A few questions for wizzies please

Galliteya - Heavens Tear · January 2011

I've been on pwi for about a week now heehee^^ and have a 20 veno. But I don't see many wizards at all. I see so many venos and psychics. Is there something wrong with wizards? I made one but havn't started it yet. I know they wear arcane. But do they get any buffs that will help them stay alive longer? This girl doesn't like to die lol if I can help it. What is the build for wizards as far as stats go. 1str and 9mag like the guide says. Some said do 7mag 2vit 1str to help with health problems.

I'm really thinking of trying this caster type. But want to put together some more info before I do. It was either this or a psychic. I used to play a mage in wow. Are wizards like them? What skills do you did you put for your genie?

So to ask so many questions as I'm still learning. b:surrender b:cute

Ursa - Dreamweaver · January 2011

I would say read the sticky topics, but most of them are outdated in a way or another.

What's wrong with wizards?
Below lvl 100, an average wizard has:
- no relevant damage.
- no relevant defense.
- no relevant skills to stay alive
- no squad buffs

Up until a month ago, I would have said the gameplay changes at 90.
At that point you could have had:
- relevant defense
the rest of "no xxxxxxx" still remains.

Now, because of the recent Rank8 sale, that's not the case.
Any +4 +5 rank8 weapon has the damage output of a +10 lunar. +10 Lunar basically 1 shots a lvl 90 geared char... Higher refined r8 makes the job even easier.

The description of the Wizard is "magic damage dealer".
Unfortunately, the -interval classes nullified all that. Any -interval build char will outdamage a wizard by a factor of 5 at least.

The only place where wizards have an uncontested place is TW. But to be competitive there, you need to have endgame gear, that means at least 8k HP , more than 15k magic attk, +12k pdef/mdef. Without those stats you just leech kills with the gear ppl have right now.

I know you won't understand much of what I said, but well....read around , figure out the terminology and then you'll understand

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Galliteya - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've been on pwi for about a week now heehee^^ and have a 20 veno. But I don't see many wizards at all. I see so many venos and psychics. Is there something wrong with wizards? I made one but havn't started it yet. I know they wear arcane. But do they get any buffs that will help them stay alive longer? This girl doesn't like to die lol if I can help it. What is the build for wizards as far as stats go. 1str and 9mag like the guide says. Some said do 7mag 2vit 1str to help with health problems.

I'm really thinking of trying this caster type. But want to put together some more info before I do. It was either this or a psychic. I used to play a mage in wow. Are wizards like them? What skills do you did you put for your genie?

So to ask so many questions as I'm still learning. b:surrender b:cute

Easy word. wizard is not necessary for anything in this game. It used to be different but by the time wizard became useless thanks to unbalance between classes. Developers FAILURE.

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · January 2011

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wizards are fun, especially in TW.

DONT make one on an older server or a pvp server

DONT expect to be needed in any squad - ever

DONT expect to be formidable in pvp, its possible, but not likely

DONT expect to not have to put rl$ into the game

DONT expect to be able to play uncharmed

DONT listen to pearlwoods "rah rah wizzies are great" post which is sure to follow.

Miss me?

Ursa - Dreamweaver · January 2011

nah, no one misses nubs, we have lots.
lol

Adroit - Lost City · January 2011

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

wizards are fun, especially in TW.

DONT make one on an older server or a pvp server

DONT expect to be needed in any squad - ever

DONT expect to be formidable in pvp, its possible, but not likely

DONT expect to not have to put rl$ into the game

DONT expect to be able to play uncharmed

DONT listen to pearlwoods "rah rah wizzies are great" post which is sure to follow.

Miss me?

not at all

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · January 2011

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

not at all

aint that charm done yet? b:angry

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver · January 2011

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

wizards are fun, especially in TW.

DONT make one on an older server or a pvp server

DONT expect to be needed in any squad - ever

DONT expect to be formidable in pvp, its possible, but not likely

DONT expect to not have to put rl$ into the game

DONT expect to be able to play uncharmed

DONT listen to pearlwoods "rah rah wizzies are great" post which is sure to follow.

Miss me?

I get asked for delta alot (delta high waves), the only zen I charged was for fly mount and other luxarys, and I'm never charmed exept for those high waves of delta, in fact I HATE being charmed

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · January 2011

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I get asked for delta alot (delta high waves), the only zen I charged was for fly mount and other luxarys, and I'm never charmed exept for those high waves of delta, in fact I HATE being charmed

Yes yes, I make general statements and of course people point out the exceptions.

