Archer - Might as well have gone Sin?

rayvore
rayvore Posts: 0 Arc User
edited January 2011 in Archer
Now, please excuse my ignorance, because I honestly don't know much on the situation. However, I love the Archer class - it's loads of fun. But, I stopped playing for a while. Back then, fist archers were rarely seen, and now it seems like everybody ends up restatting to one at 80+ ish.

My question is, do Archers just end up being lesser BM's and Sins? What makes them unique compared to the others.

Again, I'm not trying to sound rude or anything, I'm just slightly discouraged about that. b:sad
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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    rayvore wrote: »
    Now, please excuse my ignorance, because I honestly don't know much on the situation. However, I love the Archer class - it's loads of fun. But, I stopped playing for a while. Back then, fist archers were rarely seen, and now it seems like everybody ends up restatting to one at 80+ ish.

    My question is, do Archers just end up being lesser BM's and Sins? What makes them unique compared to the others.

    Again, I'm not trying to sound rude or anything, I'm just slightly discouraged about that. b:sad

    For pve sure. That's why I have 315 str b:shutup
  • rayvore
    rayvore Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Devoted - Lost City wrote: »
    For pve sure. That's why I have 315 str b:shutup

    but, isn't it worse than what a Sin or BM could achieve?
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    rayvore wrote: »
    but, isn't it worse than what a Sin or BM could achieve?

    We has critz.

    And we are sexier.b:victory
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  • Das_Racher - Archosaur
    Das_Racher - Archosaur Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    PWE has anal sexxed all the classes, IMO, they're all screwed up. I mean really, why on earth would fists be a better choice for an archer than a bow, if the whole entire point of an Archer is bows\range?
    Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying fists aren't a better choice technically speaking. I'm just saying its stupid that they would make fists so that they are a better choice for an archer.
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  • threepointone
    threepointone Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Archers are infinately more sexier than Assassins.
  • X_Hidan_X - Dreamweaver
    X_Hidan_X - Dreamweaver Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    We has critz.

    And we are sexier.b:victory


    Although by sacrificing dex for str to wear fist/claw, sins have more crit than us, as well as more damage since they get power from dex. However, archers do have the fire damage buff, but this still doesn't compare.The advantage of being an archer is being able to use a bow and fists. I'm not quite sure how endgame damage would compare with all the classes. If an archer has claws they can have 5 aps unsparked, while a sin can only have 4, unless they also use claws and lose their main advantage of damage to claw archers. one main reason for aps is for pve farming, but in pvp such as TW a bow is very good from what i've heard, not because of just range but because of powers which the other classes don't have. So I would say yes there is reason to be an archer but more or less so depending on what you plan to use it for (tw, pvp, pve).
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  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    X_Hidan_X - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Although by sacrificing dex for str to wear fist/claw, sins have more crit than us, as well as more damage since they get power from dex. However, archers do have the fire damage buff, but this still doesn't compare.The advantage of being an archer is being able to use a bow and fists. I'm not quite sure how endgame damage would compare with all the classes. If an archer has claws they can have 5 aps unsparked, while a sin can only have 4, unless they also use claws and lose their main advantage of damage to claw archers. one main reason for aps is for pve farming, but in pvp such as TW a bow is very good from what i've heard, not because of just range but because of powers which the other classes don't have. So I would say yes there is reason to be an archer but more or less so depending on what you plan to use it for (tw, pvp, pve).

    ...

    We are sexier.b:cute

    But in all seriousness, Archers are absolutely loved in TW for their BoA and the Heaven Shatterer/Regenesis-Nirvana's nifty purge proc.
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  • Tearle - Dreamweaver
    Tearle - Dreamweaver Posts: 511 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ...

    We are sexier.b:cute

    But in all seriousness, Archers are absolutely loved in TW for their BoA and the Heaven Shatterer/Regenesis-Nirvana's nifty purge proc.



    >:( thats not what you said the other day ho.
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  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Tearle - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    >:( thats not what you said the other day ho.

    Gtfo my archer forums, spy.b:angry
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  • KageYingZi - Heavens Tear
    KageYingZi - Heavens Tear Posts: 823 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ...

