This is why a herc - soloing

MageMERC - Harshlands
MageMERC - Harshlands Posts: 1,600 Arc User
edited February 2011 in Venomancer
My veno and herc are level 70. Veno is not charmed and crappy gear in general.

Just soloed Raged Wraith Chief, Yan the Traitor and Silver Frost.

Took a while and maybe 100 apoth mp pots, but overall much quicker than trying to find squads for these things.

Thats all.
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  • Aniella - Harshlands
    Aniella - Harshlands Posts: 729 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Well herc is good 4 soloing bosses, 99% of the buffs! and it get more hp x lvls. Herc w/o buff have same deff as other tank pets. but it still got 1k more hp tho
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    QQ If i did Crazy stone at 3x AND not 6x, i had been lvl 105 now!
    Didnt know about Bh/CrazyStone before lvl 6x LOL
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »
    My veno and herc are level 70. Veno is not charmed and crappy gear in general.

    Just soloed Raged Wraith Chief, Yan the Traitor and Silver Frost.

    Took a while and maybe 100 apoth mp pots, but overall much quicker than trying to find squads for these things.

    Thats all.

    ignoring above post , cause herc has the good thing that all of his skills are maxed and still his stats are somehow better than other tank pets Especially his "attack per second" or speed ....

    U will find urself being able to do much much more . Good luck with ur pet
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  • Silest - Sanctuary
    Silest - Sanctuary Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »
    Well herc is good 4 soloing bosses, 99% of the buffs! and it get more hp x lvls. Herc w/o buff have same deff as other tank pets. but it still got 1k more hp tho

    Noobmancer.
  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Silest - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Noobmancer.

    lol. Cute new siggy btw. b:cute

    --

    Grats on the accomplishment MageMERC. Just wait until you're soloing the other bosses in the past maps for OHT culti and some of your own fb's. Easier to find a squad for some of them, but can definitely be a rush if you make one of the runs solo. :)
  • Mr_Bitesalot - Sanctuary
    Mr_Bitesalot - Sanctuary Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »
    Well herc is good 4 soloing bosses, 99% of the buffs! and it get more hp x lvls. Herc w/o buff have same deff as other tank pets. but it still got 1k more hp tho
    Silest - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Noobmancer.
    Thats quite a fact all venos here should know :)

    b:bye
  • Aniella - Harshlands
    Aniella - Harshlands Posts: 729 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    If u say so..lets see here:

    well u see now .. what buffs realy do w pets^^ its not like herc have 2k more magdef and pdef...So buffs do realy much of the work..on any pets atm..

    Point was ..that buff has a imporntant part in tank pet.

    herc's def w/o buff(lvl 100) =

    Hp: 4585
    Pdef 9952
    Mdef: 7961
    Acc: 2547
    Dogle: 1358

    Well a GW lvl 100- cuz its 2th best tank pet..as i know..

    Hp: 3553
    Pdef 9772
    Mdef 7166
    Acc 1501
    Dogle: 1112

    Bear little 1(100):

    Hp: 3499
    Pdef 8460
    Mdef 8460
    Acc 1833
    Dogle: 1444
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    QQ If i did Crazy stone at 3x AND not 6x, i had been lvl 105 now!
    Didnt know about Bh/CrazyStone before lvl 6x LOL
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    My Nix soloed Yangsheng... And Farng. And Florafang. And oneshot Kun Kun (I loled very hard).

    I don't farm instances, and I've got a Shaodu Cub, so I'm holding off on a Herc for now. I'll find something to farm somewhere and make the coins for a herc, since on Sanctuary, they're pushing Herc prices over the 200 mil mark again already.
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  • Waterfal - Sanctuary
    Waterfal - Sanctuary Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Congratz on your herc ^-^ I myself am still amazed sometimes with what my herc is capable of :) I love to help people out with it and can solo most of the bosses I get ^^

    Have fun and good luck with your herc :)


    [ignores noobmancers posts]
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Thanks Silvychar for the awesome sig :3

    Characters:
    waterfal - lvl 90 demon ferrari veno
    Hazumi_chan - lvl 9x sage seeker
  • Oniryuu - Heavens Tear
    Oniryuu - Heavens Tear Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Congrats! Hercs a lovely pet, I think he's totally worth it and at times, I just wanna huggle Nix. ;)



    On another note, lol.
  • Lenley - Dreamweaver
    Lenley - Dreamweaver Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »
    My veno and herc are level 70. Veno is not charmed and crappy gear in general.

    Just soloed Raged Wraith Chief, Yan the Traitor and Silver Frost.

    Took a while and maybe 100 apoth mp pots, but overall much quicker than trying to find squads for these things.

    Thats all.

    Yan is extremely easy to solo with an Eldergoth, just saying. Grats on the other two though.

