Easy fix for proper PvP

/Groovy/ - Harshlands
/Groovy/ - Harshlands Posts: 688 Arc User
edited January 2011 in General Discussion
Replace free Jones Blessing (+30 attack lvl) from Facebook connect thingy to old-school Dominance Blessing (+10 attack lvl, +10 defence lvl).

People would still connect their accounts as the blessing is useful in PvE.

PvP would stop being oneshot fest b:chuckle


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  • Templar - Sanctuary
    Templar - Sanctuary Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I don't see why should thay do that, thay are buffing dmg as much couse more dmg = more cham ****... is easy math for making moneyb:laugh
  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    To a point, Templar, you're correct.
    But let me give you a situation in where it would be better without a blessing.

    A wizard gets 1 hit by an archer with an R8 bow. Wizards charm ticks once as they res.

    A wizards gets attacked by an archer with an R8 bow and no blessing. Wizards charm ticks once, and they nearly die, but get away. Charm may tick twice. Archer hunts them down, ticks their charm again and kills them.

    4 ticks vs 1 tick.. Get rid of blessings please.,
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  • threepointone
    threepointone Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Shevanel - Sanctuary wrote: »
    To a point, Templar, you're correct.
    But let me give you a situation in where it would be better without a blessing.

    A wizard gets 1 hit by an archer with an R8 bow. Wizards charm ticks once as they res.

    A wizards gets attacked by an archer with an R8 bow and no blessing. Wizards charm ticks once, and they nearly die, but get away. Charm may tick twice. Archer hunts them down, ticks their charm again and kills them.

    4 ticks vs 1 tick.. Get rid of blessings please.,

    But I'd rather die and lose less hp on my charm than get away and lose more hp.

    Or am I reading this wrong? O.o
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Easy fix for proper PvP:


    Remove fish.
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  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Templar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't see why should thay do that, thay are buffing dmg as much couse more dmg = more cham ****... is easy math for making moneyb:laugh
    threepointone wrote: »
    But I'd rather die and lose less hp on my charm than get away and lose more hp.

    Or am I reading this wrong? O.o

    No, you got the point. I was just countering Templars post in the money making scheme of pwe's favour.

    I'd rather not get charm ***** either, but for the fun of PvP where not everyone is a 1shot? Yes please.
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    ThaMessiah: I'd rather endlessly wack it till I shot a load that hits my ceiling than do a 3-2
  • Fist_Mama - Harshlands
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    threepointone wrote: »
    But I'd rather die and lose less hp on my charm than get away and lose more hp.

    Or am I reading this wrong? O.o

    +1 i was saying the same thing to myself id rather die once then take 4 charm ticks because im pretty sure 4 ticks=2 deaths
  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    4 ticks=2 deaths
    lol wut?
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    ThaMessiah: I'd rather endlessly wack it till I shot a load that hits my ceiling than do a 3-2
  • threepointone
    threepointone Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Shevanel - Sanctuary wrote: »
    No, you got the point. I was just countering Templars post in the money making scheme of pwe's favour.

    I'd rather not get charm ***** either, but for the fun of PvP where not everyone is a 1shot? Yes please.

    Oh good, thanks for clarifying.
  • Fist_Mama - Harshlands
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Shevanel - Sanctuary wrote: »
    lol wut?

    charm ticks at half hp so 2 halfs=a whole so 2 wholes=2 hp pools=2 deaths.
  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands wrote: »
    +1 i was saying the same thing to myself id rather die once then take 4 charm ticks because im pretty sure 4 ticks=2 deaths
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands wrote: »
    charm ticks at half hp so 2 halfs=a whole so 2 wholes=2 hp pools=2 deaths.

    So when a barb pulling a catapault gets his charm ticked 20 times by various wizzie, psy, cleric, archer, sin and BM attacks, it means he died 10 times? But how does said barb still stand? o;

    You're missing a very big point, mama..
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  • LovesTragedy - Lost City
    LovesTragedy - Lost City Posts: 474 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Shevanel - Sanctuary wrote: »
    lol wut?


    Basically its right, if you think about it. What that person was saying (if I am reading it right) is that 4 ticks in one life is equal to the same as dying (non-one shot) twice. Read it like this:

    4 ticks in one life- 4 ticks obviously.

    2 deaths:
    1 tick to tick the charm, 1 when you revive-2 per death

    So if you are 2 shot, its 4 ticks over 2 deaths, same as that 4 ticks in one life with less damage.


    Me personally though, I'd rather have the 4 ticks in one life and have a better battle. Thats why I wear a charm, so that the battle can extend, not so that I get an insta-heal when i rez.
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  • Fist_Mama - Harshlands
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Shevanel - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So when a barb pulling a catapault gets his charm ticked 20 times by various wizzie, psy, cleric, archer, sin and BM attacks, it means he died 10 times? But how does said barb still stand? o;

    You're missing a very big point, mama..

    i got the point XD but you know what i mean he still stands but yet the hp he has taken equals the amount of hp if he has died 10
  • hahahahahahah1
    hahahahahahah1 Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    There is something called healing and kiting which allows the person to tick several time before dying. Sorry about being captain obvious...
  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    But it doesn't technically make you dead. If you're still living, you have more chances to wreak havoc on other players. Isn't that what PvP is about? Killing? How much fun is killing when you're dead.. not too fun.
    Me personally though, I'd rather have the 4 ticks in one life and have a better battle.
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    ThaMessiah: I'd rather endlessly wack it till I shot a load that hits my ceiling than do a 3-2
  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands wrote: »
    i got the point XD but you know what i mean he still stands but yet the hp he has taken equals the amount of hp if he has died 10

    Ok so we ARE on the same page in that aspect.

