Are axes the best weapons for bm's ^^

Galliteya - Heavens Tear
Galliteya - Heavens Tear Posts: 68 Arc User
edited January 2011 in Blademaster
My bm is level 5 and I just recieved some hammers from the supply stash. If axes are the best weapon..why did it give me hammers heehee. I'm puting 3str2dex per level. I'd like to use some of those claw weapons but the ones that the blacksmith's sell are horrible lol. Thankies!! b:cuteb:laugh
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  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Axes are horrible PvE weapons.
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • taleon1
    taleon1 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    your stash box weapons are really not bad weapons at all to be using while leveling. claws at a low level even really till mid 80's are not going to do much for you. you will be too low on the hp side ( because of build to keep HA and lack of real refinement ) to be worth wild.
    hammers / axes are in the same line, think you get a little more stable dmg from the hammers then the axes ( or might be swapped around, really too lazy to look atm ) but overall not a bad weapon to use till you hit 30 and start a line. ( specificly 29 )
    most BMs will focus on one line till near 60 or so and then might start branching off to another, later around 80 add in another. You really lack enough SP to be looking at all lines. If you do try all lines, you normally just end up gimping yourself in terms of your skills, because you master none of them till late game.
    yes I am a BM, lol sorry posting on my caster account. lol
  • Galliteya - Heavens Tear
    Galliteya - Heavens Tear Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Then what weapons would you suggest? Swords? I heard swords were horrible as well. lol Guess I'll just use quest weapons until then. But 3str 2dex is what I'm doing for now heehee ^^.b:cute
  • Masterpachi - Heavens Tear
    Masterpachi - Heavens Tear Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    hammer spec ftw :P
  • terradragon
    terradragon Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Axes are horrible PvE weapons.

    Unless, like me, you like aoe grinding. :/
  • Galliteya - Heavens Tear
    Galliteya - Heavens Tear Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I was told that most axe blademaster's are needed in bh's and fc. I don't know lol. Sword bm's are not wanted in groups though is another thing I was told. Whats wrong with swords?
  • terradragon
    terradragon Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    problem with swords is they're way too single-combat oriented without much spike damage and lower aps than fists. best skill for them is their only aoe before demon mage bane, which is myriad sword stance (unless you say flash is better. haven't seen it, and don't have the money/spirit to sink into learning it).

    axes aren't needed in fb/bh til you get hf, and that's only followed by swapping to fists for rapid, curse-powered dps. first fb/bh you actually want to have axes is brimstone pit (89)

    rb, axes are the mandatory bm weapon though. O.o big groups of mobs are axe-bm's specialty.
  • Flamebear - Archosaur
    Flamebear - Archosaur Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    taleon1 wrote: »
    your stash box weapons are really not bad weapons at all to be using while leveling. claws at a low level even really till mid 80's are not going to do much for you. you will be too low on the hp side ( because of build to keep HA and lack of real refinement ) to be worth wild.
    hammers / axes are in the same line, think you get a little more stable dmg from the hammers then the axes ( or might be swapped around, really too lazy to look atm ) but overall not a bad weapon to use till you hit 30 and start a line. ( specificly 29 )
    most BMs will focus on one line till near 60 or so and then might start branching off to another, later around 80 add in another. You really lack enough SP to be looking at all lines. If you do try all lines, you normally just end up gimping yourself in terms of your skills, because you master none of them till late game.
    yes I am a BM, lol sorry posting on my caster account. lol

    Pretty much what he/she said. In till lvl 29 use the weapons the game gives you or can make your own weapons. At lvl 29 chose the weapons path u want to go.

    Wait till reach lvl 40 then start branching to another path because of bh which gives you the a lot of extra sp.

    If u don't pick fist as your first path you should still consider getting shadowless kick when its available as its a very usefull skill against mobs who use magic as their first attack.
  • WayOfTheFist - Dreamweaver
    WayOfTheFist - Dreamweaver Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    3 str / 2 dex per level is pretty much the multi path BM build and should allow you to equip all weapons (which I personally feel is what the BM is meant to do). I started my own BM on a fist main path and ditched every weapon the game threw at meb:chuckle. I eventually found it quite sucky at such an early point in the game. Sure i can spark faster than other weapon paths can, but honestly speaking I find that when I use a set of axes - the spike damage from those along with just a few skills will result in a faster kill than by using fists + same skills or fists + auto attack.