    We are the sexiest.b:cute

    But in all seriousness, Archers are absolutely loved in TW for their BoA and the Heaven Shatterer/Regenesis-Nirvana's nifty purge proc.

    Fixed b:cute
  • Mrvate - Heavens Tear
    Mrvate - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Honestly main reason to be archer and not a sin is TW. Outside of that I can't think of one. Since equal geared sin to archer, sin will be chosen for most anything at end game pve.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Mrvate - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Honestly main reason to be archer and not a sin is TW. Outside of that I can't think of one. Since equal geared sin to archer, sin will be chosen for most anything at end game pve.

    I can think of quite a lot of contexts where an archer can do things a sin cannot.

    However, for something like Nirvana, or City of Abominations, where most of the archer skills are meaningless, nerfed, or irrelevant (including, especially, our range) you are essentially correct (but, even in Nirvana, your personality can outweigh your gear).
  • _Spot_ - Lost City
    _Spot_ - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Mrvate - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Honestly main reason to be archer and not a sin is TW. Outside of that I can't think of one. Since equal geared sin to archer, sin will be chosen for most anything at end game pve.

    Not on GV...b:bye
  • Neodaystar - Sanctuary
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    rayvore wrote: »
    Now, please excuse my ignorance, because I honestly don't know much on the situation. However, I love the Archer class - it's loads of fun. But, I stopped playing for a while. Back then, fist archers were rarely seen, and now it seems like everybody ends up restatting to one at 80+ ish.

    My question is, do Archers just end up being lesser BM's and Sins? What makes them unique compared to the others.

    Again, I'm not trying to sound rude or anything, I'm just slightly discouraged about that. b:sad

    For one thing that makes a 5 aps archer unique from a 5 aps bm and sin is that we deal partial magic damage even with our normal attacks with blazing arrow buff on. This also applies to fists/claws as well. We can kill and hold aggro even on physical immune bosses from average geared mage classes without the aid from buffs of other classes (i.e frost blade) or pots. Just try it on a physical immune mob in CoA, or find a friend and use the genie skill expel. Since there aren't many situations where you will come up against a physical damage immune target, this uniqueness isn't really that special or taken notice of atm. Unless they start adding those physical immune bosses in nirvana or new instances. The fire damage isn't much, but with a very highly refined fist/claws and with the high crits and attack speed - it's about equivalent to being a non 5aps non sparking DD with physical attack. You can still hold aggro against a mage your level as I have done (which I was very surprised at during one time in CoA against a lvl 101 wiz and veno), but probably not one with a 8+ weapon refinement.

    Archers are still the master class in range physical damage.
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    KageYingZi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Fixed b:cute

    Indeed you did, sir. Indeed you did.b:cute
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  • Anchali - Heavens Tear
    Anchali - Heavens Tear Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    archers are better because, we just are.
    archer is awesome.
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  • KAZMOENEEK - Heavens Tear
    KAZMOENEEK - Heavens Tear Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Archers look better they have more options,they don't need blood paint nor stealth to heal or hide like a puss...archers are the true killing machines of pwi ever and that's a fact.A skilled archer is equal to 3 sins.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I know at least 2 people that use assassins to farm but switch to archer to TW. I know an assassin currently rolling an archer for TW. All have R8 or better gear on assassin already. lol
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  • Sulvain - Dreamweaver
    Sulvain - Dreamweaver Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Two things I can think of that sins do not. Wings at level 1 :). Ranged and yes we look sexier ;).b:victory
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    For one thing that makes a 5 aps archer unique from a 5 aps bm and sin is that we deal partial magic damage even with our normal attacks with blazing arrow buff on. This also applies to fists/claws as well. We can kill and hold aggro even on physical immune bosses from average geared mage classes without the aid from buffs of other classes (i.e frost blade) or pots. Just try it on a physical immune mob in CoA, or find a friend and use the genie skill expel.

    I think this assumes that they also do not know how to play their own class for dps.

    Personally, with sage fire buff, I would need fists or claws hitting for an average of about 1378 weapon damage to equal a certain level 89 wizard.

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