There, i fixed the original post for you.

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver · January 2011

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Yes yes, I make general statements and of course people point out the exceptions.

There, i fixed the original post for you.

You said it like there's no exeption, and that you have no choise but being charmed (for example)
I'm pointed out that it's uber easy to play uncharmed

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · January 2011

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You said it like there's no exeption, and that you have no choise but being charmed (for example)
I'm pointed out that it's uber easy to play uncharmed

Your first few runs through frost covered city were uncharmed? Interesting.

Your first few times in BH 69 uncharmed? Interesting.

You pk uncharmed? Interesting.

You TW uncharmed? Interesting.

I don't necessarily believe you, but I do find the statements interesting.

Generally speaking, everything I said is absolutely true for the majority of wizards playing the game.

If you prefer to play uncharmed, great. If you prefer to play in pink pokadot boxer shorts, thats great too.

I don't see what either of those proclivities has to do with anything the OP was asking about.

Adroit - Lost City · January 2011

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

aint that charm done yet? b:angry

nope, the plan was to save it for TWs.. but TWs blow again so I might just go pk the rest of them off. I had like 400k + another plat charm.. and a day or so after I said I was gonna leave when my charm was gone I got mail from someone I don't even know that sent me a plat charm with a message saying they hoped this would make me stay longer. I'm guessing it was an alt of someone I know, but nonetheless I have 2 full plat charms sitting in my inventory atm. I'll prolly be bored one day and go use them up :P

BTW if the person that sent me the charm is reading this..

b:thanks

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver · January 2011

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Your first few runs through frost covered city were uncharmed? Interesting. I was on the first run, just happened to have left over charm from a gamma run. Saw alot of needles bos insta ticks and no use at all on mobs. Never again after that. Besides I got expel after a few runs wich randered even the last use for a charm, aggro on the pull, useles. Not that a charm would save me if the full big room pull would poke me at the same time

Your first few times in BH 69 uncharmed? Interesting. Why the hell would a wiz need a charm in any BH exept maybe 3-3 or wave3?

You pk uncharmed? Interesting. I find PK boring so I don't do it (just standing at OT waiting for a duel with charms enabled is not my definition of fun, I rather grind than that)

You TW uncharmed? Interesting. Ok your win there. TW against Regenisis without a charm is basicly making yourself useles. But than again that also counts for psys, BMs, sins, venos, archers, barbs, clerics (I have all classes now right?)

I don't necessarily believe you, but I do find the statements interesting.

Generally speaking, everything I said is absolutely true for the majority of wizards playing the game.

If you prefer to play uncharmed, great. If you prefer to play in pink pokadot boxer shorts, thats great too.

I don't see what either of those proclivities has to do with anything the OP was asking about.

The last time I died outside of an instance/goofing around with bosses/being PK'd was a long time ago. I have yet to find a mob that can kill me 1v1, or for most melee mobs even 4v1

EDIT: WOW that color was horribble

Galliteya - Heavens Tear · January 2011

I didn't mean to cause an argument with my post. b:sad I was just reading each of the class forums and thought I'd ask about this one. I'm loving veno but I do tend to like to try other classes. But what you all are basicly saying is wizzies aren't needed. That is really sad. b:cry Guess I won't level mine. I'll just use her for bank space. b:surrender

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur · January 2011

Galliteya - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I didn't mean to cause an argument with my post. b:sad I was just reading each of the class forums and thought I'd ask about this one. I'm loving veno but I do tend to like to try other classes. But what you all are basicly saying is wizzies aren't needed. That is really sad. b:cry Guess I won't level mine. I'll just use her for bank space. b:surrender

Don't worry. You didn't start an argument. You just walked in the middle of it.

See, alot of the wizards on here think they are so good that what 90% of the wizards do, experience, etc. isn't real. They think that their opinion is right, and any different opinion is wrong. Its especially bad on the lost city server. So bad, in fact, if you call TT TT instead of HH, your are forever a noob to them.

Fact is, you are better off talking to low and mid level wizards about what its like playing a wizard. To have a lvl 100 here tell you about how no mob can touch him is all the proof you need. Its has nothing to do with what you asked about, or what would be relevant to you, but nevertheless they post it here and they think it adequately refutes what I've said to you.

