no one wants the RB

Rafnatyr - Sanctuary · January 2011

Red bubble grants 20% to all squad members. Every time I have been with a sin and maybe one more in squad that can live in 3 spark, they yell and complain that it slows them down a whole 5%. If a whole squad can deal out 20% more would that not in-fact do more damage overall then just the one or 2 people that get slowed down? I don't normally go into FCC or any of the other instances much because I just do things the hard-way and actually grind out levels for the most part. yes, you read that right, I actually grind out levels. I do what I am told to do in squads or I ask how the squad wants things done or what needs to be done, since all squads are different. but the original question is the issue to me, most want nothing to do with a Red Bubble but there are some that like it. is it just there for looks now or does it actually serve the purpose for the squad and pay no mind to the QQ'ing sin in the squad that whines that it slows his happy butt down?

Tessiy - Raging Tide · January 2011

Uhm fyi, there's two mobs that spawn at the same time (right and left side) those who dosen't want RB go right and the ones that want RB, go left. If no one wants RB you just use your pro metal mage skills and DD, if you're not already a metal mage.. (?). Simple as that!
anyways with all the 5 aps/r8 sins running around why would they need RB?
fish ego ijs. b:cute

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver · January 2011

TO bad RB also overwrites the 500% dmg bonus with 100% bonus.

And those 5apsers being nurfed by 5% turns them from 5aps to 4aps, dropping dmg by 20% (and an extra 400% by losing dmg bonus)

AND those 5apsers deal 100 fold more dmg than the full rest of the squad

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · January 2011

what they said. try to squad a bit more, i dont think that someone who killed mob after mob and grinded to 100 is better than someone that squaded with people and learned squad dynamics.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Rafnatyr - Sanctuary wrote: »

Red bubble grants 20% to all squad members. Every time I have been with a sin and maybe one more in squad that can live in 3 spark, they yell and complain that it slows them down a whole 5%. If a whole squad can deal out 20% more would that not in-fact do more damage overall then just the one or 2 people that get slowed down? I don't normally go into FCC or any of the other instances much because I just do things the hard-way and actually grind out levels for the most part. yes, you read that right, I actually grind out levels. I do what I am told to do in squads or I ask how the squad wants things done or what needs to be done, since all squads are different. but the original question is the issue to me, most want nothing to do with a Red Bubble but there are some that like it. is it just there for looks now or does it actually serve the purpose for the squad and pay no mind to the QQ'ing sin in the squad that whines that it slows his happy butt down?

Learn how your skills work before getting an attitude with others. They get an increased speed attack and dmg attack but that's on their base damage. Once they spark, that overwrites the dramatically higher damage bonus spark gives as well as the increased attack rate, making their job killing elementos more difficult. The result is you facing a boss that has more HP and giving you more of a headache. If damage dealers are asking/telling you to take down RB, take it down and shut up about it. Leave the whole grinding **** in another discussion because that has no bearing on frost, and I don't inherently respect people just because they can kill the same mob(s) over and over again and make their own leveling more difficult.

Amourie - Heavens Tear · January 2011

The only time I RB.. probably ever.. is at the heads in frostcovered. No one really needs it nowadays b:surrender

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · January 2011

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Leave the whole grinding **** in another discussion because that has no bearing on frost, and I don't inherently respect people just because they can kill the same mob(s) over and over again and make their own leveling more difficult.

yulk-overdose? b:avoid

Koltrast - Sanctuary · January 2011

Jeeze Janus, maybe you need to pull back on the caffeine? Ever considered anger management?

The right/left thing mentioned above is nice, but that's the first I've ever heard it. Every time I've seen rb asked for at the glacix boss in FCC, cleric's been told to put it in the middle right under the boss.

And honestly, the first time I saw a cleric told to take down RB, it was a barb saying so, while tanking Feng in a 2-3, there was nobody near 5 (or even 4) aps in the squad. And it was the same barb asking for it next time we were in FCC, go figure. There was a 5 aps sin in the squad that time, and they a) weren't sparking on the glacix thingies, and b) said it didn't bother them anyway.

Not everyone who has demon spark is 5 aps and permasparking, and I rarely see people actually living in a spark even if they can. If they aren't using their spark to full potential, and it's beneficial to the whole of the squad in those few places, I don't have a problem with it. Somewhere like the FCC heads or the elemento boss, the freeze on the spark makes it pointless anyway.

It's just kind of silly to immediately hear "take down the RB" from people it's not actually hurting anyway, because they read it somewhere on the forums. An under 100 barb in 2-3 isn't there for his dps output.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · January 2011

RAARRGHHHHH IM ANGRY. No, wait, actually, kinda hard to figure out where you two got the Yulk/anger management thing. I probably ran into a meme comparing typing style to Yulk and being critical as excessively angry? Did I run into some sensitive people?

Anyhow, I've never seen a wiz or a veno or barb tell a cleric to take down RB.. pretty much every time it's a BM or sin or archer. Why people need to over-analyze who or what is beyond me, if a DD asks you to take down RB, just do it. It's not that big a deal.

Rafnatyr - Sanctuary · January 2011

If I knew how the skill actually worked I wouldn't have asked the question, Please Master Janus, please don't beat me anymore Master Janus. When I used it in the past I never had a problem with it and now people do. As, Koltrast stated too it was a "Barb" that told me to take it down to which I did. Thanks for the help though everyone, even mister grumpy pants, I will go back to school and try to learn better comprehension skills so I can better understand what I have read.

