KOS/Bounty and the ToS
SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
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Ok, so today I shouted in WC that I have a KOS on an individual and that they can ckeck out the details on my factions website.
Of course immediately I was rebutted for violating ToS on two counts.
1. Placing a bounty on someone's head,
2. Announcing my factions website address in WC.
Now I can see where the bounty could be borderline to "'Stalk', threaten or otherwise harass or cause discomfort to another." Yet, on the same note, I could call an equal violation on the individual with whom i have but the bounty on.
Also, considering this, any PvP factions that support a KoS list would also be in violation. Or anyone with a KoS list for that matter. Then I begin to think, "what's the point of PvP?"
Anyway, would be nice to get a solid response on this from a GM or Mod.
Of course immediately I was rebutted for violating ToS on two counts.
1. Placing a bounty on someone's head,
2. Announcing my factions website address in WC.
Now I can see where the bounty could be borderline to "'Stalk', threaten or otherwise harass or cause discomfort to another." Yet, on the same note, I could call an equal violation on the individual with whom i have but the bounty on.
Also, considering this, any PvP factions that support a KoS list would also be in violation. Or anyone with a KoS list for that matter. Then I begin to think, "what's the point of PvP?"
Anyway, would be nice to get a solid response on this from a GM or Mod.
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awww, your girlfriend got pk'd in the cube and you're seeking revenge. how cute.I love puppies.... and sharp objects. b:pleased0
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But what if they turn off PvP mode? b:surrender0
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Wait, if I start PKing people in the non-Steadfast rooms, I too might get a bounty put on my head and WC spammed?
Hmm... that's actually pretty tempting. I think I might have to start being more anti-social.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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KoS lists on carebear servers r funnnnnnnay
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SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »Ok, so today I shouted in WC that I have a KOS on an individual and that they can ckeck out the details on my factions website.
Of course immediately I was rebutted for violating ToS on two counts.
1. Placing a bounty on someone's head,
2. Announcing my factions website address in WC.
Now I can see where the bounty could be borderline to "'Stalk', threaten or otherwise harass or cause discomfort to another." Yet, on the same note, I could call an equal violation on the individual with whom i have but the bounty on.
Also, considering this, any PvP factions that support a KoS list would also be in violation. Or anyone with a KoS list for that matter. Then I begin to think, "what's the point of PvP?"
Anyway, would be nice to get a solid response on this from a GM or Mod.
I was the one that called you out on this.
Bountying = Offering a reward for someone to be killed, which is against the rules because it's paying people to grief others. KoS is perfectly fine, but again on a PVE server, good luck.
Posting links no matter how "PWI" related, isn't allowed, now you CAN do it and most likely wont be punished but if someone gets a ping on an AV they'll submit tickets like crazy because of it and blame you ect, ect, ect.0 -
Wizzeled - Sanctuary wrote: »I was the one that called you out on this.
Bountying = Offering a reward for someone to be killed, which is against the rules because it's paying people to grief others. KoS is perfectly fine, but again on a PVE server, good luck.
Posting links no matter how "PWI" related, isn't allowed, now you CAN do it and most likely wont be punished but if someone gets a ping on an AV they'll submit tickets like crazy because of it and blame you ect, ect, ect.
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While my cookies are cooling i think i'll comment on this.
Before they updated (or wrecked depending on your point of view) the forums, on the pk page i'm relatively sure it said something about how if you become a red named players might form "hunting" parties to kill you. I guess this could sort of be considered a "hunting party".
I'm not 100% sure of this and way too lazy to dig it up.
It's kind of like ganking I guess? but instead of asking your faction to kill someone you're asking everyone. If you spam kill them that could be griefing but like, offering someone 100k or something for highest damage dealt to the person might be ok?
I dunno, I don't pk
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YOu gotta be smart about these things. Instead of putting a bounty on someone's head, you say "first person with screenshot of 'this person' dead gets 500k." YOu never specify that the person is to be pk'd. For all the snitches know you could just be innocently asking for an ss of them after they get killed by a 'boss'...wink wink
LOL jk.
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haha no but really i am.