Yes, any lvl 100 wizard with half a brain can pve to their hearts content. Unfortunately, you will have to level yourself there first.

Until then, just recognize that what some of these people say has nothing to do with what you will be experiencing for a fairly long time from lvl 1-100.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide · January 2011

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

nope, the plan was to save it for TWs.. but TWs blow again so I might just go pk the rest of them off. I had like 400k + another plat charm.. and a day or so after I said I was gonna leave when my charm was gone I got mail from someone I don't even know that sent me a plat charm with a message saying they hoped this would make me stay longer. I'm guessing it was an alt of someone I know, but nonetheless I have 2 full plat charms sitting in my inventory atm. I'll prolly be bored one day and go use them up :P

BTW if the person that sent me the charm is reading this.. b:thanks

shhhh don't let them know how much charms you have b:shutup

someones going to make an assassin alt and try to kill you countless times. they'll fail of course, but it'll be charm **** b:cry

_Hysteria_ - Dreamweaver · January 2011

pretty much agree with blood, pure pve wise, wizards towards endgame own, so if thats fun for you, by all means make one, i love wizards and thats why i continue to roll them, but as said before, other than tw were not needed at all really, make alot of freinds or a get in a cool fac and they will take you along on stuff, but your still not really needed. so really depends on what you want to do as to whether or not youll find fun in a wizard. and even though cost probly shouldnt be taken into consideration, imma throw it out there anyway, if you do want to be good at pk/tw endgame, your going to have to get to 100 and then either spend alot of money or farm your *** off to get uber gear, average gear just wont cut it. so yeah, thats why you see few wizards now days. its quite a shame really.

kknboy · January 2011

@bloodmystic. i never used charms for frost cover or bh69 xD. I dont pk that often so meh and have only been in one tw. I had my platinum hp charm for like 3-4 months O_o which i got free from tide born quest lol. It finally ran out because of fun faction vs faction pvp events that my faction planned out. In pve charms seem to be immortal b:pleased. Even the 10k hp charms i got from a quest long ago lasted me till 6x hehe. I do agree that wizards like everyone else should get a charm for pvp, but for a majority of pve aspects charms are not always necessary.

oh and at op i suggest making a wizard if you really really like the class and want to reach endgame with it

Lenestro - Sanctuary · January 2011

im a mid level wiz and here's what ive experienced so far.

1. Cool looking skills: after only a few weeks of playing I was getting skills that were just plain fun to cast. like the level 39 "will of the phoenix," and you get 3 awesome skills at level 59.

2. Magical tank: At level 70-79, you can introduce yourself in dungeons as a tank quite easily, and I have 5 base vit. all the bosses are magical and its fun to switch it up.

3. individuality: because of discouraging forum posts, most new players dont roll a wiz, but they search the forums for the class they hope will be overpowered. Personally i dont wanna be the overpowered (overplayed) class. i like being the only one of my class in almost every dungeon run. And i guess i just like being different in general.

If youre looking for the person to tell you whether or not the wiz will pwn every other class in the game, im the wrong person to ask, cus i dont really care about all that stuff. This is a game and im in it to have fun. plain and simple. And this class has been a blast.

-Lene

Adroit - Lost City · January 2011

Lenestro - Sanctuary wrote: »

2. Magical tank: At level 70-79, you can introduce yourself in dungeons as a tank quite easily, and I have 5 base vit. all the bosses are magical and its fun to switch it up.

Unfortunately that won't last.. any class can tank really any boss with the right gear. The tank is generally decided by he who does the most damage, and we are near the bottom of the list in DPS.

Lenestro - Sanctuary · January 2011

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Unfortunately that won't last.. any class can tank really any boss with the right gear. The tank is generally decided by he who does the most damage, and we are near the bottom of the list in DPS.

yeah i guess your right. i guess all im saying is wiz is a fun class to play... at least mid level. and i can out DD other classes in the right situation. like zimo is metal and i can spam fire skills. remember at my level, no one has -int gear and hardly anyone has refines over +4 or 5.

Silest - Sanctuary · January 2011

Lenestro - Sanctuary wrote: »

3. individuality: because of discouraging forum posts, most new players dont roll a wiz,

I was one of the ones discouraged, but I rolled one anyway.