    Also, I'm just wondering 'cuz I never bothered with them, but are mp apoth pots cheaper or more effective somehow than using Soul Transfusion followed by hp pots or Second Wind? I can see it being the case if you've got a lot of vit, but how about for a pure mag veno? Anyone done any research on it?
  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Lenley - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Also, I'm just wondering 'cuz I never bothered with them, but are mp apoth pots cheaper or more effective somehow than using Soul Transfusion followed by hp pots or Second Wind? I can see it being the case if you've got a lot of vit, but how about for a pure mag veno? Anyone done any research on it?

    Short Version:

    If you're below 75, apoth will definitely be helpful. From 75 up, you can get hp and especially mp food dirt cheap.

    Long Version:

    If you have the cleric's hp/mp recovery buff, then replenishment pots may be more helpful. (Although powders will give you a higher recovery.) If you have a cleric there, Soul Transfusion followed by couple Wellspring Surges give you almost unlimited mana (for both characters if it's okay to have your cleric sit for awhile). Second Wind really only cuts it if either the genie is high str (big heal) or high vit/mag (more spammable). Although the cooldown on Second Wind makes it somewhat ineffective, in my experience at least. If you want to use a genie heal for this, I'd go with Tree of Protection, since it's easier to get a strong heal from that.

    If you have the time to cast them, Nature's Grace and Metabolic Boost can be used with Soul Transfusion for effective free mp recovery.

    Apoth pots are better suited in lower levels, in my opinion, because they'll be on the same cooldown as all other apoth items. If you're in a tight situation, it's more worth it to pop a HY and still be able to use an Ironguard Powder. The same applies to genie skills, It's better to be able to use Absolute Domain when needed than to be tying up your genie with healing your mp bar.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Yeah - second wind is more of an "OMG EMERGENCY HEAL ME NOW" skill than a cheap way to regain health/mana.

    Though saying that, with soul transfuse, it is just about the ONLY way to gain mana from a genie; so if your apo timer and all your potions are on cooldown it could be useful.

    But if you've managed that, wow.
  • Hhlolz - Harshlands
    Hhlolz - Harshlands Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Looks ike some of you dont understand the games basics....
    Herc was good when HH was good money and when nobody heard of interval BMs/archers.
    Nowadays, hercs are worthless... i have one with hp buff, myself i have about -40% channeling and 8k base m attack.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    Edit: when herc was the best DD for HH.
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  • Mauntille - Heavens Tear
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear Posts: 694 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Hhlolz - Harshlands wrote: »
    Looks ike some of you dont understand the games basics....
    Herc was good when HH was good money and when nobody heard of interval BMs/archers.
    Nowadays, hercs are worthless... i have one with hp buff, myself i have about -40% channeling and 8k base m attack.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    Edit: when herc was the best DD for HH.

    OP talked about soloing bosses for quests...for themselves and potentially for others. No one solo's the Raged Wraith Chief because there's good profit to be had in killing him.

    Hercs can still be "worth" it, depending on how you classify worth.

    Oh, and whoever said that hercs only made/make money in TT? There are other places they earn their cost.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Hhlolz - Harshlands wrote: »
    Looks ike some of you dont understand the games basics....
    Herc was good when HH was good money and when nobody heard of interval BMs/archers.
    Nowadays, hercs are worthless... i have one with hp buff, myself i have about -40% channeling and 8k base m attack.
    Correct me if im wrong.

    Edit: when herc was the best DD for HH.

    You're so out of touch with the game that you're using HH and really shouldn't be giving such advice. Hercs are worth every penny and continue to pay themselves off.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh, and whoever said that hercs only made/make money in TT? There are other places they earn their cost.

    Very willing to believe you, but would appreciate a hint as to where.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »
    Well herc is good 4 soloing bosses, 99% of the buffs! and it get more hp x lvls. Herc w/o buff have same deff as other tank pets. but it still got 1k more hp tho

    This shows how little you know of herc as they always come with lvl5 buffs when hatched.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Very willing to believe you, but would appreciate a hint as to where.
    Keep it secret, the lesser amount of people doing what you doing, the higher the profit.

    - http://www.perfectworld.com/blog/?p=189841

    Though you don't even have to do anything special with a Herc for it to pay for itself.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • SarraCrit - Sanctuary
    SarraCrit - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    tweakz wrote: »
    You're so out of touch with the game that you're using HH and really shouldn't be giving such advice. Hercs are worth every penny and continue to pay themselves off.

    At 180+Million, it's kind of hard to justify that kind of in-game coin.

    A herc is epic. But it's lacking the ability to REALLY hold aggro. I can pull aggro off a Herc on my archer, quite easily. And if I have aggro on my archer, a herc isn't going to pull it off me. A Barb, on the other hand, has skills to reset aggro, and take aggro. This is of course comparing a similar level veno/herc to a similar level archer.

    On the flip side, if I REALLY try, it's a constant battle for the Barb to keep aggro over me. b:surrender

    I may be using my Nix to farm a Herc. But not at these prices. Ridiculous.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    SarraCrit - Sanctuary wrote: »
    At 180+Million, it's kind of hard to justify that kind of in-game coin.