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Tearle - Dreamweaver wrote: »While my cookies are cooling i think i'll comment on this.
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I dunno, I don't pk Good luck solving your problem though and getting revenge c: just don't take it too far.
I think that "don't take it too far" rule goes for a lot of things involving PK - or anything, really. Most of the rules tend to err on the side of two things: (1) don't break the game, which is a specific subset of (2) don't be a butt. As long as you're not being a butt and/or breaking the game, you're safe, for the most part. And if you do get banned, it's rarely a perma ban, unless you were breaking one of those rules in extreme measures.
So, I can see bounties being against the rules, because they have this huge potential for being a can of worms and giving people a way to be butts. The managers probably don't particularly feel like leaving people with temptation, since giving people certain freedoms inside of an anonymous environment... well...
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Wizzeled - Sanctuary wrote: »I was the one that called you out on this.
Bountying = Offering a reward for someone to be killed, which is against the rules because it's paying people to grief others. KoS is perfectly fine, but again on a PVE server, good luck
On a PVE (haha if they too stupid to turn of PK mode) server Or even a PVP server, I see no problem with it. If you are a lot lower lvl or geared, sometime you need tactics. Certainly his gf felt greifed? PVP is part of the game. Get used to it.0 -
http://www.perfectworld.com/about/terms
(f) "Stalk," threaten or otherwise harass or cause discomfort to another;- so, technically speaking, placing a bounty on someone is an offense. On the other hand:
12. Hyperlinks
You are granted a limited, non-exclusive right to create a text hyperlink to the Website for noncommercial purposes, provided such link does not portray PWE or any of its products and services in a false, misleading, derogatory or otherwise defamatory manner and provided further that the linking site does not contain any adult or illegal material or any material that is offensive, harassing or otherwise objectionable. This limited right may be revoked at any time
Advertising your faction's website is perfectly fine as long as it follows the above terms, but PWE still reserves the rights to take away the privilege at any time.I level the old- fashioned way.
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Actually, the bit about Hyperlinks is about linking to the PWI site/images/data from another site. There is nothing specific in the ToS about us linking to other sites outside of PWI.
In the forum I believe it's just linking to other games that is frowned upon, but again, nothing is said against shouting a link to my factions website.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
That's the thing though- hyperlinking defined in the ToS is so vague that it's pretty much 'OK' as long as it doesn't put PWE in a negative perspective.I level the old- fashioned way.
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Personally, I see nothing wrong with placing a bounty on someone. If you PK, bet on their being repercussions in just about any form.Some people risk to employ me
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Xarathox - Dreamweaver wrote: »Personally, I see nothing wrong with placing a bounty on someone. If you PK, bet on their being repercussions in just about any form.
I agree. It can be a good way to keep people in line .
Such as people who steal tabber's drops in Fbs. Had a few friends who had skill books stolen by sleazeballs on their high fbs.
Tho its true , Considering the amount of PK that actually goes on in PVE servers, a KOS list, or bounty isn't quite as effective as people who would like.0 -
_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »I agree. It can be a good way to keep people in line .
Such as people who steal tabber's drops in Fbs. Had a few friends who had skill books stolen by sleazeballs on their high fbs.
Tho its true , Considering the amount of PK that actually goes on in PVE servers, a KOS list, or bounty isn't quite as effective as people who would like.
Yes, but that's not stalking someone. Going out of your way to chase after someone and continually kill them for something that is taken as a common courtesy, is harassment, griefing, and stalking- for days, weeks and maybe even months- a ToS violation.
Big difference.
To be frank, if the person did something or said something that was that offensive, it's probably worth some screen shots and notifying the GMs.
(f) "Stalk," threaten or otherwise harass or cause discomfort to another;- this doesn't just list 'stalking' but threats and 'discomfort' as well. Anything as seemingly mild as a "yo mama" joke can be discomforting to sensitive people and you could be on the other end of a GM's suspension on your account just for saying that. Of course, this all depends on what that person gives the GMs- the more evidence they have, the more likely action will be taken.[In a distorted place and time][The knife that stabbed me in the back grants me wings]
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Man, people must really be babies if bounties are considered griefing. Lots of games have a bounty system and they seem to work just fine.
