Wizards then Barbs..Now clerics?...omfg
Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear
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I was just reading a thread and like...wtf XD It was talking about how people "dont" need clerics in runs like nirvana and FC. Now..I'm not saying I'm gonna quit my cleric, hell no. It's just...first it was the wizards, then it was the barbs but "NEVER" in my 3 years of playing pwi did i think i would hear someone say "clerics aren't needed in high lvl instances anymore" O.O -faints-
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**** it, we can find squads that do want us around. If we are in a squad that only want to use BloodPaint, then so be it. We do not have to heal or res anyone that we want.b:laugh I do not pay any attention to any of it, it is a waste of time.0
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well, if you think that it's OK for some classes to be useless... i can't say that I am worried that ur main class is becoming lesss useful...0
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from my understanding, its like..pwi made classes to maybe...be a subsitute then, for when you cant find a wizard or cant find a barb or cant find a cleric but what people are saying is just plain disrespectful...not to me as a person (hello just a game) but to the class. Pssh I'm finding friends to do my quests with.
I wonder what assassins will do if the rumor about aps being nerfed is true b:shocked that would suck......for them b:chuckle0 -
Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear wrote: »I was just reading a thread and like...wtf XD It was talking about how people "dont" need clerics in runs like nirvana and FC. Now..I'm not saying I'm gonna quit my cleric, hell no. It's just...first it was the wizards, then it was the barbs but "NEVER" in my 3 years of playing pwi did i think i would hear someone say "clerics aren't needed in high lvl instances anymore" O.O -faints-
People who write posts saying that clerics (or other classes for that matter) are not needed fail to think through the consequences of their actions. It is already difficult enough to find clerics for BH and FCC runs, but by making such posts, these individuals are only discouraging even more players from making or continuing to play their clerics. Let us see these individuals level their characters to 100 or go do TW with their faction without any clerics/barbs/wizards because that is what will happen if you continue to tell players that they are "wasting" their time playing a character that is not needed at end game.
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DeadRaven - Sanctuary wrote: »People who write posts saying that clerics (or other classes for that matter) are not needed fail to think through the consequences of their actions. It is already difficult enough to find clerics for BH and FCC runs, but by making such posts, these individuals are only discouraging even more players from making or continuing to play their clerics. Let us see these individuals level their characters to 100 or go do TW with their faction without any clerics/barbs/wizards because that is what will happen if you continue to tell players that they are "wasting" their time playing a character that is not needed at end game.
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+1 ^ clerics will never be replaced, even when some people want them too and its so weird but the classes that i ever see saying that clerics arent needed at high lvl is most of the time either a bm or a sin. O.O ..why am i not surprised0 -
i done nirvana runs many...no clerics...either had sage bp or full party 5 aps...still no reason to not play cleric if u love it ...after all are a hand full of ppl who can run nirvana with no cleric.. so is just a smoke screen0
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Wait, what? They don't need me? Then why do I get invites for FB/FCC/TT/BH/Nirvana/etc all day in every few minutes? b:shutup Good Clerics are always needed. People love me because I do my job well and never go AFK (I hate it when people go AFK in instances).0
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You have to ignore the arrogance in post like those. People that can't wait to shine how they can do x-instance without a cleric is just expressing what little minds they have.
The thing is, they refuse to read between the lines of all of the thousands of post made by people about the 5-aps situation. PWI may not -nerf- 5 aps, because they know the very same cashopping e-peens that brag, make youtube vids, and totally disregard everyone else playability...will be the first to follow over into some state of gamer's emo mentality, and fill the forums with the very same QQing they make fun of now.. But what PWI could do, very easily, is build content that make's 5-aps almost pointless t have, maybe even detrimantal to have.. in which case, they will be in the WC....begging for whom to help?0 -
I think they need to make 10 aps possible, and require you spend $3,000 on it to get it, cash shop only. There's your 5 aps nerf.