    But It seems like you're just repeating my original post about how NOT being 1shot = more charm ticks = more charm waste = more money to Pwe.
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    Koiz - i took this massive dump
    Koiz - while listening to im on a boat hahahah
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    Certain levels of Boredom..
    ThaMessiah: I'd rather endlessly wack it till I shot a load that hits my ceiling than do a 3-2
  • Fist_Mama - Harshlands
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Shevanel - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ok so we ARE on the same page in that aspect.

    But It seems like you're just repeating my original post about how NOT being 1shot = more charm ticks = more charm waste = more money to Pwe.

    ofcourse this game is there money maker. they rely on us for there pay checkb:cry
  • Niteshadows - Harshlands
    Niteshadows - Harshlands Posts: 583 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    nerf sin's stealth. fix game by making more items available to those who aren't cash shoppers.... the list goes on.
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  • Fist_Mama - Harshlands
    Fist_Mama - Harshlands Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Niteshadows - Harshlands wrote: »
    nerf sin's stealth. fix game by making more items available to those who aren't cash shoppers.... the list goes on.

    why should they? people pay for a reason. maybe its just me but i think people who pay and people who dont pay shouldnt have the same gear unless it came from good merchanting but thats it.
  • Man - Raging Tide
    Man - Raging Tide Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I agree with OP.

    Or the +15 +15 blessings. Anything to render cash shop rank 9 a little less effective.
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  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    like people havent stacked +30 blessings in 7 alts' mailboxes...b:chuckle
  • Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear
    Summer_Blush - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Easy fix for proper PvP:


    Remove fish.

    b:chuckle grill the buggers
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  • Naivety - Harshlands
    Naivety - Harshlands Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Man - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I agree with OP.

    Or the +15 +15 blessings. Anything to render cash shop rank 9 a little less effective.

    Why do people think rank 9 will be made less effective by blessings? Concidering youd get a 15 def level boost and theyed get a 15 atk level boost to match it, it would simply be the same situation.

    Tip : If you can use it, so can R9. (Cept a few tiny tiny things like 5aps.).
  • grimreaperhc
    grimreaperhc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Naivety - Harshlands wrote: »
    Why do people think rank 9 will be made less effective by blessings? Concidering youd get a 15 def level boost and theyed get a 15 atk level boost to match it, it would simply be the same situation.

    Tip : If you can use it, so can R9. (Cept a few tiny tiny things like 5aps.).

    That's true. For example a R9 sin on my server has like ... 186 attack level WITHOUT the Jones Blessing >.>
    With that sin's skill that's increasing the crit rate he is reaching 86 % crit rate. I don't really think he would need the blessing.

    But yea, I must also agreed that one shotting in PvP is not fun :< Except ... if you're one shotting someone b:avoid
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  • Vorhs - Lost City
    Vorhs - Lost City Posts: 521 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    liked and added here http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=10775312#post10775312
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  • Cheze - Lost City
    Cheze - Lost City Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    /Groovy/ - Harshlands wrote: »
    Replace free Jones Blessing (+30 attack lvl) from Facebook connect thingy to old-school Dominance Blessing (+10 attack lvl, +10 defence lvl).

    People would still connect their accounts as the blessing is useful in PvE.

    PvP would stop being oneshot fest b:chuckle


    /discuss

    I support blessings with more defense and less attack lol. currently the damage output by players is just overkill compared to defense of most people.
  • /Groovy/ - Harshlands
    /Groovy/ - Harshlands Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    like people havent stacked +30 blessings in 7 alts' mailboxes...b:chuckle

    It wouldn't be *that* hard to make Jones blessings "unable to equip" :p
    Or look below...

    Man - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Or the +15 +15 blessings.

    I had similar idea after posting and it would work much better because it would deal with those who stacked Jones blessings on alts. If everyone would use +15 +15 blessings, person who would still use Jones blessing wouldn't get +30 attack lvl - it would be +15 attack lvl, -15 defence level (compared to everyone else).
    Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »
    liked and added here http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=10775312#post10775312

    Thanks :D



    To those who thought about *money* benefits of this change for PWE: as of now, it's pointless to refine anything else than weapon. If you hit first you will win, if you get hit first you will lose. So balancing out Jones blessing = players spending more money on shards & refines of armor.
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  • TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide
    TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide Posts: 1,946 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Even a 15/15 blessing would be decent...at least that's 15% dmg reduction. The more the better and lol charm ticks. So what, if your charm ticks a lot before you go down? That's how it's supposed to be,not get 1 shot.
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