5aps Nerf

NetLorD - Harshlands wrote: »

2 pieces of 99 set give +10 vit and 4 pieces give 0.05 int att

I thought this is just a rumour, can someone confirm with a source please.

NetLorD - Harshlands wrote: »

max aps on chinese server is still 5 aps the only thing that has been changed so far are the bonus on tt 99 sets . 2 pieces of 99 set give +10 vit and 4 pieces give 0.05 int att so in a way its been nerfed a litle bit b:bye gl hf

Look at the pictures posted in the post in the first link that the OP provided here: http://bbs.w2i.wanmei.com/viewthread...age%3D1&page=1

If the gray numbers "2011-1-9 13:58" in the upper right hand corner are in fact the date as I am thinking they are, then this post was very recent. (meaning that the post was made after the expansion was added) Now, this obviously doesn't say anything about when the pictures were taken.

If the pictures were taken after the expansion however....this TT99 set bonus nerf is fake. Look at her gear. From the icons (I assume they are the same across versions), I see nirvana claws (int -0.1), Lunar cape (int -0.05), tome (int -0.05), TT99 wrist (int -0.1), nirvana leggings (int -0.05), and only two pieces of TT99 (int -0.00?)
Thats only int -0.35, .05 short of the -.4 needed to get a base aps of 3.33 (and of course 5.0 aps w/ spark) that her stats show.

So, unless these pictures were taken long before the post was made (which is quite possible), then the TT99 set bonus has not been nerfed in the Chinese version, since she wouldn't be able to have those stats with that gear alone.

Please correct me if I missed a piece of -int gear that she is wearing.

A way to prove that the pictures were taken after the expansion would be to somehow recognize something in the pictures that was introduced with the expansion. I do not know so much about what was introduced though, so maybe someone else can find something that I didn't.

This thread aga- kudos OP, kudos.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

unless you hear word of it from a red avatar here, take things with a grain of salt. this aint china, dont expect us to play babel fish for you. not like this is some big drastic change anyways, itd be more like fixing a glitch. anyways who cares.

You were referring to rubberbanding, here?

b:question

Also that tt99 going fro 4 pieces is just bull....

Wtf ive spend, like many ppl, 80mil on the ornaments/writs/boots only for the int.... and like many more ppl will....

Its a moeny source for them they wont nerf it.......

Ao - Raging Tide wrote: »

I remember it was officially stated that it won't be nerfed but will become ineffective with time and future expansions, whatever that might mean... >.>

I read that too, and can't help but think "They're going to introduce 7 and 8 aps who will laugh at the 5"

Being serious though, it'll be rank10 gear with huge damage; damage-reduction armour (5 attacks, each doing, um, zero. Ha!) and more bosses with reflect.

It's already funny watching a 5aps trying to muscle me out of a grind spot.

And what happened to when we used to AoE in FBs? People getting stupid over this 5aps thing and wasting time with it.

Learn something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMnsajWOMd4

-That's even with weak DDs.

Grinding for DQrewards

tweakz wrote: »

It's already funny watching a 5aps trying to muscle me out of a grind spot.

And what happened to when we used to AoE in FBs? People getting stupid over this 5aps thing and wasting time with it.

Learn something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMnsajWOMd4

-That's even with weak DDs.

lol what thats people doing trophy mode, barb had 29.5k? hp used 250k hp charm?the BM WAS using fists on boss point?, is that CN or a private server? cleric has rank6 or tt100 wep...

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »

so how much profit/h did u have with that run?
how much profit/h do u make while grinding?
how much profit/h with ur super ultra awesome wizzie money making technique?

some numbers certainly wont hurt ur market

If I understand properly how trophy mode works, on a shared run they would each get roughly 1/8 of a (pink) winged trophy and 156 rep, in under 15 minutes. They would also have some other reward options and variations but a lot of them did not look so good to me. Profit, however, would depend on market conditions. If it was a bounty hunt, they would also get credit for that (this would let you count ~200k saved on wine costs in your profit). [Edit: but I do not know if the medals are can be traded or if they are bound, I also do not know if shared mode gives everyone a medal, and also trophy cloaks depend on the instance you get them from, for example lunar trophy mode would get you a lunar cloak.]

You would also get mold and book drop chances, and someone might even want to go back after and pick up a few dq items.

And I think tweakz's point was that most of that damage could not be done by 5aps (though 5aps would have helped in a few places). (@Mosz: you are criticizing the economics of choices made in a different market which we know nothing about, and @SQUISHKASS: this was without any genies).

But I imagine that if many people were doing these runs frequently that prices on those cloaks would fall...

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i am? if you are referring to wep ot sages /tt100 wep that is referring to tweaks saying "weak DDs" when barb has 29.5k hp, bm has lunar claw, cleric has powerful wep, its not really a weak squad.cant exactly tell DD weps..... under closer inspection pretty sure archer and veno are both using rank8 weps, which is a far cry from weak dd
if you are referring to something else, well i missed it.

When I: a veno could kill the bulk about as fast as whole squad: yes they're pretty weak by today's standards and when comparing build cost vs current 5aps. You look at weapon and ignore how pathetically slow they were killing. This isn't to say they sucked, but by today's standards at least on HT that this could have been done better. You don't see but rather ignore: atk level, channeling, matk, weapon refine/ imbue, and crit rate,

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote:

And I think tweakz's point was that most of that damage could not be done by 5aps (though 5aps would have helped in a few places).

^^ This, and some people don't seem to grasp that you can learn something from things that aren't exactly related to what they're doing. So it was a Trophy run, and Barb has great HP: it still shows a different style than the pull 1-1 slow **** we're seeing in recent squads doing BH, FB, Warsong, and grinding.

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i am?

Yes, you were, here:

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

barb ... used 250k hp charm?

Do you see how this criticism has an implicit dependency on the current economic state of the game? (The other statements about gear have analogous dependencies, yes, but this was the one I was thinking of, because its about a consumable.)

ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wait... That's an incorrect statement

Since when were 5 aps characters unable to aoe just like anyone else in a trophy mode run?

Sins can aoe
BMs can aoe
Archers can aoe
Barbs can aoe
^
All with 5 aps can wtfpwn bosses

Silly, silly eldersig...

You cannot aoe effectively with 5aps. Even blademasters have to switch weapons to do their awesome aoes.

Yes, a character with 5aps can still aoe, but that has nothing to do with the statement I made that you objected to, which was: "I think tweakz's point was that most of that damage could not be done by 5aps".

In other words: aoe damage is not 5aps damage.

ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So that video proved absolutely nothing.

Yes, I think it did. If nothing else, I currently believe it proved that you, personally, are unwilling to think analytically. You probably are not unable to think analytically, but you seem to want other people to do that kind of thinking for you.

This is going way off-topic So is there any proof of a TT99 bonus changes or just a link that doesn't work?