Channeling is stupid, it doesn't balance out aps at all, and it needs to. Until it does, the game is broken in a way. 4 aps would be fine. Sins broke the game in a way, too. But, whatever... Nothing we can do about it here, because the Devs are Chinese and don't care what we think.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
100 Demon BM*/Barb
96 Demon Cleric/Sage Seeker
95 Demon Wiz/
94 Sage Veno
85 Psy/80 Mystic
And a handful of other alts, all 79 and under.
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**** the people who think clerics arent useful, and when someone dies they immedietly turn to the cleric saying its the clerics fault!
without clerics, people would die more easier in fb stuff, and its not gonna be the clerics fault when they lose their valuable xp from dieing so many times, bcus they didnt have a rez! and they wouldnt have all the really good buffs they could get even if other classes still have buffs!!! GO CLERICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
Blood_Rayne_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »**** the people who think clerics arent useful, and when someone dies they immedietly turn to the cleric saying its the clerics fault!
without clerics, people would die more easier in fb stuff, and its not gonna be the clerics fault when they lose their valuable xp from dieing so many times, bcus they didnt have a rez! and they wouldnt have all the really good buffs they could get even if other classes still have buffs!!! GO CLERICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Urgh... The "clerics being useless" comes mainly +100 in fairly good geared 5 aps squads <.< not on lower lvl fbs.0 -
SQUISHKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »Urgh... The "clerics being useless" comes mainly +100 in fairly good geared 5 aps squads <.< not on lower lvl fbs.
+1
I realise this isn't the cause of the thread and please don't flame me for this. I love clerics and moonlight as one, but...
I've seen people confuse "we don't need a cleric" with "clerics are useless", which are two very different things. Clerics can be hard to find. Good ones are even harder to find. That being so, people adapt. There are other buffs (bloodpaint, aura of the golden bell, beast king's inspiration...), other heals (bubble of life, morning dew, pet heal), apoth (life/focus/etc powders), recovery charms (hp/mp "regen"), attack and defense charms, food (crab meat, HY), and on and so forth.
If I tell a squad "we don't need a cleric" it's because we can get by without one, not that a cleric is useless. I've done the big room in FF without a cleric in an 85-95 squad. It sucked, but we did it.
In my experience, I haven't seen any one class be absolutely necessary for anything. Some classes are much more effective, yes. But there are generally multiple ways of doing things.
Yes, there are some people who will say that clerics are useless, but to be honest, I'd bet that a fair amount of them have a cleric alt for buffs. Certainly they had a cleric help them get to their current level at any rate.
Try not to take it personally. Clerics are always useful; moreso than other classes. Those who say they have no use are just blowing hot air.0 -
It's very sad if some classes are not needed in an MMO. This game is totally messed up, and I blame 5APS / Sins. FCC squads used to have Venos and Wizards, they had their own roles. Now what do we have? Cleric-Barb-BM(APS)-Sin(APS)-Sin(APS)-Sin(APS)... Or Sin only squads... How messed up is that? This is an MMO, all classes should be useful!
I say Clerics are lucky because BB, purify, revive and buffs are always nice to have around. Clerics make our lives easier. I'm only worried about Wizards, Barbs and Venos. Wizards are great APH (attack per hit) and have good AoEs. Venos are secondary tanks, they have useful debuffs and they can give chi / bramble. I have a lvl92 Herced Veno but no one wants me for FCC anymore, everyone wants Sins, Sins, Sins!!! I'm sick of Sins! And Barbs are disappearing... They have high repair fees, they cannot keep aggro from Sins, they have crappy damage. PWE must improve Barbs and make people want to play them! It's already very hard to find them for FCC... =/0 -
It's very sad if some classes are not needed in an MMO. This game is totally messed up, and I blame 5APS / Sins. FCC squads used to have Venos and Wizards, they had their own roles. Now what do we have? Cleric-Barb-BM(APS)-Sin(APS)-Sin(APS)-Sin(APS)... Or Sin only squads... How messed up is that? This is an MMO, all classes should be useful!