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary · January 2011

Reason why people don`t like rb is because it basically kills the demon spark, case closed! b:bye

Eoria - Harshlands · January 2011

I always ask before I red. If I get no response, I red. Then people QQ like mofos because they're unable to answer one simple question. b:surrender

In my experience, most of those that QQ aren't even 4-5aps.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

Reason why people don`t like rb is because it basically kills the demon spark, case closed! b:bye

Careful with the exclamation points, some posters are sensitive to it. b:laugh

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary · January 2011

rb been sucha long while since i used it last @.@ rather dd then standing around ina bubble and doing -click click on mp - =x

Clandore - Lost City · January 2011

If you look around at what constitute your FC party (>.> I thought everyone looked up other people's gears all the time, come on), you can probably make a reasonable judgement as to whether RB will be beneficial/wanted.

Magicgabe - Lost City · January 2011

The rule of rb in frost:

1) Set up about 16 paces right of the bubble boss.
2) Sins and 4-5 aps take left mobs, everyone else take right.
3) BM use spark on dragon
4) ranged DD move out of rb when they want to 3-spark; move back when no 3spark
5) barb don't generally complain about rb anyways since they low aps.
6)if you're really good you can set up so that one have of the side of the right side mobs gets rb while the other side doesn't.
8) rb at heads, its more effective and easier than using cyclone or running around with a bow.

HellsNoir - Sanctuary · February 2011

Normally when I've run in an FCC I hear BM's complaining the most because it kills demon spark. I'd ask before putting it up tho, so you dont have to hear them whine and cry about how their sparks are cancelled or whatever they decide to go on about. Normally RB is only really used in two rooms in FCC anyway so I say its not a giant needed skill for the cleric but it is useful when killing heads. just my opinion on it tbh b:sweat b:bye

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · February 2011

Rafnatyr - Sanctuary wrote: »

If I knew how the skill actually worked I wouldn't have asked the question, Please Master Janus, please don't beat me anymore Master Janus.

abuse on the cleric forums b:chuckle

Decus - Dreamweaver · February 2011

Rafnatyr - Sanctuary wrote: »

If I knew how the skill actually worked I wouldn't have asked the question, Please Master Janus, please don't beat me anymore Master Janus.

I thought I was the one that beat children... b:sad

SkogDyr - Lost City · February 2011

If there is a sin or two in my FCC squad, I normally just tell them "sins on left RB on right" and everyone gets it. If for some reason the sins are done killing their side ans we aren't even half way through the HP of the mob, Ill drop RB and metal mage with extreme poison genie skills.
I don't think I've ever done a FCC without RB in the middle... but if the squad asked, I'd drop it for them.

I've found that RB is situational and depends on squad. If your squad isn't getting hit too hard and they have enough HP to survive... and there aren't any 3sparker APS'ers... I can RB without complaints.

BTW... a suggestion to my fellow clerics...

While in RB @ heads, if you have Phoenix Dance Earthquake, or Bramble Rage (I thnk that's the name of the skill), use it. I know some do use these skills... but I've been in squads where the others asked how I killed heads while in RB. Every little bit helps.

and one more BTW
I don't know about the rest of the cleric community but IMHO, a cleric who goes afk during RB or BB is asking for a squad wipe if something goes wrong.

Sthenith - Dreamweaver · February 2011

When on my sin, i don't mind a cleric RBing 'on one side" and oc at heads. Sometimes clerics will ask "RB here?" , and usually responses are "yes" or "ok".

Most will not have high aps anyways, and those that do can always say "please no RB".

And it really doesn't make that much of a diff between the "toughness" of that diabolic, once he "unfreezes" the RB goes down anyways and those that can just triple spark. He goes dow n fast enuf to consider him a wuss....

Simple solution : when NOT in sq with anyone above 99+, don't mind their QQing, ignore it and move on. In doubt, just ask. If they don't take the time to respond, it's their own dam fault.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · February 2011

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

Reason why people don`t like rb is because it basically kills the demon spark, case closed! b:bye

You don't need demon spark to RB the most tme to use RB is dueling in TT with a Veno.

Manostra - Harshlands · February 2011

SkogDyr - Lost City wrote: »

BTW... a suggestion to my fellow clerics...

While in RB @ heads, if you have Phoenix Dance Earthquake, or Bramble Rage (I thnk that's the name of the skill), use it. I know some do use these skills... but I've been in squads where the others asked how I killed heads while in RB. Every little bit helps.

Nice Ideas b:victory

Ive done maybe 10 or 12 FC runs ever in total, thats why im still not level 100. Where do you set up the RB, in the Middle of the x road where heads spawn i guess ? Killing them with genie while in Rb is a cool tip.

Cenire - Sanctuary · February 2011

Rb is useful at lower levels when many players don't even have 5 aps. But even I was considering not learning the skill because I still rarely use it.

Quinarella - Sanctuary · March 2011

There are times to use certain skills and times not to. If you are a good cleric and know your skills you will know when to do so. Example a Clerics Dimensional Seal has a de-buff that reduces the targets physical defense by 30% but a Barb also has Devour which Reduces enemy's physical defense by 50%. So if you use your Dimensional Seal while the Barb is using Devour you just cheated the squad out of 20%. The same goes for RB. Learn when to use it and when not to and if you don't know when that is try asking the squad. They will tell you what they want and you are there to support them.

Protection - Raging Tide · June 2011

Why should I RB at heads in FC?
I haven't played PWI since December of 2010.
if everyone is using bows with regular attack it takes no channeling time, am I right?

krisnda · June 2011

Closed for necro.

no one wants the RB

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