    I honestly see nothing wrong with carrying one weapon from each path and learning what you feel to be the best skills from each path, because as situation calls - each has their strong points. Axe path has more AoE's and Stuns than the others do - fists are capable of higher DPS than the others , and shadowless kick is nice for canceling magic attacks (bosses included). Sword path is generally considered to suck by most, but at least it has Myriad Sword stance which reduces the enemies attack strength, which is nice. The pole path has a nice set of squad support skills.

    Even though the latest end game hype is 3.33 / 4.0 fists - I'm certain it should be possible to perma spark on a sword as well, given it has -int on it putting it to 1.25, which is only a -.1 interval step from 1.43.

    (though i find it odd that base attack speed barehanded is 1.25, as is the attack rate of a magic sword - but a BM's blade is 1.11, and somehow when you put on a pair of fists/claws that theoretically should be slowing down your movement, you go faster o.0)
  • LyuFong - Sanctuary
    LyuFong - Sanctuary Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Galliteya - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I was told that most axe blademaster's are needed in bh's and fc. I don't know lol. Sword bm's are not wanted in groups though is another thing I was told. Whats wrong with swords?

    I'm a sword/axe bm and I never got complaints from my squads in fccs, bhs, rbs... in fact, I get lots of invites for those, probably will not get squads for nirvana runs, cause I'm not a cash shop hoe, so, count me out of this ZOMG5APS stuff, but I don't care, I'll do nirvana with my friends, cause we like playing for fun.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    LyuFong - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'm a sword/axe bm and I never got complaints from my squads in fccs, bhs, rbs... in fact, I get lots of invites for those, probably will not get squads for nirvana runs, cause I'm not a cash shop hoe, so, count me out of this ZOMG5APS stuff, but I don't care, I'll do nirvana with my friends, cause we like playing for fun.

    That's because your squads were being to nice. Trust me, they were dissapointed to see you b:thanks . The reason people like axes is because HF doubles your parties damage, essentially making it seem like 12 people are attacking for 6 seconds at a time, every 30 seconds. People like fists because they have the highest DoT. Swords DoT is very mediocre but they have nothing more to offer the squad. Also, if people are using fists they're generally a 3/2 build, meaning they are all damage with less survivability. If people are using any other weapon as their main you can assume they've been adding to vitality. So even if a fist user switches to axes/sword/pole you know he has statted for the most DD output. We are brought into squad to DD, axes and fists do those jobs much much better than swords/pole so when a sword bm shows up its basically for their buffs since their damage output is about the same as bringing another cleric.

    For low levels using axes is fine, especially since your quest reward weapons are some of the best gear you'll be able to get before you start getting Legendary/TT weapons. Also, swords slightly edge out everything else as the highest dot weapon before level 30. Once you get your self-heal and your first spark fists become the best weapon, even before -int because of the availability of chi. Before -int all weapons still do the same amount damage, but fists allow you to kill things faster without having to skill spam and waste mana, unlike axes.

    So quest weapons/2-3 star swords untill level 30 ish. Then I'd recommend fists for the chi building. Once you get cyclone heel to level 5+ fists really start working for you. Fists work great till endgame but always have a backup pair of axes for zhenning. At level 75+ you should get a good pair of axes (calamaties) for FCC runs.
    Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
  • LyuFong - Sanctuary
    LyuFong - Sanctuary Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's because your squads were being to nice. Trust me, they were dissapointed to see you b:thanks . The reason people like axes is because HF doubles your parties damage, essentially making it seem like 12 people are attacking for 6 seconds at a time, every 30 seconds. People like fists because they have the highest DoT. Swords DoT is very mediocre but they have nothing more to offer the squad. Also, if people are using fists they're generally a 3/2 build, meaning they are all damage with less survivability. If people are using any other weapon as their main you can assume they've been adding to vitality. So even if a fist user switches to axes/sword/pole you know he has statted for the most DD output. We are brought into squad to DD, axes and fists do those jobs much much better than swords/pole so when a sword bm shows up its basically for their buffs since their damage output is about the same as bringing another cleric.

