Herced Glacial vs Herc

Well, the Herc does have slightly better Defenses, but what is really has over the walker is HP. According to the Pet Calc on Ecatomb the Herc would have 3.6K vs the Walker's 2.8K at 80. Herc does more damage over time, but the Walker would hit harder per hit. If you throw the HP buff the walker would have about the same HP/Defenses (with about a 1-2% favour for the Herc without blessing). I would assume it would suffice, but would take a fair bit longer as the DPS would be a bit lower (or a lot if you use blessing instead of reflect).

Pretty much HP/Defense buff puts the Walker just under the Herc. I would suppose it would come down to if you could get the skills ALOT cheaper on the Walker, and wouldn't mind being at a slight disadvantage over a Herc Veno.
IDK about nerfing the Herc more though, any more nerfing and the thing would probably be inferior to the free equivalent (or a REALLY expensive way of getting a tanking pet with the defense skills).

spend on a herc or not is your choise, with the inc of the mystic class, atm there are info about the class but not very solid. If you can farm for the pet skill scroll, its better to get those skill on herc to custome your owm pet so it can be 90% like herc or sell em and get the herc.

the Legendary pet have 2 thing that make it cost 150-200$:

1.OP stat (slightly if equal buff)
2. pet skill

R O T F L M A O
Nerfing herc/nix?

/ragequit.

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

If u get GW w

pdef/mdef/refect/bless(lvl 100) =

Hp= 4,5k but im not sure if u get 1k or 2k more hp o.0 w/o 3,5k <.< or get that scroll that, make mobs hit 50% less for x sec

pdef= 9772 w pdef buff = may be 21-22k

mdef= 7166 w magdef buff = 20k

patk 3901 - more then hercs >:D = keel faster
refect = make pet also hold better ago, and u wil not need agro skils, cuz it alredy have higer atk power XD

DIFF is GW w all her buff + bless = same **** Really good but not same
GW w/o bless get 1k lower hp- but def is pretty much the same ! herc still has more

well if scrolls are fki exepsive, don't get it-- it may wil cost more then herc! BUT if u can get bless + pdef,mdef,refect for less then 50m-60m. ITS WORTH it. 50x4 = 200-240 million , are u sure it's not the same ?


stop say things is waste, ALL WASTE MONEY OR TIME/life hrs . on pay2play games PWI is FREE to play ( but pay to win) stop messing things , keep this in mind !!!

At current gold price i dont encourage poeple getting hercs or nixes ( unless they can afford it , super rich or cash shop ) but i wouldnt encourage getting 4 legendary skills on a walker , each that would cost round 50 million , plain stupid , these money can go to other pets or even better gear.

also not having an aggro skill on a low aps pet like glacial , i find this a bit too risky.

If u want to get a rare skill on walker i would add either Blessing of the Pack or the Physical defence one , nothing more .

Phoenix_Eye

This tested! plz don't whrite before test ur self^^ ty
lawl if u wnat 2 know the true, see stats of lvl 100 gw and take mdef/pdef + 150% and hp 30% ^^

Also i have both herc+ nux on privat server, 2 realy see how much diff it is, on normal pets w same buffs stats are not so bigg diff, herc w/o buff have almot same def as gw^^ try solo ur tt w/o hercs buff

also im not on a CS server like u ! stop put ur server prices! harshland is not like that, on MY server its 60m for all those skills ^^
idk abour the others, but if urs is so exepsive, so stop QQ about it.
Cuz Prices are not the same on those diff servers....if u don't get that

Manakel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Maybe 1/3 the cost of a herc but also 1/3 a herc's capacities...

seems a fair trade-off, then, doesn't it?

especially when you consider that the rare skills can be bought one at a time, gaining incremental benefits and being usable in installments --- whereas a herc is all at once, 100% up-front expense before you get anything at all.

Don't hope to have a "herc 2.0" with any golem with any skills.

nobody sensible would. still, getting even a herc 0.5 for 1/2 of a real herc's cost is a heckuva lot more than never getting a herc at all. (i'm skeptical about getting the rare skills for less than 20-30mil on average, myself.)

Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »

Phoenix_Eye

This tested! plz don't whrite before test ur self^^ ty
lawl if u wnat 2 know the true, see stats of lvl 100 gw and take mdef/pdef + 150% and hp 30% ^^

Also i have both herc+ nux on privat server, 2 realy see how much diff it is, on normal pets w same buffs stats are not so bigg diff, herc w/o buff have almot same def as gw^^ try solo ur tt w/o hercs buff

also im not on a CS server like u ! stop put ur server prices! harshland is not like that, on MY server its 60m for all those skills ^^
idk abour the others, but if urs is so exepsive, so stop QQ about it.
Cuz Prices are not the same on those diff servers....if u don't get that

My eyes started burning out of my sockets. I thought Deora would be the only member to achieve that >_>.

Silest - Sanctuary wrote: »

My eyes started burning out of my sockets. I thought Deora would be the only member to achieve that >_>.

I agree on this one... if only the ignore list would let me add people... x.x

When alot ppl CS, the stuff will be more expesive, thats how pwi works.

