can grasp a very simple answer, no, not even remotely close. I'm pretty sure someone with a very simple "the beatings will continue until morale improves" mentality doesn't really fit with my arguments. Of course, you clearly haven't followed much of my posts, because indeed PWI does get criticism from my part, lots of it, but from their end, where one stops taking criticism seriously, or in your erroneous claim "complaining customer is a gift", perpetual complaining customer who continuously buys into or uses said product turns into "not much of a concern customer".

There's a difference in complaining to a company, and continuously whining. F2P industry is used to a barrage of complaints, so they will fix what their extremely limited resources can fix, or they won't. If you look to the expansion and you don't see things like rubber banding, like the RB "1K" glitch, and other things fixed, then obviously don't count on it ever happening. Packs, and all that, they're here for good. Dunno why anyone would still be complaining about the same thing that was complained about by a minority of users for a year and a half roughly, when people speak with their wallets and in fact buy said packs in large volumes. They clearly are not going in the direction of perpetual QQ. This is where a smart person learns to either a) enjoy the game for the limited purpose it serves, or b) kindly bugger off (more for their sake than anyone else's) and maybe find a game that's actually fun for them.

Although, because of your "complaining customer is a gift" mentality, I fully expect that when a company you do business with doesn't listen to your every wishes, you spend countless hours picketing outside their offices/corporate HQ giving them the gift of a waste of time, and probably a laugh. Reality though isn't as convenient as your fiction, so indeed the very first thing I expect is to hear about how I'm in love with PWI and don't like to read anyone complaining.

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide · January 2011

Roseary - Sanctuary wrote: »

PWI was never good.

if yer bein sarcastic, then i agree, but if yer serious, then up yours.

yeah, the good ol' days were nice, back in the beginning, when gold was cheaper, and blah blah, blah, you've heard it a million times, i'm not gonna repeat it.

the problem isn't that the pwi developers are skrewing up the game. it's just that they arent sencoring it enough anymore, so people are free to be *******s. start silencing some people scuzzin up w/c again, start closing down shops that are taking advantage of new players. just do stuff like that, and when the *******s leave, or are straightened the hell out, the game will slowly come back to being a nice game.

oh, and revert TW back to what it waz before you nerfed it, and nerf the *** outta 5.0 aps plz...

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · January 2011

WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide wrote: »

if yer bein sarcastic, then i agree, but if yer serious, then up yours.

yeah, the good ol' days were nice, back in the beginning, when gold was cheaper, and blah blah, blah, you've heard it a million times, i'm not gonna repeat it.

the problem isn't that the pwi developers are skrewing up the game. it's just that they arent sencoring it enough anymore, so people are free to be *******s. start silencing some people scuzzin up w/c again, start closing down shops that are taking advantage of new players. just do stuff like that, and when the *******s leave, or are straightened the hell out, the game will slowly come back to being a nice game.

oh, and revert TW back to what it waz before you nerfed it, and nerf the *** outta 5.0 aps plz...

So now the problem is PWI isn't forcing people to be friendly..

I wish perpetual QQ people would make up their mind. In another topic going on it's hypers thats the problem, high level noobs, it's bugs, it's sales, it's TW, it's PVE, it's PVP.. it's catering to P2P user who keeps their business running.. now it's they don't babysit people's behavior? And you wonder why PWI doesn't listen to a good portion of constant forum complainers? Their position is, let you complain your head off until you finally are smart enough to move on.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · January 2011

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

stuff

you obviously misinterpret reasoning of QQ on forums.

i dont QQ hoping, that pw gonna fix game, after reading my post. im not that mad

it was stated many times before - that it is just for PR purposes.

players like me, do some research, before they decide to play sucha time-consuming game. hopefuly, they will come to these forums and read about all flaws of the game

i know, i dont have power to scare off 50% of playerbase from pw, but im just that kind of helpful person, who like to inform other players

beside (and most important) QQ topics are about valid issues.
they are not made up.
this alone, is enough good reason for them to exist.

sure, some people are biased, when they write - but forum is open discussion, you can always correct them

and.. forums are my playground. i like to read few people posts here; meet some friends from game and i like to chat, with you b:pleased

dont seek for signs of mental diseases or some bitter envy, behind my posts

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you obviously misinterpret reasoning of QQ on forums.

i dont QQ hoping, that pw gonna fix game, after reading my post. im not that mad

it was stated many times before - that it is just for PR purposes.

players like me, do some research, before they decide to play sucha time-consuming game. hopefuly, they will come to these forums and read about all flaws of the game

i know, i dont have power to scare off 50% of playerbase from pw, but im just that kind of helpful person, who like to inform other players

beside (and most important) QQ topics are about valid issues.
they are not made up.
this alone, is enough good reason for them to exist.

sure, some people are biased, when they write - but forum is open discussion, you can always correct them

and.. forums are my playground. i like to read few people posts here. i meet some peepz from the game. i like to chat, with you b:pleased

dont seek for signs pf mental diseases or some bitter envy, behind my posts

I'm pretty sure in the near two years I've played that little has changed in the game's bottom line. They let people play for free, but they cater to people who make their existence possible and hopefully, in their case, as luxurious as possible. This is a F2P standard they've consistently followed.

Where you are fighting futility is thinking the forums are going to ward off any useful amount of users. If anything, you're going to, in reverse, make people think this game is actually very populated and they should see for themselves.

Of course, we can debate what are "valid issues" when we've got a large swath of complaints ranging from PWI needing to babysit people to make sure they are "nicer" to people to "PWI needs to fix bugs" "nerf sins" "nerf aps" "nerf rank 9" and everything in between. It looks like valid to forum user is ambiguous for almost anything that one happens to be irritated by their mood swing in that particular day.

There's no misinterpreting the reasons for QQ, however, it is pointing out that the effect you're after is highly flawed and is more likely to backfire than succeed. The last sentence is rather funny.. are you worried about it? :P

Hhlolz - Harshlands · January 2011

Back in the days when people pvped for air grind spots.
Back in the days when people zhenned for ''fast and easy exp''
Back in the days when HH was worth the time because mats were at a good price
Back in the days when misty forest rings were 8-12m ea
Back in the days when there was no rubberbanding
Back in the days where you could actually grind your herc or w/e
Back in the days where +10 was impossible
Back in the days when nobody had r8
Back in the days where it all depended on how much free time u had and not how much $$$
Back in the days of bots
Back in the days when pvp was ****** fun
Back in the days when this game was fun and had me playing like most of the day

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · January 2011

1) there was bigger dependance of cashshoper from farmer. farming abilities are being nerfed constantly. there are some good updates, but they dont make up for whole loss

2) i dont agree.. people do read (and take into consideration) 'reviews' of other players. just gotta fliter fanboys and haters.

3) someone wrote (some time ago) on forums, that it is not surprising when there is big explosion of rage, if so much frustration amoung players is built (and no, it wasnt a QQer).

do people over-rage? sure, but im not surprised either.

people like to whine, it is in their nature. there was QQ always.
but now, fact that there is more and more constant QQ proves something imo (and no, not that people became more whiny).

and am i worried about my mental stability? you doubt in it so many times... =[

Whatever happened to the good ol' days.

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