My (evil) girlfriend has had a standing bounty on my head for a long time now. She's been telling people behind my back that anybody who sends her a screenshot of my corpse gets 1 million. I think it's hilarious, personally.
So yeah, go ahead and kill me and let Purra_Pearl know and earn some free coin. The most likely place to find me is in Cube.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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You should totally find people to "kill" you and split the bounties, not that you need 500k or anything.0
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WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »
My (evil) girlfriend has had a standing bounty on my head for a long time now. She's been telling people behind my back that anybody who sends her a screenshot of my corpse gets 1 million. I think it's hilarious, personally.
So yeah, go ahead and kill me and let Purra_Pearl know and earn some free coin. The most likely place to find me is in Cube.
Mwahahahaha!!!
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50K?
Yea, no thanks.
I'll go grind OVS.0 -
Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »But what if they turn off PvP mode? b:surrender
PK on carebear servers.
Srs businessI
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WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »Man, people must really be babies if bounties are considered griefing. Lots of games have a bounty system and they seem to work just fine.
My (evil) girlfriend has had a standing bounty on my head for a long time now. She's been telling people behind my back that anybody who sends her a screenshot of my corpse gets 1 million. I think it's hilarious, personally.
So yeah, go ahead and kill me and let Purra_Pearl know and earn some free coin. The most likely place to find me is in Cube.
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Offering 50k to pk someone...its not really a fortune lol.
Who would even bother to find the guy, try to get him to go white name since you're on a pve server, kill him, take SS, than go back and try to find you to get 50k <.<
Most people wont even move outside of Archo for less than 500k b:chuckle0 -
Once upon a time I got told to go white name because they have my faction on KoS and that they want to kill me.
Why there's such thing as Kill on Sight list on PvE servers where you can't really Kill on Sight is beyond me.0 -
Nael - Dreamweaver wrote: »Once upon a time I got told to go white name because they have my faction on KoS and that they want to kill me.
Why there's such thing as Kill on Sight list on PvE servers where you can't really Kill on Sight is beyond me.
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SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »Ok, so today I shouted in WC that I have a KOS on an individual and that they can ckeck out the details on my factions website.
Of course immediately I was rebutted for violating ToS on two counts.
1. Placing a bounty on someone's head,
2. Announcing my factions website address in WC.
Now I can see where the bounty could be borderline to "'Stalk', threaten or otherwise harass or cause discomfort to another." Yet, on the same note, I could call an equal violation on the individual with whom i have but the bounty on.
Also, considering this, any PvP factions that support a KoS list would also be in violation. Or anyone with a KoS list for that matter. Then I begin to think, "what's the point of PvP?"
Anyway, would be nice to get a solid response on this from a GM or Mod.
I seen This happen to One of My factions Before In Harslands, A Huge Debate and Flaming came over this issue..
The key Point is The Whole Bounty this is Pointless...REALLY pointless...You can have his friend look up contact you..pk his friend take the money and split it with the target.
What I have to say is this, Level your self up and Take it upon your self to pk them instead of causing a server wide Arguement
Also If ur on a PVE server, Then its her loss for going White name.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »Man, people must really be babies if bounties are considered griefing. Lots of games have a bounty system and they seem to work just fine.
My (evil) girlfriend has had a standing bounty on my head for a long time now. She's been telling people behind my back that anybody who sends her a screenshot of my corpse gets 1 million. I think it's hilarious, personally.
So yeah, go ahead and kill me and let Purra_Pearl know and earn some free coin. The most likely place to find me is in Cube.
there's no corpses in cube b:cry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »there's no corpses in cube b:cry
Oh ****, did you already start leveling there?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Winddagger - Harshlands wrote: »I seen This happen to One of My factions Before In Harslands, A Huge Debate and Flaming came over this issue..
The key Point is The Whole Bounty this is Pointless...REALLY pointless...You can have his friend look up contact you..pk his friend take the money and split it with the target.
What I have to say is this, Level your self up and Take it upon your self to pk them instead of causing a server wide Arguement
Also If ur on a PVE server, Then its her loss for going White name.
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