Aaheli - Raging Tide · January 2011

Ok, I do need to post here! lol

I have a Wizard and just dinged 60 (yey!), its been fun till now, yes I did die a few time but who hasn't? But I can sure kill mobs faster than many other ppl... I do complain that most Barbs my level can't hold aggro off me on my BH but oh well...I am learning to play my Wiz and don't think I'll ever stop tbh but that's part of the fun right?

Oh and btw, Wizards are needed, at least in my server I always see ppl asking for Wizard and any time I ask for a squad and say I'm one I get invited strait away

I'm used to casting classes so maybe that's why I have so much fun...but still...if you wanna play something different and not boring at all, where you need to pay attention to your every move then go for it and try a wizard.

Have fun!!

BlazinnAngel - Raging Tide · January 2011

Oh forgot to mention, ppl say its a boring class cos sometimes we take more time to quest, you know the hit and run thing makes quest seem longer than normal but thats a price we have to pay for being so awsome in dungeons and making somuch damage..hehe

bye for now

xoxo

Gargorx - Raging Tide · January 2011

BlazinnAngel - Raging Tide wrote: »

Oh forgot to mention, ppl say its a boring class cos sometimes we take more time to quest, you know the hit and run thing makes quest seem longer than normal but thats a price we have to pay for being so awsome in dungeons and making somuch damage..hehe

bye for now

xoxo

We have to kite? well maybe with bit stronger mobs. meaning mag resist ones life+, but normally at least me i just stand still and kill the mob with out getting hit. there isn't many mobs i have to actually kite to win. and i have done every quest up to lv 73(lv73 atm) so i have kinda killed a lot mobs

just learn how to kill the mob in most effective/fastest way and you wont have any problems

never heard ppl saying its boring

Fist_Mama - Harshlands · January 2011

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

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wizards are fun, especially in TW.

DONT make one on an older server or a pvp server. why wizards rule in pvp?
DONT expect to be needed in any squad - ever. well somewhat true but i allways want a wiz/psy in fc
DONT expect to be formidable in pvp, its possible, but not likely. read above
DONT expect to not have to put rl$ into the game. how eisle do you expect to win?b:victory
DONT expect to be able to play uncharmed. my wizard plays uncharmed most of the time the only time i buy charm is for TW but by end of TW its gone
DONT listen to pearlwoods "rah rah wizzies are great" post which is sure to follow. wizzies are greatMiss me?

answer in cyan

Galox - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Wizards are Cool.

When I get invited to a squad, squad usually replies with "Yay, a Wiz",

This is because they don't see many around. I know I hardly ever meet another Wiz. This really is a great reason to play Wizard, imo. Not like the hordes of Mindless Sins (Previous to Tideborn, was the Hordes of Veno's

:P) in which you see billions of every day. I like being speshul and rare

There are still loads of reasons to play Wizard, really, even at My Level on a PvE server, I have fun in PvP (So long as I'm fighting same/SLIGHTLY higher level people) This might change in "serious" PvP, but wtf? Really, a Wizard can own any other class with the right person controlling it. (Sins can be an exception for this,) So I'd hardly say we are "completely and utterly useless and **** in PvP". EXPERIENCE. IS REAL. It's just you don't see if much often any more. But it exists, it really does.

Adroit - Lost City · January 2011

Galox - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wizards are Cool.

When I get invited to a squad, squad usually replies with "Yay, a Wiz",

This is because they don't see many around. I know I hardly ever meet another Wiz. This really is a great reason to play Wizard, imo. Not like the hordes of Mindless Sins (Previous to Tideborn, was the Hordes of Veno's :P) in which you see billions of every day. I like being speshul and rare

There are still loads of reasons to play Wizard, really, even at My Level on a PvE server, I have fun in PvP (So long as I'm fighting same/SLIGHTLY higher level people) This might change in "serious" PvP, but wtf? Really, a Wizard can own any other class with the right person controlling it. (Sins can be an exception for this,) So I'd hardly say we are "completely and utterly useless and **** in PvP". EXPERIENCE. IS REAL. It's just you don't see if much often any more. But it exists, it really does.

pvp is essentially dead. The server is INFESTED with sins.. you can bet if nobody is out of sz, there is a sin around. You can bet if there are a few people out there, there are many more sins out there too. It's very frustrating never being able to fight the 6 original classes without a sin interrupting.