I say Clerics are lucky because BB, purify, revive and buffs are always nice to have around. Clerics make our lives easier. I'm only worried about Wizards, Barbs and Venos. Wizards are great APH (attack per hit) and have good AoEs. Venos are secondary tanks, they have useful debuffs and they can give chi / bramble. I have a lvl92 Herced Veno but no one wants me for FCC anymore, everyone wants Sins, Sins, Sins!!! I'm sick of Sins! And Barbs are disappearing... They have high repair fees, they cannot keep aggro from Sins, they have crappy damage. PWE must improve Barbs and make people want to play them! It's already very hard to find them for FCC... =/
barbs can go 5aps... in my server, they highest barbs in the tiger event deal more damage than the highest wizzies... how wrong can that be? xd
btw with aoe heal, single target heal and res mystics start too look "dangerous" for clerics.
looks like they could play the cleric role in easy instances or the second cleric role0 -
ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »barbs can go 5aps... in my server, they highest barbs in the tiger event deal more damage than the highest wizzies... how wrong can that be? xd
btw with aoe heal, single target heal and res mystics start too look "dangerous" for clerics.
looks like they could play the cleric role in easy instances or the second cleric role
Their Revive is a buff, if they forget it or it runs out in the worst time (during boss killing), they are screwed. Also, Mystics don't have BB (halves incoming damage + heal over time) and Purify. I have a Cleric and I do find it unfair Mystics get all these healing skills, but as long as they can't Purify and BB, I really don't care... 2 healers are NOT needed in squads (unless it's a high lvl TT), and I'm sure people will still prefer Clerics over Mystics. Also, I bet 99% of the Mystics will prefer DDing over healing.0 -
It's so funny watching threads like this.
Guess what? This very thread came up when psychics were released (notice I posted there too):
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=549122
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=543801XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver wrote: »Already BMs, Archers and Wizards are being swept under the rug by the Tideborn's clearly superior capabilities. It's only a matter of time before people realize that Psychics are indirectly better healers than us too! b:cry
And the psychics have a "zomg psychics r gonna be replaced by mystics" thread:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=11689992
This is the best post made there:flippineck wrote: »perhaps most psychics of any real value realise their place in the game and before they chose psychic actually researched it. similarly they probably are taking the time to read the news on the new classes or even play them over on the chinese version, instead of relying on rash judgement and outright disinformation.
indeed the whole "is x going to replace y" phenomenon is just a repeat of the tideborn release. Sins are going to replace BMs.. well they didn't, in fact the drive to high aps/fist use that began shortly after the tideborn release has actually revitalised the BM as a class (even though they are all running around fisting everything in sight instead of using all their weapons). Psychics were going to replace wizzies/clerics and perhaps have slipped in alongside wizzies in terms of DDs for instances, but clerics so far are still needed.
each new class will find it's niche. some classes will always be more popular than others.no point QQing over it, might as well QQ that one country gets more sunshine than yours does.
Oh and another note, barbs and wizards are not dead by any means. That assertion makes as much sense as the notion that clerics are gonna die.
People would do well to learn from history and not to fall for the same phenomenon once again.0 -
Their Revive is a buff, if they forget it or it runs out in the worst time (during boss killing), they are screwed. Also, Mystics don't have BB (halves incoming damage + heal over time) and Purify. I have a Cleric and I do find it unfair Mystics get all these healing skills, but as long as they can't Purify and BB, I really don't care... 2 healers are NOT needed in squads (unless it's a high lvl TT), and I'm sure people will still prefer Clerics over Mystics. Also, I bet 99% of the Mystics will prefer DDing over healing.
a lot of instances dont really need either purify nor BB. besides, we dont know if they will have some sort of purify/bb, do we?
not letting the buff run out is player skill...
not sure if mystic will be better than cleric, we will need the full skill tree for that;
but for example, if i go do a fb59 a mystic could come so i wont spam my own heals/pots.