I really boils down to:

herc > super charged golem > regular golem

The costs scale down accordingly and the money making potential scales with the pets as well. While there are things that a herc can't do, it can do a fair bit more than what a super charged golem can do. Yes, the raw pet stats at level 100 are fairly similar at 100 with the herc having major advantages in hp and slight advantages in defense. But, when you apply the buffs, the herc gets more benefit than the golem as the buffs are percentage based.

As far as costs go, buying the scrolls can be cheaper than flat out buying the herc, but there are a few other things to keep in mind when making the decision of herc vs super rock.

Advantages to getting the books:
- Overall cost is cheaper (even if you add the 800k coin overhead in levelling the skill from level 1 to level 5)
- Can be paced (get one skill at a time instead of needing all SoF at once)
- Don't have to level the pet once you "finish" (assuming you've been using him the whole time)

Advantages to getting the herc:
- Better raw stats and better benefits from buffs
- Maxed buffs right from level 1 (so if you're starting a new veno or even getting your pet below 80, huge benefits here)

Now with either option, you'll have to do plenty of AH and catshop stalking as well as grinding/earning coin, whether it's for SoF or for skill scrolls. The SoF and PF are certainly much more common, so finding them is never a challenge. The scrolls are much less common and as such, the price is determined by the one holding it (that is to say, there's no competition to keep the price in check). But over all, the scrolls are cheaper.

I'm very curious about how the introduction of mystics will change this market. If the mystics prove to be a fair alternative to venos and people do leave the veno class, I'd imagine the price for SoF/PF will go down. Also, there's the possibility that venos who were saving up for a herc/nix will ditch the class and sell the SoF/PF that they've already collected, adding more to the market. Plus, the GMs could introduce another pet pack sale to try to generate revenue if that channel starts to die out. This is all speculation, of course, but I'm interested in how it will play out.

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To the OP:

Since you said the intent is to solo TT, here's my assessment on how they perform there:

The most significant differences between a herc and a sup'd rock are hp and m.def. Now we can talk about getting bless scrolls, but if you're going to go that far, you may as well get a herc and put Bless on that as it will open up even more options for you. One of the big risks in TT solo'ing is that a boss's magic attacks and physical attacks are on different cycles. This leads to the possibility that the boss will land a physical attack and then a magical attack in quick succession. Now in my experience, this happens frequently enough to be an issue and it's very difficult to land a heal between the two attacks (be it a small window, channel time, network delay, w/e). So for this case, you definitely need to have enough of an hp buffer to take the two attacks as well as a good m.def to make sure that the magic attack doesn't just obliterate your pet. I can one-shot heal a Blessed herc's hp with -65% base channel and I've still seen my Bashed herc get down to about 300-400 hp more than a few times on some TT bosses. That said, I don't think that a golem can compare, so you'd be limiting yourself in that regard. Bosses that come to mind for this scenario are Wurlord and Deathflow.

HP also comes into play on bosses like Feng who have the hp debuff. Since you said you're planning on solo'ing, expect to be spending a long time. Long enough that Feng's debuff will cap out and it can be a struggle to keep even a herc alive.

Imho, to solo the bosses in TT for it to be considered at all profitable, you'd really need a herc. While a super rock opens more possibilites than a normal rock, it's still limited in that it's not a herc.

In reality, you get back proportionally to what you put in.

tweakz wrote: »

My Herc is Lv.102, and still comes close if not getting one shot by mobs I do often. Even if the GW came close in survival: it's speed and size is a huge deterrent.

I'm sure many of us have regrets. For me it was refining a TT99 weapon to +10 and imbuing with 2 Stone of Savants when I should have gone for the Beamhoof Slicer. Or, getting 2 trophy capes when I should have got Wings of the Cloudcharger. Putting those skills on a GW will lead to regret.

I always wondered why you did +10 that TT99 wep, and got 2 trophy capes. I thought you had been going for Beamhoof for ages.

I dunno who said pet skills are 50m each, they must be fed some line of bull, or w/e server they're on sucks for proper pricing. Strong and Protect are 10-15m each, and Claw is 10-25m. There you go, you have a herc-like pet now for 1/3 of the price. I wouldn't agree with putting it on a Glacial Walker though, even if it isn't a horrible idea.

I have the rare pet skill books and I would have already put it on a Seamonster Guardian (pure DD pet but I like the defenses and the scorpion's DD on the simulator wasn't impressive enough to me to justify the bad HP and defenses) if it weren't for the expansion being a few weeks away. I'm going to see what possible pets they have in store first before committing these scrolls to the guardian.

With the way APS players are in recent months in FF, rep sale and all, plus how significantly more refined simple -int weapons like the Hook and Thorn are, or more available Bracers of the Bloodmoon are, the herc is becoming more obsolete as a simple tank. The next best thing is go with a damage pet that can tank if need be.

LShattered - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I always wondered why you did +10 that TT99 wep, and got 2 trophy capes. I thought you had been going for Beamhoof for ages.

We were in the middle of the Nien event and competition was getting fierce for the top spots. I was making about 10m per day off the event alone and wanted more power fast. The mats for weapon of the sages didn't just cost a lot: they were very hard / time consuming to find. I also have a Wiz that could someday share the TT99 but not the Beamhoof, so it's not too bad of a regret.

One of the capes I won from Eden Success Mode. The other one I bought before I learned much of the WoCC. I actually have 3 trophy capes, but the Lunar one I don't consider a mistake and I may just refine it high rather than get a WoCC.