    A herc is epic. But it's lacking the ability to REALLY hold aggro. I can pull aggro off a Herc on my archer, quite easily. And if I have aggro on my archer, a herc isn't going to pull it off me. A Barb, on the other hand, has skills to reset aggro, and take aggro. This is of course comparing a similar level veno/herc to a similar level archer.

    On the flip side, if I REALLY try, it's a constant battle for the Barb to keep aggro over me. b:surrender

    I may be using my Nix to farm a Herc. But not at these prices. Ridiculous.

    How much does it cost to refine a weapon to +10 from just +5? Will the weapon scale with you? Making up silly aggro scenarios isn't a good argument against a Herc. Most suitable tank is most suitable tank. Sure, there are plenty of good reasons not to get a Herc, but basically they don't include playing a veno.
    Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.
  • AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary
    AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary Posts: 555 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Also, it isn't Lacking the ability to hold aggro. it's abilities are fine

    DD's lacking the ability to grasp the concept of: *big bad monster* + *I R uber powerfull raaaawr* = *wai i die?* is whats making the difference.
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Also, it isn't Lacking the ability to hold aggro. it's abilities are fine

    DD's lacking the ability to grasp the concept of: *big bad monster* + *I R uber powerfull raaaawr* = *wai i die?* is whats making the difference.

    this , this and this , on a 20x3 i have never stolen aggro with my archer from a lvl 95 herc without my wish. When though i saw that a mob was at 1/3 health i went rampage on it and took it near immediately ( herc was attacking it as well) i stole aggro but i killed it quickly
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    <--- MALE Veno ..... Moved to G W 2 or maybe not completely , don't know ...... PW addiction
    {That TT xbow chain is one that describes someone's bowel movements after having too much spicy food. A loud **** (Thundercrack), then a burning sensation (Flash Fire), followed by an explosion of multi-colored poo-confetti (Blinding Radiance). Excellent...} By Quilue
  • Animal_Pein - Dreamweaver
    Animal_Pein - Dreamweaver Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Also, of course, in TT, since the bosses are level [?] all damage is nerfed, except pets. Adding the bash skill on the herc as well as just having high damage from no nerf, it can hold aggro in TT. Also, it allows for you to be able to solo (so there are no other people to steal aggro, anyway)
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    SarraCrit - Sanctuary wrote: »
    A herc is epic. But it's lacking the ability to REALLY hold aggro. I can pull aggro off a Herc on my archer, quite easily. And if I have aggro on my archer, a herc isn't going to pull it off me.

    I think that that actually depends on the boss, and on the herc, and on you, and on how you play.

    Anyone can pull aggro off a herc fighting an archer (like the first boss in hallucinatory trench). But pulling aggro off of something that has a hard hitting melee attack takes some doing (it's possible, like with 5aps, for example, but you will have to have gear which has considerably higher value than the herc itself). And even there, if the herc has roar the herc can pull aggro back off of you (though roar is useless for actually holding aggro). And... so on...

    Anyways, aggro issues can be complicated.
  • Aniella - Harshlands
    Aniella - Harshlands Posts: 729 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    xD Remeber me, when i and sis did tt2-2-last boss.. lol we was 3 in squad and archer(did not use any skills and lower lvl arrows) stole ago and died all the time - LOL
    I and sis are venos atm
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    QQ If i did Crazy stone at 3x AND not 6x, i had been lvl 105 now!
    Didnt know about Bh/CrazyStone before lvl 6x LOL
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »
    xD Remeber me, when i and sis did tt2-2-last boss.. lol we was 3 in squad and archer(did not use any skills and lower lvl arrows) stole ago and died all the time - LOL
    I and sis are venos atm

    It was the archer's Fault , Aggro mechanics is sth every DD class should learn
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    <--- MALE Veno ..... Moved to G W 2 or maybe not completely , don't know ...... PW addiction
    {That TT xbow chain is one that describes someone's bowel movements after having too much spicy food. A loud **** (Thundercrack), then a burning sensation (Flash Fire), followed by an explosion of multi-colored poo-confetti (Blinding Radiance). Excellent...} By Quilue
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited February 2011
    SarraCrit - Sanctuary wrote: »
    At 180+Million, it's kind of hard to justify that kind of in-game coin.

    A herc is epic. But it's lacking the ability to REALLY hold aggro. I can pull aggro off a Herc on my archer, quite easily. And if I have aggro on my archer, a herc isn't going to pull it off me. A Barb, on the other hand, has skills to reset aggro, and take aggro. This is of course comparing a similar level veno/herc to a similar level archer.

    On the flip side, if I REALLY try, it's a constant battle for the Barb to keep aggro over me. b:surrender

    I may be using my Nix to farm a Herc. But not at these prices. Ridiculous.

    Herc would hold aggro and you couldn't steal it from them if not then the Ai can read your hp and go after you.I doubt you would be able to steal aggro off a herc.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.

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