    For low levels using axes is fine, especially since your quest reward weapons are some of the best gear you'll be able to get before you start getting Legendary/TT weapons. Also, swords slightly edge out everything else as the highest dot weapon before level 30. Once you get your self-heal and your first spark fists become the best weapon, even before -int because of the availability of chi. Before -int all weapons still do the same amount damage, but fists allow you to kill things faster without having to skill spam and waste mana, unlike axes.

    So quest weapons/2-3 star swords untill level 30 ish. Then I'd recommend fists for the chi building. Once you get cyclone heel to level 5+ fists really start working for you. Fists work great till endgame but always have a backup pair of axes for zhenning. At level 75+ you should get a good pair of axes (calamaties) for FCC runs.

    I know that fists are the best for endgame bms atm.

    You can say things like " they are being nice..." or "they are dissapointed to see my bm...". Fact is, I still get invited and even got some people that liked my bm in such a way that I made lots of friends in my fcc runs.

    But.. like I said, I'm not a cash shopper and I won't even be able to touch (and I wouldn't even want to get) 5 aps, hopefully there are still people out there like me that play this game for fun, not to increase their E-Peen.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Was partially teasing you, but also pointing out that as a squad member I want to do the best job as I can for my party. If that's DDing/aoeing/HFing then thats what I'll do. If I want to use swords for fun on my own time I can do that. But swords only on a BM is not contributing fully to your squad. Granted, I wouldn't exclude anyone from my squad based on gear/build, as long as they can still do their job. I might just groan a bit inside.

    And as expensive as 5.0 is, it's not cash shop required. I'm a couple mil away from 4.0 not cash shopping and have alot of the mats I need to get to 5.0 already. People use the excuse that only cash shoppers can get end game gear, just because its so difficult to achieve. End game gear shouldn't be easy to get, but its not impossible.
    Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    The answer is always multiweapon path. the fact is that you must meet your expected role in squad and ultimately your own fun.

    Either you want it or not, people "expect you" to AOE and use HF.

    In the rare cases in which sword skills are usefull or better suited for the situation. the squad do not expect you to use those skills (since most people dont even know the effects, neither expect you to have those skills anyways).


    Even the cases in which you saved the squad by using a non axes skill, they still think they could have done it without those skills or they simply dont notice what is happening.

    I've been squads with no good tanks. I use myriad to reduce damage on AOE, shadowless kick to cancell some of them. The problem is that this gives the wrong idea to tanks/clerics. They did not fail due to my help on defence but unfortunately they dont know it but then they wonder what is going on the next time they fail.
  • supertroyman1
    supertroyman1 Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    there is no (better) weapons for a bm its just what ur better at. most ppl will say axes only cuz they dont know how to use the other weapons
  • LyuFong - Sanctuary
    LyuFong - Sanctuary Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Was partially teasing you, but also pointing out that as a squad member I want to do the best job as I can for my party. If that's DDing/aoeing/HFing then thats what I'll do. If I want to use swords for fun on my own time I can do that. But swords only on a BM is not contributing fully to your squad. Granted, I wouldn't exclude anyone from my squad based on gear/build, as long as they can still do their job. I might just groan a bit inside.

    And as expensive as 5.0 is, it's not cash shop required. I'm a couple mil away from 4.0 not cash shopping and have alot of the mats I need to get to 5.0 already. People use the excuse that only cash shoppers can get end game gear, just because its so difficult to achieve. End game gear shouldn't be easy to get, but its not impossible.

    Yeah, i'm aware of that, but 5 aps is beyond my reach atm, maybe I can get it someday (I have my fist mastery at 10) . I'm planning to make my bm master all his skills paths, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to do it too soon.

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