or for a boss etc.
or in thos fast nirvana runs, especially if they get some sort of debuffs
well, waiting for the full skill tree; no point in arguing before that0 -
well i dont know if the clerics see the danger or if others dont, but in this "perfect world" where its not a matter if some instances can be done, all that matters is how fast can it be done. ppl will take a mystic over a cleric in 9 out of 10 times.
the simply reason is: if a cleric heals, he just heals. if a mystic heals, mystic can still DD while healing.
and that difference might be the true danger for clerics.0 -
eyehaveyou wrote: »well i dont know if the clerics see the danger or if others dont, but in this "perfect world" where its not a matter if some instances can be done, all that matters is how fast can it be done. ppl will take a mystic over a cleric in 9 out of 10 times.
the simply reason is: if a cleric heals, he just heals. if a mystic heals, mystic can still DD while healing.
and that difference might be the true danger for clerics.
lolwut? A Cleric can DD while healing, too. O.o I DD when the tank is not in danger. I even use my seals to debuff some bosses (if needed).
And I'm sure Mystics have no BB and Purify, and they have less healing skills. It would make no sense to make an 'other Cleric'. Cleric will stay the ultimate support class, Mystic is semi-supporter, but definitely not going to replace Clerics, that's bullshi.t. And as someone mentioned before, I think Mystics won't heal, they will DD. Just like 99% of the Psychics never use their freaking AoE heal.......0 -
eyehaveyou wrote: »well i dont know if the clerics see the danger or if others dont, but in this "perfect world" where its not a matter if some instances can be done, all that matters is how fast can it be done. ppl will take a mystic over a cleric in 9 out of 10 times.
the simply reason is: if a cleric heals, he just heals. if a mystic heals, mystic can still DD while healing.
and that difference might be the true danger for clerics.
& What's stopping a cleric to DD while healing...?0 -
what i was trying to say is: in the time a cleric heals, channeling- casting, a cleric cant dd in that time. a mystic can heal in that time (mystics pet is attacking [DDing] and mystic heals, cleric is healing and ehm.... healing in that time. )
ofc cleric can DD between their heals, but they cant DD in the time they r actually healing.
and in the time a cleric deals dmg (between cleric heals) Mystic is DDing with pet and as caster.
man wasnt that hard to understand right?
compare it to a veno solotanking, pet deals dmg while veno heals the pet. now take a mystic that isnt healing the pet, the mystic is healing others instead.0 -
Yeah but cleric only needs to throw a few ih on the tank and then he can DD while ih heals over time...
And I don't think heal power of mystic will be strong enough for strong bosses.
Cleric will always be needed.0 -
@eye: Looking at that new Mystic AoE heal, it is not faster than our Chromatic... and who knows about cooldown? IH is super fast and our other heals are relatively fast too, I mean, I have no problem keeping my squad alive AND DD between heals, and I only have 18% -chan! Really, people never die because I fail to heal, they usually die because of their fault (hell, they even kill ME sometimes lol).
Also, Mystics have to give their mana to their summons so they will eat more mana than a Cleric. I don't think their summons can tank like a Herc and they won't be too powerful, the damage summons make is minimal (like Veno pets), so people will prefer a Sin over Mystic, sorry. :P Who needs casters? Everyone needs APS lately. Sad, but true. ;o Cleric is usually the only caster in an FCC squad, lol. Get one more and FCC will be slow. And greedy people like to RUSSSSSH.
Edit: I forgot to mention my Demon IH that can recover mana. Mmmmm, people love me lots. xD0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »It's so funny watching threads like this.
Guess what? This very thread came up when psychics were released (notice I posted there too):
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=549122
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=543801
And the psychics have a "zomg psychics r gonna be replaced by mystics" thread:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=11689992
This is the best post made there:
Oh and another note, barbs and wizards are not dead by any means. That assertion makes as much sense as the notion that clerics are gonna die.
