Sage?

"best" always refers to some specific goal... Sure if you look at dps only, ninja_dagger is right, but there is more in life then just dps. (you can reach 5 aps with genie though, but ofc not as efficient as demon spark) If you take an objective overall look at sage and demon for sins, you'll see they both have pros and cons and they are equally good. Take a look on sin page, you'll find tons of threads on this topic.

Some pros of sage:
-higher survivablity (sage spark + sage bp) making it easier to solo stuff.
-higher spike damage/dph, some prefer this for pvp, others think aps is better. Just personal I suppose.
-higher aoe damage, this is only at 99+ though so some would say it's minor since fcc is pretty much over after that.

Some pros of demon:
-easier to reach high aps, and aps is the base argument to enter squads nowadays.
-longer stuns.
-longer amp on subsea.

I'm sage, and the only downside I ever found is the ethernal "OMG, you're sage?! you're so dumb". I don't think it's better then demon though, it just suits me better

There are lots and lots of reasons to go demon.
If you dont ca$hshop then go demon. you'll get in more squads and make more $.

If you prefer to play your sin with skills go sage, if you can afford the skills(very expensive).

You can solo better with sage, but you can get in squads better (because of aps) with demon, regardless of if you don't hit nearly as hard with your TT80 daggers.

if you dont already have r8 go demon. if you do, and cant reach a decent aps with sage you probably still want to go demon.



after all that said. i love my sage sin.

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

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demon is favoured by those who can't really play their class...
not said there aren't demon sins who can play...

Just one problem. The only attack speed buff that you can use consistently is Wind Shield and it overrides the damage reduction from Sage Spark. And even then, you can only use it for like 2 minutes at a time.

The way I see it, is that Demon strengthens the Assassin's strong points, whereas Sage strengthens the Assassin's weak points. That is, Demon makes them even more specialized in damage dealing, whereas Sage tries to make them more balanced. Which one is better in the end depends on the gear of the player.

5aps sage is only with claws right?

Isn't 4aps daggers stronger than 5aps claws?

Lol yea wind shield. If you stat your genie right, it doesn't nerf the protection you get from sage spark

I m a lvl 100 sage sin 2.22 aps with sage dagger devotion, bloodpaint, rib strike, power dash n some other skills

i can solo FC bosses pretty easily without ticking charm a whole lot.

Most demon sins think that their aps wins against every odds but the thing that they dont understand is sage sins with rank 8 dagger even with low aps are equally good at pve and pvp aspect.

At bosses, i mostly 3 spark + sage power dash + normal attack with 2.22 aps and charm doesn't tick until the spark effect wears off. And i mostly hold aggro even from a high aps demon sin or 4 aps bm for that matter.
At pvp, i have never killed anyone using aps..sure aps makes life easier or what not but the skills that sins r provided with are much more than what most ppl imagine. We can combine so many of our skills to have the highest spike dmg possible.
For instance, i can pretty much 4 shot a 100 bm with 10k hp even being sage n all..
all in all, aps is one aspect while spike dmg is another.. learn to play ur class, combine different skills and see which combos make the highest spike dmg and try em out at pvp.

sage sins if played right are the best DPS and the best PVP class at end game. just gotta try out different skills and combos and figure out your own taste.

chanchale wrote: »

what lucretiax is trying to say is that u need high strength on your genie to get more reduction from wind shield which if done right, will be approx 25% dmg reduction with wind shield too.
am i right am i right tia?

1. Wind Shield uses Dexterity.
2.a. Wind Shield gets 1% more for 8 dex. With level 1 Wind Shield, this means you're looking at 152 dexterity.
2.b. If you upgrade Wind Shield to a higher level, you do get more damage reduction, but the energy cost makes it implausible to use consistently.
3. You need a pretty high magic to wind shield consistently. For example, a 100/100 pure Mag Zeal gets 135 seconds of Wind Shield.

So yeah, even bringing up the damage reduction is moot. If you're using Wind Shield, you should use it whenever you prioritize the DPS over the survivability. And even then, you should only use it once every two or three sparks, otherwise you will run out of energy.