Minrothad - Dreamweaver · January 2011

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The last time I died outside of an instance/goofing around with bosses/being PK'd was a long time ago. I have yet to find a mob that can kill me 1v1, or for most melee mobs even 4v1

EDIT: WOW that color was horribble

Your level 10x, it would have been a long time ago. The original poster is talking about STARTING a wiz - i.e. level 1, not 10k hp and 10k pdef, no knock back skills, no force of will.

C'mon man, when answering a post, you gotta think outside of your self for a minute. You whole post is mememe, I I I. Unless you are handing your account over to them, everything you have said here is irrelevant.

And as for BHs, some of them the bosses have AOE that 1 shots nearly any average geared mage that is pure built. THAT's why.

Shesh, some people . . . .

Fist_Mama - Harshlands wrote: »

answer in cyan

why wizards rule in pvp?
I think he said something about TW being only decent time a wiz is pretty awesome. Go back and read the original post carefully.

well somewhat true but i allways want a wiz/psy in fc

FC and RB are the only things we are needed for, and that's great from 80-100(which levels go by pretty fast now a days), otherwise pffft.

how eisle do you expect to win?

Alot of classes can farm for coin endgame - wizards can't. Tell em, Adroit - you rolled a cleric just to farm cuz wizards end game simply can't.

my wizard plays uncharmed most of the time the only time i buy charm is for TW but by end of TW its gone - again, so what.

Most wizards 1-60 play charmed to die - alot.

wizzies are great

No, as the majority of posts here establish, wizzies are not great. They can be fun. They can be unique. They can be awesome in TW. But so can other classes which also have many, many advantages elsewhere.

I'm not saying to not play a wiz, I'm saying if you do, at least know what you are getting yourself into.

Vorhs - Lost City · January 2011

BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »

Your first few runs through frost covered city were uncharmed? Interesting.

Your first few times in BH 69 uncharmed? Interesting.

You pk uncharmed? Interesting.

You TW uncharmed? Interesting.

I don't necessarily believe you, but I do find the statements interesting.

Generally speaking, everything I said is absolutely true for the majority of wizards playing the game.

If you prefer to play uncharmed, great. If you prefer to play in pink pokadot boxer shorts, thats great too.

I don't see what either of those proclivities has to do with anything the OP was asking about.

I never bought a charm as wizards have incredible difficulties to find party for farming money and the 6mils you get each week are just barely necessary to refine your gear, i cant afford to spend those millions on charms that would last exactly the time i spent farming that money.

I wouldnt have any money income!
And anyway charms dont buy your way to win as wizard: you can only kill your opponent in the time given by your crowd control skills, if you dont kill him in that time you're dead in 2 shots, in 3 shots if charmed. It makes you survive around 0.2 seconds more lol.

Fist_Mama - Harshlands · January 2011

Minrothad - Dreamweaver wrote: »

WALL O TXT

why wizards rule in pvp?
I think he said something about TW being only decent time a wiz is pretty awesome. Go back and read the original post carefully.
i read the post carefully and which is what i said. why would he say that? because wizards do rule in pvp. maybe you should stop trying to be an *** and go back and read it.well somewhat true but i allways want a wiz/psy in fc

FC and RB are the only things we are needed for, and that's great from 80-100(which levels go by pretty fast now a days), otherwise pffft.
otherwise you must be a suck *** wiz. all fc squads ive been in want a wiz/psy even bh squads want a wiz.how eisle do you expect to win?

Alot of classes can farm for coin endgame - wizards can't. Tell em, Adroit - you rolled a cleric just to farm cuz wizards end game simply can't.
okey you just proved my point. i think your confused little one.my wizard plays uncharmed most of the time the only time i buy charm is for TW but by end of TW its gone - again, so what.

Most wizards 1-60 play charmed to die - alot.
lol most wizards? so far most in this thread say they dont buy a charm for pve.(LOL CHARM FOR PVE)wizzies are great

No, as the majority of posts here establish, wizzies are not great. They can be fun. They can be unique. They can be awesome in TW. But so can other classes which also have many, many advantages elsewhere.
im pretty sure you just contridicted yourself.I'm not saying to not play a wiz, I'm saying if you do, at least know what you are getting yourself into.

answer in cyan

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