People would do well to learn from history and not to fall for the same phenomenon once again.
that psy thread isn't serious... it's exactly the opposite xdlolwut? A Cleric can DD while healing, too. O.o I DD when the tank is not in danger. I even use my seals to debuff some bosses (if needed).
And I'm sure Mystics have no BB and Purify, and they have less healing skills. It would make no sense to make an 'other Cleric'. Cleric will stay the ultimate support class, Mystic is semi-supporter, but definitely not going to replace Clerics, that's bullshi.t. And as someone mentioned before, I think Mystics won't heal, they will DD. Just like 99% of the Psychics never use their freaking AoE heal.......
lol what makes u sure and since when pw's moves make sense?
they could create the ultimate uber-powerful healer to make all clerics reroll.
hyper sale anyoe?0 -
@eye: Looking at that new Mystic AoE heal, it is not faster than our Chromatic... and who knows about cooldown? IH is super fast and our other heals are relatively fast too, I mean, I have no problem keeping my squad alive AND DD between heals, and I only have 18% -chan! Really, people never die because I fail to heal, they usually die because of their fault (hell, they even kill ME sometimes lol).
that might be true i gotta admit here, but as u read in a post earlier. some ppl dont need a cleric that much like they did be4, thanks to 5 APS + BP, Crabmeat, Apoth powders and so on.Now lets wait for the new class. anyway its all just some mumbling about what might happen
Also, Mystics have to give their mana to their summons so they will eat more mana than a Cleric.
like 5 k mana pots would have no chance to come up for the mana consume ( they can even keep up barrage lvl 10 dunno about demon barrage gotta ask some1 first )
and yes like u let it sound like 5 k mana pots r so super expensive, lmao got the point? right u have no point here.
I don't think their summons can tank like a Herc and they won't be too powerful, the damage summons make is minimal (like Veno pets), so people will prefer a Sin over Mystic, sorry.
I wasnt talking about prefering a Mystic over a sin, sorry. i was talking about prefering a Mystic over a cleric.
:P Who needs casters? Everyone needs APS lately. Sad, but true.
;o Cleric is usually the only caster in an FCC squad, lol. Get one more and FCC will be slow. And greedy people like to RUSSSSSH.
Here again, we dont know about the cooldown of Mystics skills, if they r close to the clerics cooldowns. If they r close to clerics cds .... do i need to mention more?
Edit: I forgot to mention my Demon IH that can recover mana. Mmmmm, people love me lots. xD
well true demon IH is nice and i like it too, but its not like lvl 60 mana pots r that expensive for most tanks, (i dont need more on my sin or bm for tanking, well its not like triplespark + aps is consuming any mana)
imho sage IH > demon IH
/answers in red
anyways its fun seems like those 2 new classes will really do some damage to the game again0 -
The OP created a tongue in cheek original post but the quote mentioned in that topic was far from joking.ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »that psy thread isn't serious... it's exactly the opposite xd0 -
Thanos wheres the love
anybody would think you didn't like us. Down with these vile new invaders XD. Besides elf wings are smex and if I ever got offered a ride on a ricketty hang glider I might die of shame :P (anyone seen with negations should however be shot on sight just for their audacity to flaunt it) PWI b:bye0 -
JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »The OP created a tongue in cheek original post but the quote mentioned in that topic was far from joking.
I wasn't joking...im sorry if my post gave you that idea. I'm totally okay with the fact that there are classes that are available to stand in for a cleric and still get the job done in case a cleric isnt available at the moment. But come on...why come on forums and broadcast that clerics are useless...that's just plain foolish.0 -
StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »Thanos wheres the love anybody would think you didn't like us. Down with these vile new invaders XD. Besides elf wings are smex and if I ever got offered a ride on a ricketty hang glider I might die of shame :P (anyone seen with negations should however be shot on sight just for their audacity to flaunt it)
i cant risk revealing that i love my alt, people will think i'm a perv b:avoidb:chuckle0
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